Step 1: Have THEM define what they believe "Pizzagate" is first. Asking someone if he/she believes in "pizzagate" is like asking someone if he/she believes in "science;" it's too broad of a topic and can be (and has been) corrupted by both sides, unintentionally and also with ill-intended purpose.
Step 2: If they define "pizzagate" as the NYTIMES or SNOPES does -- that it's a conspiracy theory the Clintons ran a sex-slave operation out of the back of a DC-based pizza joint -- then you calmly and clearly educate them that is a misappropriated belief assigned to an easy to remember hashtag. ADMIT that you do not believe that is true either.
Step 3: Re-define "pizzagate" as an investigation, not a fact. At this step, it's up to YOU to know the facts, separate out the fallacies and explain what you believe is real as part of the larger, wider investigation. I have found that asking them simple starter questions with Yes or No answers is best.
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For example: Do you believe pedophilia is real? Do you believe that children are abducted and sold into slavery (work and sex)? Do you know how many children go missing every year? Do you believe that there are organized circles of people involved in human trafficking? Could and have law enforcement and government agencies helped in some way to allow these crime syndicates to continue? [Here is where you insert all the established reported facts of lawmakers, Congressmen and women and famous people charged with underage/solicitation of minors for sex and/or trafficking: Silsby, Hastert, Foley, Epstein, Weiner, Shortey and Sandusky to name a few...]
Once you have laid the ground work of your beliefs and clearly isolated the FACTS from the fiction -- that in just 2016, the FBI reported that there were 465,000 reports of missing children in the United States alone, and that 1 in 6 are believed victims of child sex trafficking -- and that you believe high-ranking and public officials (including national and international governments) have played a serious role in allowing it, funding it and/or both -- you can have an intellectual, un-biased conversation about the issue.
I know the trolls will be the first to comment, and judge, and twist this into something it is not...Ignore them. Anyone who denies the answers to the questions stated above is either uneducated, ill-informed or paid to do so.
Good luck.
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RweSure ago
When did this sub stop believing in this?
People are still claiming there's a basement there and underground tunnels used for trafficking. Still claiming the liquor storage shelving are cages intended for children. Still claiming a video shows a child screaming within Comet. Still claiming many other businesses on that block are involved.
This is both a massive shifting of the goalposts and an acknowledgement of how weak the investigation has been.
Pizzagate involves the Podesta emails. It's dishonest to say otherwise. Pizzagaters beleieve there is evidence of pedophilia in them. The other stuff you mention has nothing to do with
@HugoWeaving, I would love to see if we can proper answer the question is Pizzagate real and I would like to have that debate with you.
HugoWeaving ago
While I am not here to "debate" -- as this is not the proper forum to do so -- I do respect your opinion, and while we may differ on approach or acceptance of certain pieces of evidence, I believe the intent is the same.
The trouble with your reply is this: You skipped Step 1: Define Pizzagate. Before we move further along in our discussion, I would first need to understand what it is YOU believe.
You claim:
Are those "people" you? Is that what you believe? That there is a basement at Comet Ping Pong with underground tunnels used to traffic children who had been locked in cages in a liquor store on a block of businesses also covering for the operation?
I am not judging, merely seeking clarification of YOUR views (not the entire sub).
"Pizzagate" is a hashtag. It is an all-encompassing header intended to cover everything related to [INSERT YOUR BELIEF HERE]. While it may have become popular in relation to the Podesta emails and alleged code words (which, for the record, I do believe are real), the actual CRIMINAL part of this whole investigation pre-dates Podesta and his emails.
"Pizzagate" is the new "Franklin Cover-Up." The notion that human trafficking, particularly of children, began with Wikileaks or somehow only came to light because of them is near-sighted and does a disservice to the decades of documented abuse already on record. Worse yet, since the only people to "define" what "pizzagate" is publicly are those in the media wishing to dismiss it, to ask someone if they think Pizzagate is real shows a lack of understanding of the facts.
It a semantic war of words intended to make all of us look foolish.
RweSure ago
I'm a complete pizzagate skeptic. Shall we make a thread to try to define this.
But at its core pizzagate starts with the claim that there is evidence in John Podesta's emails of pedophilia and child trafficking and Podesta is part of a pedophile ring involving Hillary Clinton, Podesta's brother and James Alefantis. A supporting claim is that Clinton is connected to Laura Silsby's arrest in Haiti and Clinton knew who she was before she was arrested. This claim is false.
Is this your full definition?