The Silsbygate episode of pizzagate was always one of the silliest ones to me because believing it seemed to rely on absolutely blind hatred of Hillary Clinton and a willful ignoring of the facts.
It's also the most serious episode, because it's the only connection to an actual crime.
There are now two major claims involving this. One is that Clinton knew Silsby for a long time and only looked out for her based on this personal involvement, rather that as part of her responsibilities as Secretary of State. Two is that Alefantis is somehow connected to Silsby.
I've also found a massive bit of evidence I haven't seen before that I'll discuss later.
Claim 1: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time
Here's the post that kicked it all off on Reddit. I think this guy was deliberately lying.
https://archive.is/CZP2F
Why do I think he must be lying. One is he points to a document that is not an email and claims it's an email. Secondly the document clearly talks about the Haitian Earthquake of 2010 and yet this guy claims it's from 2001.
From earlier tonight.
Literally the 3rd and 4th sentences of the Reddit Post that started this is completely false
Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Ms. Silsby. Wikileak emails dating back till at least 2001 have been found in her archives discussing Laura's NGO.
It absolutely false that Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Silsby.
It is absolutely false this document is an email.
It is absolutely false this document dates back to 2001.
Reddit's TheDonald fans couldn't have cared less if this was true, but it's mind boggingly that anyone else believed it. For one thing WIKILEAKS DOES NOT HAVE CLINTON'S EMAILS FROM 2001! For another thing, the document is about the Haitian Earthquake. WHICH TOOK PLACE IN 2010!
How did people miss this? Hillary's emails are from her time as secretary of state which began in 2009. And the her clintonemail.com account did not even exist in 2001. Look at the document, it clearly is talking about January 2010........The Urgent Need: The number of Haitian orphans is estimated to have increased by 300% as a result of the catastrophic earthquake this past week.
One reason that people missed this, is that Wikileaks has this wrong in their system and they have it wrong to this day. (The Millennial_Falcon summary evidence is also an absolute mess on Silsby.) Wikileaks identifies this as an email "emailid/3776"
Yet, when you look at the email 3776, you see it's not an email. How can you have an email with no sender and no recipient. Even if you write a draft, the from is filled out. And we know the date is completely wrong. My guess is Jan 1, 2001 is a default.
From:
To:
Date: 2001-01-01 03:00 AM
It was an attachment to an email and it was downloaded AFTER Silsby's group was arrested.
The email thread that has that attachment is from Cheryl Mills has the subject 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au Prince
From: Mills, Cheryl D MillsCD@state.gov
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:39 PM
To:
Subject: Fw: 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au
Prince
Attachments: nIcrhaitianorphanrescuemission.pdf
There's a couple of other things hugely important in that email thread. One is this whole thing is not coming from Clinton. It's coming from Consular Affairs in Haiti. Consular Affairs is part of the State Department's mission. It involves helping Americans arrested overseas.
Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad
One of the highest priorities of the Department of State and U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. The Department of State is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority in accordance with international law, domestic and foreign law.
The second hugely important thing to note is nobody at the State Department knows who these people are. They are identified at 10 AMCIT or American Citizens. The only way the guy found the attachment is by googling the name of the group arrested in Haiti. You can go to the State Department's website and see all the emails chronologically from this email and see Silsby and these other Baptists from Idaho were unknowns. In fact, there's no evidence whatsoever that Hillary Clinton or anyone else in Washington DC, had any idea at all about who Laura Silsby and this group of Baptists from Idaho were before they got arrested in Haiti and that includes Alefantis and MacComby.
Claim 2: You can connect Alefantis to Silsby.
See here for this claim. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2057950
Alefantis knows Max Maccoby.
Maccoby worked for Friends of the Orphans.
Friends of the Orphans raised money for Nuestro Pequenos Hermanos.
Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos runs an orphanage in Haiti.
Silsby got the kids from the Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos orphanage.
The problem with this is the AP tracked where Silsby got everyone of the 33 children (13 from Citron and 20 from Callabas) she was arrested with. None were orphans She basically convinced their parents she would give them a better life in the Dominican Republic.
A reporter's visit Saturday to the rubble-strewn Citron slum, where 13 of the children lived, led to their parents, all of whom said they turned their youngsters over to the missionary group voluntarily in hopes of getting them to safety.
Similar explanations were given by parents in the mountain town of Callabas, outside Port-au-Prince, who told the AP on Feb. 3 that desperation and blind faith led them to hand over 20 children to the Baptist group.
Waxdino commented
The theory here is that Silsby got away with 100 kids from Friend of the Orphans. She was caught with 33 kids she gathered up off the street, but her "lawyer" Jorge Puello claimed she got kids from an orphanage that crumbled in the earthquake and called for help. Perhaps the sex-trafficker posing as a lawyer for a child trafficker slipped up and wasn't supposed to divulge that info.** Perhaps he pulled it completely from his ass,** but, that would be a strange coincidence given that the director of that orphanage has ties to Alefantis and Brock.
Friends of the Orphans indeed had a building that collapsed (or was it demolished?), but they claimed no children were in it at the time. However they reported that 100 fewer children were in their care post-earthquake.
I think that's enough strange coincidences to warrant a real investigation. Friends of the Orphans was never even questioned after Puello asserted that they were involved with Silsby.
So Waxdino recognizes this is a theory and the Puello is completely known liar. Also in that thread, I have researched and laid out what facilities Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos had in Haiti in 2010. I got this info from the NPH annual reports for 2008 and 2009.
https://issuu.com/nphi/docs/nph-haiti-country-report-2008 https://www.nph.org/intranet/reports/docs/6/2009%20NPHI%20Annual%20Report.pdf
I always dismissed the Maccoby story based on two things. One is that "Friends of the Orphans" is the name of a US group and wouldn't be the name used in Haiti. Two is Puello is just a crazy known liar.
Looking into @waxdino's claim I found that NPH did have a building collapse
Friends of the Orphans indeed had a building that collapsed
However, it was not the orphanage. It was the offices.
Kay Pere Wasson (Father Wasson Center) located in Pétionville, Port Au Prince This five-story building, formerly St. Damien Hospital, is the administrative hub of NPFS
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Jem777 ago
@Are_we_Sure & @Rwesure
You are disinfo....but not just a typical shill. You are a paid insider or "blackhat". You know what that is. Where does your conscience go when defending the market if using children for sex trafficking. Where is your moral clarity?
For the Love of God....even NBC news has now reported Hillary Clinton covered up child sex trafficking in the US State Department.
You are either an attorney trying to influence a jury or have a guilty conscience about something regarding child sex trafficking. Time to come clean it go into hiding and lawyer up yourself.
Call Jorge Puello, maybe he will offer his services for legal defense as he did Laura Silsby while wanted in several other countries for child trafficking.
@Millennial_Falcon @DarkMath @ Dressage2 @Jangles @ BlackSmith21 @Commoner
RweSure ago
Why do you believe I am paid insider. I'm not.
Never worked in government at any level. Never been paid to come to voat.
of course they did not. Please find the original NBC report and find out what it says. Then find out the resolution.
This is fantasy on your part.
DarkMath ago
"Why do you believe I am paid insider."
Because you refuse to be reasonable when discussing these issues. There's actually a formal expectation in Law that people are "reasonable". Without reason the system breaks down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_person. When people refuse to reason there are legal consequences.
For example you refuse to answer simple questions that may make you look bad. You don't have that option.
Stop ignoring the following question and provide us an answer:
Why is Columbia Economics Professor Jeffrey Sachs wrong and you're right?
:-D
@Millennial_Falcon @Dressage2 @Jangles @BlackSmith21 @Commoner
RweSure ago
Because he's thinks he wants to dumb down actual ethics standards to make "schmoozing" look unethical which is a ludicrous idea and as a policy adviser to Bernie Sanders, he has partisan reasons and is not a disinterested observer. The success of the Clinton Foundation is that they wanted to take the Davos model, where people travel to Davos to look like a big macher and hobnob and schmooze and use it to do good in the world. If people want to donate money to charity because they think it will get them in the same room with Bono, well more power to them and we'll use their money to save the lives of AIDS patients. It's a simple attack their strength, political tactic.
and none of that has anything to do with being a paid insider as you yourself do it all the time.
Also I wonder if you are aware that Jeffrey Sachs has done his own work African development. That he essentially is a competitor to the Clinton Foundation for fundraising and prestige. Are you aware of his experimental program in Africa and the response of his critics? Do you think it would stand up to politically motivated scrutiny? I think Bill Gates's review of Sachs strengths and weaknesses are a good one. Ironically, one of the places Sachs failed is specifically an area that the Clinton Foundation has tried to work in, making sure farmers have access to markets.
DarkMath ago
"we'll use their money to save the lives of AIDS patients"
How do you know the money goes to the AIDS patients?
I already know your answer: "Because there was a Charity Audit.". But AreWeSure a charity audit is less rigorous than a Financial Audit which has to go to ground with all the money. A Charity Audit doesn't pierce the veil of a limited partnership. If you want to keep all the money people gave Bono to help AIDS patients for yourself just create a limited partnership to hide a theft. Call it "Bono's Limited Partnership for AIDS Relief." Then keep the money and try not to laugh when the charity auditor comes around.
And done. You now have stolen 98% of the money meant for
Haitian Earthquake victimsAIDS patients.AreWeSure the problem is you didn't know there are different types of audits. Well Columbia Economics Professor Jeffrey Sachs DOES know there are different types of audits. So does retired banker Charles Ortel and author Peter Schweitzer who wrote "Clinton Cash".
Do you see what's going on? At this point if you are a "Reasonable Person" you will concede this point. You will say "You know what I don't know if the money actually went to AIDS patients or Haitian Earthquake victims. I'm going to finally watch Clinton Cash to see if there is any other evidence."
But you won't do that AreWeSure because you aren't a "Reasonable Person" in the eyes of the law.
:-D
@Millennial_Falcon @Dressage2 @Jangles @BlackSmith21 @Commoner
Blacksmith21 ago
Don't forget that CharityNavigator.org, the preeminent site for rating non-profit orgs, "delisted" CF/CGI because "it didn't fit their model for assessing non-profits". Translated, CF/CGI was so bad, and they received heat not to report, they just disappeared CF/CGI right off their site.
There are so many ways to cook books. I wouldn't believe the time of day if a Clinton told it to me. Where is Eric Braverman again?
Are_we__sure ago
Blacksmith, all of what you say is wrong. They were not delisted because they were "so bad." Charity Navigator didn't rate them, because couldn't assess them due to a reorganization at the CF. At the time they said this
Charity Navigator does rate the CF and it gives the Clinton Foundation it's highest score: four stars, rating it a 93.91 of 100. It's gotten a 4 star review, two years in a row. As a point of comparison, the American Red Cross gets a 83.33 and City of Hope gets a 90.13. https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680
As pointed out above the this claim by you is completely false.
The Clinton Foundation changed its corporate makeup so Charity Navigator couldn't do an apples to apples comparison. They address this in their FAQ.
What do other charity overseers say? CharityWatch gives them an A, one below the highest grade of A+ https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478
Guidestar gives the Clinton Foundation a Platinum level award for transparency. Of 128,000 nonprofits only 1,000 achieved the Plantinum level.
Blacksmith21 ago
You have no, and forever more, invalidate anything you have to stay with more stupidity. Funny how The Chronicle of Philanthropy blatantly disagrees with you.
Charity Navigator Removes Clinton Foundation From Watch List https://www.philanthropy.com/article/Charity-Navigator-Removes/234700
Again, you are a liar and a shill. Go fuck yourself with a Sawzall.