The Silsbygate episode of pizzagate was always one of the silliest ones to me because believing it seemed to rely on absolutely blind hatred of Hillary Clinton and a willful ignoring of the facts.
It's also the most serious episode, because it's the only connection to an actual crime.
There are now two major claims involving this. One is that Clinton knew Silsby for a long time and only looked out for her based on this personal involvement, rather that as part of her responsibilities as Secretary of State. Two is that Alefantis is somehow connected to Silsby.
I've also found a massive bit of evidence I haven't seen before that I'll discuss later.
Claim 1: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time
Here's the post that kicked it all off on Reddit. I think this guy was deliberately lying.
https://archive.is/CZP2F
Why do I think he must be lying. One is he points to a document that is not an email and claims it's an email. Secondly the document clearly talks about the Haitian Earthquake of 2010 and yet this guy claims it's from 2001.
From earlier tonight.
Literally the 3rd and 4th sentences of the Reddit Post that started this is completely false
Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Ms. Silsby. Wikileak emails dating back till at least 2001 have been found in her archives discussing Laura's NGO.
It absolutely false that Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Silsby.
It is absolutely false this document is an email.
It is absolutely false this document dates back to 2001.
Reddit's TheDonald fans couldn't have cared less if this was true, but it's mind boggingly that anyone else believed it. For one thing WIKILEAKS DOES NOT HAVE CLINTON'S EMAILS FROM 2001! For another thing, the document is about the Haitian Earthquake. WHICH TOOK PLACE IN 2010!
How did people miss this? Hillary's emails are from her time as secretary of state which began in 2009. And the her clintonemail.com account did not even exist in 2001. Look at the document, it clearly is talking about January 2010........The Urgent Need: The number of Haitian orphans is estimated to have increased by 300% as a result of the catastrophic earthquake this past week.
One reason that people missed this, is that Wikileaks has this wrong in their system and they have it wrong to this day. (The Millennial_Falcon summary evidence is also an absolute mess on Silsby.) Wikileaks identifies this as an email "emailid/3776"
Yet, when you look at the email 3776, you see it's not an email. How can you have an email with no sender and no recipient. Even if you write a draft, the from is filled out. And we know the date is completely wrong. My guess is Jan 1, 2001 is a default.
From:
To:
Date: 2001-01-01 03:00 AM
It was an attachment to an email and it was downloaded AFTER Silsby's group was arrested.
The email thread that has that attachment is from Cheryl Mills has the subject 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au Prince
From: Mills, Cheryl D MillsCD@state.gov
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:39 PM
To:
Subject: Fw: 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au
Prince
Attachments: nIcrhaitianorphanrescuemission.pdf
There's a couple of other things hugely important in that email thread. One is this whole thing is not coming from Clinton. It's coming from Consular Affairs in Haiti. Consular Affairs is part of the State Department's mission. It involves helping Americans arrested overseas.
Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad
One of the highest priorities of the Department of State and U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. The Department of State is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority in accordance with international law, domestic and foreign law.
The second hugely important thing to note is nobody at the State Department knows who these people are. They are identified at 10 AMCIT or American Citizens. The only way the guy found the attachment is by googling the name of the group arrested in Haiti. You can go to the State Department's website and see all the emails chronologically from this email and see Silsby and these other Baptists from Idaho were unknowns. In fact, there's no evidence whatsoever that Hillary Clinton or anyone else in Washington DC, had any idea at all about who Laura Silsby and this group of Baptists from Idaho were before they got arrested in Haiti and that includes Alefantis and MacComby.
Claim 2: You can connect Alefantis to Silsby.
See here for this claim. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2057950
Alefantis knows Max Maccoby.
Maccoby worked for Friends of the Orphans.
Friends of the Orphans raised money for Nuestro Pequenos Hermanos.
Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos runs an orphanage in Haiti.
Silsby got the kids from the Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos orphanage.
The problem with this is the AP tracked where Silsby got everyone of the 33 children (13 from Citron and 20 from Callabas) she was arrested with. None were orphans She basically convinced their parents she would give them a better life in the Dominican Republic.
A reporter's visit Saturday to the rubble-strewn Citron slum, where 13 of the children lived, led to their parents, all of whom said they turned their youngsters over to the missionary group voluntarily in hopes of getting them to safety.
Similar explanations were given by parents in the mountain town of Callabas, outside Port-au-Prince, who told the AP on Feb. 3 that desperation and blind faith led them to hand over 20 children to the Baptist group.
Waxdino commented
The theory here is that Silsby got away with 100 kids from Friend of the Orphans. She was caught with 33 kids she gathered up off the street, but her "lawyer" Jorge Puello claimed she got kids from an orphanage that crumbled in the earthquake and called for help. Perhaps the sex-trafficker posing as a lawyer for a child trafficker slipped up and wasn't supposed to divulge that info.** Perhaps he pulled it completely from his ass,** but, that would be a strange coincidence given that the director of that orphanage has ties to Alefantis and Brock.
Friends of the Orphans indeed had a building that collapsed (or was it demolished?), but they claimed no children were in it at the time. However they reported that 100 fewer children were in their care post-earthquake.
I think that's enough strange coincidences to warrant a real investigation. Friends of the Orphans was never even questioned after Puello asserted that they were involved with Silsby.
So Waxdino recognizes this is a theory and the Puello is completely known liar. Also in that thread, I have researched and laid out what facilities Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos had in Haiti in 2010. I got this info from the NPH annual reports for 2008 and 2009.
https://issuu.com/nphi/docs/nph-haiti-country-report-2008 https://www.nph.org/intranet/reports/docs/6/2009%20NPHI%20Annual%20Report.pdf
I always dismissed the Maccoby story based on two things. One is that "Friends of the Orphans" is the name of a US group and wouldn't be the name used in Haiti. Two is Puello is just a crazy known liar.
Looking into @waxdino's claim I found that NPH did have a building collapse
Friends of the Orphans indeed had a building that collapsed
However, it was not the orphanage. It was the offices.
Kay Pere Wasson (Father Wasson Center) located in Pétionville, Port Au Prince This five-story building, formerly St. Damien Hospital, is the administrative hub of NPFS
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Jem777 ago
@Are_we_Sure & @Rwesure
You are disinfo....but not just a typical shill. You are a paid insider or "blackhat". You know what that is. Where does your conscience go when defending the market if using children for sex trafficking. Where is your moral clarity?
For the Love of God....even NBC news has now reported Hillary Clinton covered up child sex trafficking in the US State Department.
You are either an attorney trying to influence a jury or have a guilty conscience about something regarding child sex trafficking. Time to come clean it go into hiding and lawyer up yourself.
Call Jorge Puello, maybe he will offer his services for legal defense as he did Laura Silsby while wanted in several other countries for child trafficking.
@Millennial_Falcon @DarkMath @ Dressage2 @Jangles @ BlackSmith21 @Commoner
RweSure ago
Why do you believe I am paid insider. I'm not.
Never worked in government at any level. Never been paid to come to voat.
of course they did not. Please find the original NBC report and find out what it says. Then find out the resolution.
This is fantasy on your part.
Jem777 ago
II don't have fantasies regarding exposing child trafficking and organ harvesting....I have Nightnares because reality of all this evil breaks my heart. Turning a blind eye makes you complicit. You should evaluate your moral clarity.
You spend all your time actually fighting for Chikd trafficking to not be exposed.
You are on the wrong side history.
Are_we_sure ago
What exactly is being exposed here? What happens here that has any effect? If folks here want to drop their nonsense conspiracy theorizing and actually focus on helping children, they could have some sort of impact, but they don't. They simply won't do it. They want to stick their conspiracism because on its intrinsic to their constructed identities.
I'm not fighting the exposure of child trafficking, I'm fighting witch-hunting and irrationality. I'm fighting evidence free conclusions. I fighting the lunacy that sees every instance of pizza or a spiral as de facto evidence of pedophilia. Do you not see the madness that is upvoated on this site every single day? I'm fighting a complete lack of proportion, an inability to shades of gray and people who can understand jokes and metaphors. I trying to get people to understand that we now know a lot about the quirks of the human brains that often make us believe things that are not true.
There a dozens of logical fallacies we fall prone too. There's other cognitive glitches we fall prone to. Here's an example. It's called the availability heuristic. If you can easily think of an example, human beings vastly overestimate the possibility of that happening. Think of the obsession with tunnels on this site. People are always mapping tunnels. Tunnels under Comet Ping Pong, Tunnels by Clinton's headquarters. Why? Is there any actual evidence involving tunnels?
Human beings are simply far less rational than we think we are. You have actually train yourself to check your thinking on things. Let's say you had three wheels with three different events on each. If you spun each wheel, so that random combinations were formed, our brains could create a story where the first wheel caused the outcome of the third wheel. There would be no truth to it, but that's how our brains work. We love connections and stories. When someone is researching say Comet Pizza and then keep making connection after connection, I understand exactly what is going on there and why it feels important. It's because making patterns and connections is one of the ways we survived through the millennia, our brain actually releases dopamine when our brain makes connections. It actually gives up happy chemicals. (I also know what happens cognitively, when someone like me types up a post like this. )