exchange elites for "people in authority" and "people with power" and I think it would enable a wider net to be used to capture and discuss the subject.
When defending yourself it's best to refrain from any insults to a persons character - it diverts attention from your original points and usually devolves into a pissfight about who can type the longest.
There are a number of easily recognizable ways agencies can cause dissension and exhaustion in a forum they want to disappear, and unfortunately many of you contributions raise flags for this type of attack.
One way through this, and to resolve the issue overall, is to address the comment.
A common tactic in fake news is to present a sensational headline but not actually support it in the article itself. CNN and MSNBC are well known for this, and it creates an environment of hyper attention on sensational headlines, but there is no substance to the claims.
It's often possible for normal people to accidentally internalize this form of journalistic deception and to unknowingly repeat it in online forums, furthering the goals of "the man" to incite division and increase the difficulty people have in discovering real answers to difficult questions.
Something I want to see from you:
No matter how far you're pushed, don't respond with personal attacks. Keep the high ground and argue your points.
Attempt to see how there is a disconnect between the headline and the reported story and address that in your posts.
This will help me (and the other mods) see that you're not attempting a forum slide or discredit campaign.
An in context with the comments, Rule 1 does need a change.
Thank you for writing. I believe this crensch guy was abusive to me from the start and that my responses were both beyond warranted and very mild in comparison to what he said to me, including the threats and private messages with bigotry. I was abused my whole childhood and have spent my adult life fighting abusers. Every angle with which this crensch guy approached me was abusive -- he fits the domestic abuser profile to a T in terms of gas lighting, verbal and emotional abuse attempts. Its very creepy to me that this guy is in charge. I believe I have valuable and unique knowledge and experience to add to PG, but I will not tolerate abuse in order to both benefit from and share with others here. I'm disappointed not one person came to my defense here. Looking at the trending posts everyday, crensch's points make zero sense to me. His approach is one of the main reasons this forum will not be as successful as it could be, which results in less perps getting caught and less kids being saved. I am a highly educated person who fights for justice everyday of my life, and I deserve to be appreciated. And yes, respect goes both ways, and I believe my comment and submission history speaks for itself.
Thanks. This crensch guy just started some big campaign against me. Check out his post about me in the Mods subforum. This jerk is also threatening me and sending me bigoted private messages
This is a problem for many from what I am hearing. I don't know what the problem is about your post. I just sent a link to an article that shows the US soldiers are raping girls and filming to make CP. There are other articles as well that I have seen. This is IMO happening at many bases. The person that originally sent me a similar article link said that this is a well known fact in Columbia.
@Vindicator I hope that works....... Vindicator, you said I could repost this in PG after I'd posted it in PGWhatever, but of course MF deleted it, as I had feared... this is very frustrating. any advice?
Well, you could try reposting again to see if he leaves it up, and quote the PG definition mentioning the military and explain that compromised, blackmailable soldiers can easily be prevented from carrying out their duties or induced to cover up nefarious shit done by higher-ups they might be privy to.
MF weighed in below -- it seems he thinks only high-level military commanders who are busted or implicated satisfy Rule 1. I disagree with this but have no say over what he removes and he might remove it again. Perhaps we need an [O] to weigh in on it.
@VictorSteinerDavion, @Crensch, @kingkongwaswrong and also @Kevdude what are your thoughts? How restrictive should the "elite" part of the Pizzagate definition be? Users and mods seem to be having many disagreements about this lately. This is likely to get worse as more busts occur and more of the Clinton corruption is revealed. Can you chime in and give us a better understanding of the original intentions regarding scope of Rule 1 and definition of Pizzagate? This has come up regarding a number of posts removed recently and it is beginning to effect subverse morale. Frustration levels are getting pretty high.
I think @Crensch's miniature investigation 314 really hits the nail on the head: What is there to investigate here.
So far as relaxing rule 1 as @kevdude suggests, I think it's going to be difficult to word without a clarifying statement, such as "those directly connected to the elite or in positions of power".
tl;dr MF was right, and this user is a liar and thread-slider.
While I agree that these military men can be blackmailed, I also find their rank to be more along the lines of "local man molests kid behind Dominos" as @kevdude put it.
It's not only CP that can get a serviceman blackmailed, so in a way, the argument of them getting blackmailed into doing bad shit is a little off. Even the local man behind Dominos can get blackmailed, and who knows if he's in charge of a power plant, or communications somewhere?
What, exactly, does @3141592653 think will come of investigating these two?
When questioned by law enforcement agents, the defendant admitted to searching for and downloading child pornography.
That's one above, the next guy:
that he knew that other users were able to download images and videos from his computer, and that he was a “pedophile” and was sexually attracted to children.
The more I look into this, the more I see precisely no reason to take @3141592653 seriously, but I'm more than happy to listen to his reasoning about it.
Actually, I'm going to go ahead and say that this user is completely
Holy Shit, ANOTHER Huge Human Trafficking Bust Today in the U.S.- Small Texas Town Shocked by Mass Arrests in Child-Trafficking Sting Operation,
and
OMG There is A 2nd Documentary by The Filmmaker of "Conspiracy of Silence" about Another Huge Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy That Was Covered-Up **
utterly
Major Human Trafficking Bust in California AND California Deputy Attorney General Arrested For Child Porn On the SAME Day- July 27, 2017- No Connection Made by the Media or CA Deptartment of Justice,
full
R. Kelly Accused Of Running A Child SEX ABUSE CULT, Parents Report Their Children Held Captive, Subject to Mind-Control, and Sexually Abused by Known Child Pornographer R. Kelly
of
New Strong Evidence to Support that River Phoenix may Have been Murdered, Possibly for Exposing Elite Pedo Rings Tied to The Children of God Cult, which Promoted Childhood Sexual Abuse
shit.
Since my time is valuable, I'll explain the last link of this faggot's top-5 submissions:
3141592653 says:
To my surprise, I found an interview from famous director Peter Bogdanovich, who directed River Phoenix's last movie "A Thing Called Love." In the following article, Bogdanovich asserts with surprising certainly that he believes River Phoenix was murdered. Here is the link:
Really? From the article:
PB: He was a brilliant actor. A very talented actor and a sweet person. I think indecent play was at work his last day. Someone slipped him uncut cocaine or heroin. Something lethal. They decided not to pursue it. He didn't make that many films and so he didn't have a chance to live out his potential. Tony Curtis said, "It's impossible to calculate the level of envy in Hollywood." I think envy killed him.
That's what he said. Just that. 3141592653 goes on to say:
Possibly for Exposing Elite Pedo Rings Tied to The Children of God Cult, which Promoted Childhood Sexual Abuse
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
A cursory glance at his other "top 5" suggests the others are just as much slide threads as this. His top post? about a small texas town child-trafficking sting that was left up.
The first comment?
This isn't child trafficking. NO TRAFFICKERS WERE CAUGHT. ZERO. This is not HUGE. This is solicitation. A bunch of lonely losers with IQ deficiencies were swept up. No pimps jailed. No children rescued. No evidence of wider systemic abuse. The headlines are misleading. The police are doing these sting operations to make it appear as if they are doing something about the actual problem with pimps and traffickers. They are not. They won't be going after guys like Epstein or any high powered Hollywood players who actually exploit and traffick children. They are grabbing the dumbass low-hanging fruit. Because the agencies themselves are corrupt. So. WOOO! NOTHING OF CONSEQUENCE HAPPENED. Thanks.
Our 314 user here responds to the person making this comment, asking him to checkout http://archive.is/DeJ6D
"human trafficking bust" title - the article?
9 suspects were arrested for Online Solicitation of a Minor.
3 suspects for Prostitution,
18 for Prostitution Solicitation of a Person under the age of 18.
They rounded up NO TRAFFICKERS. They just pretend to be 18 year old girls online to attract men, then "tee hee, i'm actually not 18, is that ok?" - boom, headlines.
@3141592653 tell all your Shareblue faggot buddies that if they want to keep their usernames intact, they should probably not whine to the mods. You can consider your username burned.
You posted bullshit, and had the cods to push a mod to call me.
Congratulations, your username is now under the microscope, and I've removed some of your offending submissions. Give yourself a participation sticker.
This user only has character attacks to defend itself with. I recommend keeping a close eye on it for submissions that break the rules. It clearly has no intention of learning the rules, why it broke the rules, and seems to have no intention of following them.
I won't waste my time typing out the next ten problems with everything else you said
Because doing so would just embarrass you further, and you know it. You're incapable of defending yourself with anything but an emotional outrage that might work on rEddit.
@Millennial_Falcon, I asked the OP to crosspost this from v/pizzagatewhatever: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2025309/10020930. Are busts of pedos in the military not part of Pizzagate? If they are hooking our military guys into this, doesn't it put them in a compromised position where influence can be had over them? Isn't that a matter of national security? Military is directly named in the PG definition:
The name pizzagate is simply an easy to remember convenience, referring to what has been called "Pedocracy" which is the suspected, likely informal, association of elite individuals that use pedophilia to organize, manage and discipline their efforts to dominate or disproportionately influence outcomes in matters of interest. That includes government as well as politics -- executive, legislative, judicial, lobbying, military, intelligence -- as well as media, business, finance, law, medicine, accounting, technology, academia, think tanks, philanthropy, endowments, etc.
IMO, low-ranking servicemen/women per ses are not relevant, unless there is actual evidence they are being "hooked into" pedo stuff, as you put it, by high-ranking officers. Pizzagate is about elites protecting, engaging in, and profiting from child sex.
These guys get a few years in jail and supervised release, and the victims suffer horribly for the rest of their lives. Those pictures are spread all over the internet all over the world, day in and day out, 24 hours a day year after year. So sad and so unfair.
Yup, @carmencita. I'm like you, always thinking of the long-term effects of these crimes on the victims, their parents, their friends, and the people who miss the victims after they're gone, literally or figuratively. So damn sad.
I was just looking up the Missing Children of St. Louis and found an article about Sean Hornbeck, who was kidnapped and held for 4 yrs. and found. Found with another boy that was missing too. The interview was a few years later and he seemed ok, stilled lived with parents, is holding a job and is at peace he says. They of course do not delve into the personal, but I was thinking it all looks ok, but this young man lost 4 yrs of his life and God knows what he was put through. I am glad he is doing well, but he should never have had to go through what he did. I am sure there are times his mind goes back and all I can think of is that it never should have happened. No matter how things turned out.
There was a member that posted an article about raping of children at air force bases in Columbia. He says that is where it is happening. The article said they also filmed the horrible acts there as well. This could be a message.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
you and your damn fancy words - that's almost perfect
"networks of people with authority and power" is a much clearer statement which I think gives a better indicator of what's wanted by the rules.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
exchange elites for "people in authority" and "people with power" and I think it would enable a wider net to be used to capture and discuss the subject.
3141592653 ago
Thanks . This crensch guy is all of a sudden obsessed with me and in all-out attack mode
VictorSteinerDavion ago
When defending yourself it's best to refrain from any insults to a persons character - it diverts attention from your original points and usually devolves into a pissfight about who can type the longest.
There are a number of easily recognizable ways agencies can cause dissension and exhaustion in a forum they want to disappear, and unfortunately many of you contributions raise flags for this type of attack.
One way through this, and to resolve the issue overall, is to address the comment.
A common tactic in fake news is to present a sensational headline but not actually support it in the article itself. CNN and MSNBC are well known for this, and it creates an environment of hyper attention on sensational headlines, but there is no substance to the claims.
It's often possible for normal people to accidentally internalize this form of journalistic deception and to unknowingly repeat it in online forums, furthering the goals of "the man" to incite division and increase the difficulty people have in discovering real answers to difficult questions.
Something I want to see from you:
No matter how far you're pushed, don't respond with personal attacks. Keep the high ground and argue your points.
Attempt to see how there is a disconnect between the headline and the reported story and address that in your posts.
This will help me (and the other mods) see that you're not attempting a forum slide or discredit campaign.
An in context with the comments, Rule 1 does need a change.
3141592653 ago
Thank you for writing. I believe this crensch guy was abusive to me from the start and that my responses were both beyond warranted and very mild in comparison to what he said to me, including the threats and private messages with bigotry. I was abused my whole childhood and have spent my adult life fighting abusers. Every angle with which this crensch guy approached me was abusive -- he fits the domestic abuser profile to a T in terms of gas lighting, verbal and emotional abuse attempts. Its very creepy to me that this guy is in charge. I believe I have valuable and unique knowledge and experience to add to PG, but I will not tolerate abuse in order to both benefit from and share with others here. I'm disappointed not one person came to my defense here. Looking at the trending posts everyday, crensch's points make zero sense to me. His approach is one of the main reasons this forum will not be as successful as it could be, which results in less perps getting caught and less kids being saved. I am a highly educated person who fights for justice everyday of my life, and I deserve to be appreciated. And yes, respect goes both ways, and I believe my comment and submission history speaks for itself.
Thanks for writing
carmencita ago
This is not the same link I got from a voater but is the same story It is Beyond Disgusting. Tells how US Soldiers raped adolescent girls in Columbia and made CP from it ON the BASE. This is going on All Over at the Bases, imo. The voat member told me he also has seen other articles about this This Will Make You Angry. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3010496/US-troops-contractors-sexually-abused-54-age-Colombian-girls-assaults-pornography-never-face-charges-report-claims.html
3141592653 ago
Thanks. This crensch guy just started some big campaign against me. Check out his post about me in the Mods subforum. This jerk is also threatening me and sending me bigoted private messages
carmencita ago
This is a problem for many from what I am hearing. I don't know what the problem is about your post. I just sent a link to an article that shows the US soldiers are raping girls and filming to make CP. There are other articles as well that I have seen. This is IMO happening at many bases. The person that originally sent me a similar article link said that this is a well known fact in Columbia.
3141592653 ago
I see your comment now. THANK you
3141592653 ago
@Vindicator I hope that works....... Vindicator, you said I could repost this in PG after I'd posted it in PGWhatever, but of course MF deleted it, as I had feared... this is very frustrating. any advice?
Vindicator ago
Well, you could try reposting again to see if he leaves it up, and quote the PG definition mentioning the military and explain that compromised, blackmailable soldiers can easily be prevented from carrying out their duties or induced to cover up nefarious shit done by higher-ups they might be privy to.
MF weighed in below -- it seems he thinks only high-level military commanders who are busted or implicated satisfy Rule 1. I disagree with this but have no say over what he removes and he might remove it again. Perhaps we need an [O] to weigh in on it.
@VictorSteinerDavion, @Crensch, @kingkongwaswrong and also @Kevdude what are your thoughts? How restrictive should the "elite" part of the Pizzagate definition be? Users and mods seem to be having many disagreements about this lately. This is likely to get worse as more busts occur and more of the Clinton corruption is revealed. Can you chime in and give us a better understanding of the original intentions regarding scope of Rule 1 and definition of Pizzagate? This has come up regarding a number of posts removed recently and it is beginning to effect subverse morale. Frustration levels are getting pretty high.
heygeorge ago
I think @Crensch's miniature investigation 314 really hits the nail on the head: What is there to investigate here.
So far as relaxing rule 1 as @kevdude suggests, I think it's going to be difficult to word without a clarifying statement, such as "those directly connected to the elite or in positions of power".
Crensch ago
tl;dr MF was right, and this user is a liar and thread-slider.
While I agree that these military men can be blackmailed, I also find their rank to be more along the lines of "local man molests kid behind Dominos" as @kevdude put it.
It's not only CP that can get a serviceman blackmailed, so in a way, the argument of them getting blackmailed into doing bad shit is a little off. Even the local man behind Dominos can get blackmailed, and who knows if he's in charge of a power plant, or communications somewhere?
What, exactly, does @3141592653 think will come of investigating these two?
That's one above, the next guy:
The more I look into this, the more I see precisely no reason to take @3141592653 seriously, but I'm more than happy to listen to his reasoning about it.
Actually, I'm going to go ahead and say that this user is completely
and
utterly
full
of
shit.
Since my time is valuable, I'll explain the last link of this faggot's top-5 submissions:
3141592653 says:
Really? From the article:
That's what he said. Just that. 3141592653 goes on to say:
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
A cursory glance at his other "top 5" suggests the others are just as much slide threads as this. His top post? about a small texas town child-trafficking sting that was left up.
The first comment?
Our 314 user here responds to the person making this comment, asking him to checkout http://archive.is/DeJ6D
"human trafficking bust" title - the article?
They rounded up NO TRAFFICKERS. They just pretend to be 18 year old girls online to attract men, then "tee hee, i'm actually not 18, is that ok?" - boom, headlines.
@3141592653 tell all your Shareblue faggot buddies that if they want to keep their usernames intact, they should probably not whine to the mods. You can consider your username burned.
3141592653 ago
I must've really triggered you with something I posted. Your post here is full of so much bullshit
Crensch ago
You posted bullshit, and had the cods to push a mod to call me.
Congratulations, your username is now under the microscope, and I've removed some of your offending submissions. Give yourself a participation sticker.
3141592653 ago
I didn't ask the mods to call you. Ego. Its clearly all about your ego. NPD, perhaps
Crensch ago
@kevdude @vindicator @Millennial_Falcon
This user only has character attacks to defend itself with. I recommend keeping a close eye on it for submissions that break the rules. It clearly has no intention of learning the rules, why it broke the rules, and seems to have no intention of following them.
3141592653 ago
Lofl, you can't see anything beyond your ego
3141592653 ago
@vindicator @carmencita
3141592653 ago
I'm a liar? Shareblue? Its clear your ego is the #1 problem here. I won't waste my time typing out the next ten problems with everything else you said
Crensch ago
Because doing so would just embarrass you further, and you know it. You're incapable of defending yourself with anything but an emotional outrage that might work on rEddit.
3141592653 ago
Inferiority complex alert
Crensch ago
Keep at it, armchair Freud, attacking me wont' defend your rule-breaking submissions for you.
Crensch ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e1jG3paNqI
3141592653 ago
thanks Vindicator- You Rock
Vindicator ago
@Millennial_Falcon, I asked the OP to crosspost this from v/pizzagatewhatever: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2025309/10020930. Are busts of pedos in the military not part of Pizzagate? If they are hooking our military guys into this, doesn't it put them in a compromised position where influence can be had over them? Isn't that a matter of national security? Military is directly named in the PG definition:
Millennial_Falcon ago
IMO, low-ranking servicemen/women per ses are not relevant, unless there is actual evidence they are being "hooked into" pedo stuff, as you put it, by high-ranking officers. Pizzagate is about elites protecting, engaging in, and profiting from child sex.
carmencita ago
These guys get a few years in jail and supervised release, and the victims suffer horribly for the rest of their lives. Those pictures are spread all over the internet all over the world, day in and day out, 24 hours a day year after year. So sad and so unfair.
SecondAmendment ago
Yup, @carmencita. I'm like you, always thinking of the long-term effects of these crimes on the victims, their parents, their friends, and the people who miss the victims after they're gone, literally or figuratively. So damn sad.
carmencita ago
I was just looking up the Missing Children of St. Louis and found an article about Sean Hornbeck, who was kidnapped and held for 4 yrs. and found. Found with another boy that was missing too. The interview was a few years later and he seemed ok, stilled lived with parents, is holding a job and is at peace he says. They of course do not delve into the personal, but I was thinking it all looks ok, but this young man lost 4 yrs of his life and God knows what he was put through. I am glad he is doing well, but he should never have had to go through what he did. I am sure there are times his mind goes back and all I can think of is that it never should have happened. No matter how things turned out.
carmencita ago
There was a member that posted an article about raping of children at air force bases in Columbia. He says that is where it is happening. The article said they also filmed the horrible acts there as well. This could be a message.