This is related to pizzagate because stories about pedophile cases and cover-ups are breaking daily in the U.K. and U.S. around pedophelia, intelligence services, and politicians. Right as several people who were scheduled to testify against the Clinton Foundation were found murdered in the past few weeks Canada prime minister Justin Trudeau donated 241 million dillars to the Clinton Foundation. Most people are not aware that Canada is the property of the British Royal Crown and not a democracy. To understand this you must listen to Justin Trudeau swearing in as a servant of her Royal majesty.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SLQZsDMrQgI
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seekingpeace ago
"Most people are not aware that Canada is the property of the British Crown and not a democracy" ???????
I think you need to do some research on the Commonwealth before you try to "educate" people. Our passports clearly indicate we are subjects of her majesty, her head is on our currency but that doesn't mean we are the property of the British Crown and not democratic countries. Also, the British Monarchy is not the City of London.
Yes, it's interesting that the Trudeau government is donating money to the Clinton Foundation but without an understanding of Commonwealth history, you're heading in the wrong direction.
bopper ago
You guys can freely and easily emigrate from country to country correct? Like Canada to New Zealand, Scotland to Canada, etc. Is that correct?
LunaticLadder ago
Bopper what do you think about Trump admitting directed energy weapons were used on 9/11?
bopper ago
Gotta run. But whoever keeps saying this gives no source so somebody is messing around. Trump never said that.
ReptilianGland ago
Where are you running off to? All because of the mention of Directed Energy Weapons?
Have your paymasters told you to avoid this topic because of their connections to the Bush administration? Untereisting
bopper ago
Did we go to the moon?
logjam ago
What's your number one argument for the non moon landing.
bopper ago
I never said we didn't go : ) I don't know if I have one main one, but just the behavior of all the astronauts is quite telling. Esp the bizarre press conference. Having studied it a lot, I have to conclude, it was a hoax. Lots of reasons, fake photos, no dust on lunar module legs, no crater where it landed. When you really look at everything, it begins to look awfully far-fetched and silly. Between you and me, I think the moon is just a light, you can't even go there.
logjam ago
My common sense says that the moon is not just a light. Do you have a religious connection to this train of thought?
bopper ago
I fought that flat earth stuff tooth and nail until I finally gave in. Where do you want to start? Yes there is a religious component. If you take that red pill (the real structure of the cosmos), prepare to go through an emotional roller coaster. If you're a Star Wars etc. buff, you will likely not even look into it. You don't know how crazy I felt at first just entertaining such an idea. But once you go flat, you will never go back. You can start here if you want. It's one of the hottest topics on the internet right now.
https://youtu.be/3gtbJOQk8DA?t=89
logjam ago
Without looking at the link you provided, I can say I have spent a few hours watching different videos the past few years.
There are some great arguments for a flat earth. There hasn't been anything that I unable to let go of to some extent. I do believe NASA is pulling the wool over our eyes with all the pictures they provide us being composites. It's crossed my mind before that perhaps our earth is not round like we see a sphere, but more oval. Perhaps our planet is "ripe" and collapsing within itself somehow. Hence not wanting to show anyone. Perhaps the other planets around us will harbour life as we know it over the coming infinity.
The other planets i can see with my eyes look round - so I assume we are too.
bopper ago
These celestial bodies (planets) you are seeing are round in the sense that they are circular. Flat circular lights. The earth is the center of the heavens and the sun revolves around and above a stationary flat earth. Same w/ the moon. They "chase" each other. They work just like a clock. The earth is not a ball and it is not spinning. Having said all that this is not an easy journey to take but it is a life-changing one. There are thousands of people waking up to this truth. But you have to hang on for the ride and suspend disbelief. You won't regret it, as this is the biggest lie of them all. You sound like you could do it.
logjam ago
Let's say you are correct. The earth is flat. "They" didn't tell us. How is going to change the world we live in with this info?
bopper ago
It can't help but change everything. I timestamped this, listen to Eric Dubay explain it, for just a few minutes in from the timestamp.
https://youtu.be/3gtbJOQk8DA?t=256
logjam ago
I watched. I'm taking it in.
How about stars? Are they flat?
bopper ago
Stars are lights that look watery. If they were trillions of miles away telescopes could not zoom in on them. They're not burning balls of giant gases. The point is that God created the heavens and the earth, and the shape of the cosmos is revealed throughout the Bible. We live in an enclosed system, with a glass dome ceiling (the "firmament") and there are waters above held in. Yes I know it sounds insane. The Simpson's knew about this glass dome (that contains the sun, moon, and stars).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1hD8c--BKo
logjam ago
I think it's a mistake to take the bible too literally man. I'm not saying that what you say is insane, but the bible is a dot in the stream of time. An example of taking it literally, and having it fall apart is the order of creation in Genesis.
For me, being raised with the bible, I believe that (as we know it) it was put together by man - powerful men. Long before the days of conspiracy theories that book was used for control. In asserting control, they left many things out and included other things. Much on the way you conceive that the earth is flat - I beleive that the bible aswe know it has been used to decieve and control.
I respect that you believe it - but I don't believe it's pure.
bopper ago
I understand. But it's just one of many other ancient belief systems that knew the earth was flat and the sun and moon revolved above. Till modern pseudoscientists screwed us up. No need to take it all literally.
logjam ago
Whats responsible for quarter moons etc? Non full moons. It all seems pretty simple with a globe earth. It makes sense at least.
bopper ago
Most believe that quarter moons are self-generated, they're happening on their own. Notice an eclipse, the sun and moon fit neatly into one another.
logjam ago
You think they are the same size?
How about a hollow earth. Perhaps the PTB that gave you the bible want you looking up intentionally - instead of down.
bopper ago
Hollow earth is disinfo. Yes sun and moon are the same size. You have to see it visually. You should take some time and watch any Eric Dubay video, or I can suggest a good one, or there's a good one where he's interviewed by a doubtful host.
logjam ago
How about amateur astronomists? Is it a matter of them being in the dark of what they are actually seeing? I would think that there would be some overlap on discrepancies with orbits etc.
I could subscribe to the sun and moon being the same size.
bopper ago
All the ancients called the planets "wandering stars" because they don't stay in a fixed place. Astronomists do not really know what they are looking at is anything different than what they've been told to believe. To my knowledge though Saturn indeed does have a ring, but again, it is just a light, a different kind of "star." Mission control people were in the dark during the moon landings, they simply were following a flight trajectory on their computer screens just like they simulated in practice many times before. Astronauts cannot be in the dark. They are military and sworn under threat of court martial. I know a guy in NSA who's non-disclosure just ran out after 40 years, he's only just now talking to me about stuff he did in the '70s. Believe it or not, I have several connections to astronauts and how they get employed and some people who were in mission control back at that time. I know high-level people at NASA. I knew the commander of the second shuttle that exploded. I do NOT talk to them about these things.
logjam ago
How do you feel about this guy's statements with regards to the Great Pyramid? It's measurements being "locked in to the cardinal dimensions of our planet". The polar radius of our earth and the equatorial circumference of our earth, with reference to the axis we are supposedly on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U21uaEVINCY&feature=youtu.be
He does feel we are missing a chapter of the human story though.
bopper ago
Yeah fascinating. I believe we are missing a chapter also, and that the ancients knew much more than we will ever understand. I'm a solid flat earther now so of course I don't believe there is a wobbling on an axis. It is still and stationary. But the earth does have a circumference, it's just that it's a flat circle and not a ball. The early explores circumnavigated a flat circular earth and not a ball earth. Gravity is a silly theory. Things rise or fall simply due to density and buoyancy. Gravity can't hold in the oceans as the world spins madly and at the same time not pull birds flying above downwards etc.
logjam ago
The one point that flat earth theory that ever really had me think was that water always settles flat. With that said, I do have a commercial fisherman friend, and I'd like to find out from him what he thinks. I realize the horizon is always flat too. With that I have heard numerous times that long range snipers in the military take the curvature of the earth into consideration - and that makes me think too.
Sitting here I do know that gravity does indeed pull birds down - but they are able to counter that and fly in the wind.
The sole fact that many organizations use the flat earth map in their logo. That's something in itself.
Do you have any thoughts on global warming with your flat earth model?
bopper ago
Here in this Voat post below you can tell that Hillary is talking about flat earthers when she mentions "science deniers." She's not talking about climate change cause she says the particular topic she's talking about "will in ten minutes hit you right in the face." And flat earth is extremely hot right now. I don't believe in global warming, another hoax to get money and control the masses by fear.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1891769
Yeah, imagine water curving. Crazy. I have never heard anything about shooters adjusting for the curve. Pilots do not adjust. They'd have to adjust downwards every few minutes or so. They fly in a straight line. Imagine trying to land a plane on a ball that's spinning roughly the speed of sound and the planes coming in at 3-400 mph or so. Yeah, the flat earth map, that's a fascinating study. It's the correct one. Look at this weatherman trying to explain a "mirage" that we should not be seeing due to the curve of the earth. He looks quite foolish. You can skip some of the middle part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9BY0824BG0
logjam ago
What do you think the Antarctic fuss is all about? I do admit hearing about Kerry going down. The sole fact that we even hear about it is telling though. That shit can be kept under wraps.
I'm not saying you're wrong - but that doesn't make you right either. The points we share are great points to consider though. Do you not believe in satellites being up there?
I'm curious too. When Obama first started talking about "fake news", do you think he was referring to flat earthers or pizzagate?
bopper ago
I don't know for sure what they're doing down there, but it could very well have to do with flat earth. It is off limits for anyone to go explore there. Antarctica (you may know) is not a continent but a giant wall of ice that surrounds the circular flat earth and holds the oceans in. No, no satellites, there is no "outer space," there is an impenetrable dome. We live in an enclosed system. This fact is can be very depressing to some. Communications are ground and radio based. I've been "deep inside" NASA, it's not impressive. Obama may very well have been referring to both. Look at this clip. Why do they keep bringing up the topic of flat earth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilxhhrlHNSk
Longer clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZWTPTdZ6gY
logjam ago
It's funny. When I speak to some of PG, it's considered something to be impossible. Too many people would have to be in the know and it couldn't be contained. While I don't think it's a stretch to conceive of it being real at least to some extent, perhaps I think along their line of thought with flat earth.
Gross crimes are one thing, but flat earth is another. There would have to be too many people in on it. What is a satellite dish pointed at then? There is a signal that goes between them - there can be no question, can there? I have had satellite internet before when I used to live rurally. Also, I can rent a satellite phone when I go fishing in the deep woods, and it works. All employees and companies are just there to pull the wool over my eyes? It seems like too much of a stretch.
This doesn't invalidate your theories, but merely has me think there is more to it than the simple answer of "there are no satellites".
bopper ago
Things are compartmentalized, as with military and intel stuff, people are only involved on a "need to know" basis. The lower rung doesn't know what the higher is doing. As with the making of the atom bomb. (Manhattan Project.) Only a very few knew what was really going on. And when it comes to military they have signed non-disclosure agreements under severe penalty. I've seen an actual signed copy of a military guy x-ray technician who was part of the illicit Kennedy autopsy. You've reached a point where it's getting really crazy to you. I was at that point myself (what about satellites?) but I kept going, crazy as it sounded. So don't stop. Keep researching all the sites out there, there's thousands. And keep this in mind. "Eliminate everything that is impossible, and whatever is left, however improbable, is the truth." For example, we know (it's obvious and can be shown by using math and the way the sun's rays shine down), that the sun is no more than 4000 feet up, and no more than 40 miles wide. So if we can confirm this beyond a doubt, then whatever is left, the existence of satellites for example, has to be impossible, however improbable that seems. And then you continue on until you find the truth/answer that satisfies you.
logjam ago
I'd gather that the reports we hear of other planets that appear habitable to some extent are bullshit? More of an effort to convince us that the earth isn't as special as you personally feel it is?
bopper ago
Haha, that's exactly correct. To make you feel like you're an insignificant piece of finite dust in the vast infinite universe. That you mean nothing. That this beautiful planet means nothing. Therefore, why not give up on finding the true meaning of life and your purpose for being here. You said it perfectly. You are thinking correctly and critically.
logjam ago
I would agree with you that I am thinking critically. Correctly though - I really don't know. I have explored this in the past and have given it some thought before.
What's your take on stars and the milky way?
bopper ago
Thinking critically will get you to correctly! Stars are just lights, they look watery, they're probably, very likely, same distance as the sun. I would assume the galaxies are simply large clusters of stars. I happen to be at my PC lately, if I disappear and don't answer you just hit me up again later. The point is, all these heavenly bodies, are all encased in the same (probably glass-like) dome ceiling, like a Christmas snow bowl, the sun and moon revolving above the earth on a different trajectory than the stars (and probably planets). And there is no way out, there is no outer space. Crazy yes I know. It is a totally enclosed system.
logjam ago
It's been a good chat today.
I'll have to dwell on things a little more. I'm very wary of anyone who says they know "the truth" - about anything.
While I can see how the earth would be a special place in how you speak, I can also see the beauty of this world on an evolutionary scale of infinite all the way to this present day - however it got here and where ever it goes. There are lots of things in the bible - but there are many things that are not in there with that said.
How far up do you think we are enclosed that we are unable to get past? How about Neanderthals? Any thoughts on their existence? Please dont tell me you think the earth is only 6000 years old.
bopper ago
If the earth was created it may very well be only 6 or 7 thousand years old. I don't know, but I do believe in a creator. There are some things as far as truth goes, after researching, that you can know, at least know the major things, like 911 and the Kennedy assassination. We can't get past the sun, which is 4000 miles, some say less. Impenetrable ceiling. All echoes are caused by the noise bouncing off of something. When you hear rolling thunder, it is echoing off the domed ceiling. Likely. No I don't buy evolving from monkeys, when it comes to Neanderthals, we are taking the word of so-called experts. Now dinosaurs are still confusing to me but a lot of flat earthers do not believe they are/were real, another hoax. I don't know though. If we were created, and I say if, the Bible is as good a place to look as any other ancient documents, for various reasons.
logjam ago
I like to see my life on a scale and it helps keep things in perspective a little. I'll draw a line on a piece of paper and that line will start at the beginning of time (as we know it) and end at present day. Then i'll mark the Stone Age (2.5 million years) and then mark the Bronze Age. Along that line of time there are billions of little dots that represent a human life.
I am one little dot in the stream of time. In the future, someone will make a similar graph and I will be the same dot as someone who was here before me.
I really don't know what to believe, but I'm naturally inclined to believe in past lives. The same God that made this earth, would have also made me. This earth naturally has cycles that repeat themselves over and over. Perhaps we are made in that same way.
Perhaps not though too. But it's certainly a possibility. So is a flat earth.
bopper ago
All good thoughts, esp the first and second paragraph. Interesting stuff.
logjam ago
Along the lines of our convo, the bible and creation etc - do you believe the Devil exists literally?
bopper ago
Yeah me personally yes.
logjam ago
How come if you don't mind? So many people struggle with the true concept of God, that I find it interesting when people take the Devil be more real somehow. I had to take note during the Podesta leaks with mentions to Moloch. I still wrestle with that email as being literal.
bopper ago
Well I had a conversion experience which made me believe. It changed me. Most Christians today are phony and washed out but 100 or so years ago there were real and solid Christians and they believed in a literal devil. Satan, the "god of this world." The present broken and fallen evil world that we live in and see so much wickedness in.
logjam ago
I'd be interested to hear your experience and have you share your faith if you were willing.
bopper ago
I'm sorry I haven't replied. I could try :)
logjam ago
I'd really like to hear. I realize it's a personal thing for so many, but I Iike to search and like to hear experiences outside of my own.
thanks for the chat this weekend.
logjam ago
What are your perspectives with regards eclipses as we know them to be?