Who is really in control? Why Does the British Crown just donate 241 million dollars to Clinton Foundation through Canada? (pizzagate)

submitted ago by Jem777

This is related to pizzagate because stories about pedophile cases and cover-ups are breaking daily in the U.K. and U.S. around pedophelia, intelligence services, and politicians. Right as several people who were scheduled to testify against the Clinton Foundation were found murdered in the past few weeks Canada prime minister Justin Trudeau donated 241 million dillars to the Clinton Foundation. Most people are not aware that Canada is the property of the British Royal Crown and not a democracy. To understand this you must listen to Justin Trudeau swearing in as a servant of her Royal majesty.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SLQZsDMrQgI

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seekingpeace ago

"Most people are not aware that Canada is the property of the British Crown and not a democracy" ???????

I think you need to do some research on the Commonwealth before you try to "educate" people. Our passports clearly indicate we are subjects of her majesty, her head is on our currency but that doesn't mean we are the property of the British Crown and not democratic countries. Also, the British Monarchy is not the City of London.

Yes, it's interesting that the Trudeau government is donating money to the Clinton Foundation but without an understanding of Commonwealth history, you're heading in the wrong direction.

mrfarrrr ago

Did Joseph Goebbels popularize certain ideals to the mass culture? Does Steven Spielberg attempt to do the same thing?*** Is celebrity more special than actual truth in art?***

seekingpeace ago

Interesting philosophical questions! Have you seen the BBC documentary "The Century of the Self" on Edward Bernays? I think you'd enjoy it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_Self

AldoxxHuxley ago

Yes, know it.

bopper ago

You guys can freely and easily emigrate from country to country correct? Like Canada to New Zealand, Scotland to Canada, etc. Is that correct?

LunaticLadder ago

Bopper what do you think about Trump admitting directed energy weapons were used on 9/11?

bopper ago

Gotta run. But whoever keeps saying this gives no source so somebody is messing around. Trump never said that.

ReptilianGland ago

@blackmith21 Bopper's paymasters have said she can't discuss 9/11 directed energy weapons.

I think we should take a stand and tell the paymasters that Bopper can discuss whatever Bopper wants and at any time.

ReptilianGland ago

Where are you running off to? All because of the mention of Directed Energy Weapons?

Have your paymasters told you to avoid this topic because of their connections to the Bush administration? Untereisting

bopper ago

Did we go to the moon?

logjam ago

What's your number one argument for the non moon landing.

bopper ago

I never said we didn't go : ) I don't know if I have one main one, but just the behavior of all the astronauts is quite telling. Esp the bizarre press conference. Having studied it a lot, I have to conclude, it was a hoax. Lots of reasons, fake photos, no dust on lunar module legs, no crater where it landed. When you really look at everything, it begins to look awfully far-fetched and silly. Between you and me, I think the moon is just a light, you can't even go there.

logjam ago

My common sense says that the moon is not just a light. Do you have a religious connection to this train of thought?

bopper ago

I fought that flat earth stuff tooth and nail until I finally gave in. Where do you want to start? Yes there is a religious component. If you take that red pill (the real structure of the cosmos), prepare to go through an emotional roller coaster. If you're a Star Wars etc. buff, you will likely not even look into it. You don't know how crazy I felt at first just entertaining such an idea. But once you go flat, you will never go back. You can start here if you want. It's one of the hottest topics on the internet right now.

https://youtu.be/3gtbJOQk8DA?t=89

logjam ago

Without looking at the link you provided, I can say I have spent a few hours watching different videos the past few years.

There are some great arguments for a flat earth. There hasn't been anything that I unable to let go of to some extent. I do believe NASA is pulling the wool over our eyes with all the pictures they provide us being composites. It's crossed my mind before that perhaps our earth is not round like we see a sphere, but more oval. Perhaps our planet is "ripe" and collapsing within itself somehow. Hence not wanting to show anyone. Perhaps the other planets around us will harbour life as we know it over the coming infinity.

The other planets i can see with my eyes look round - so I assume we are too.

bopper ago

These celestial bodies (planets) you are seeing are round in the sense that they are circular. Flat circular lights. The earth is the center of the heavens and the sun revolves around and above a stationary flat earth. Same w/ the moon. They "chase" each other. They work just like a clock. The earth is not a ball and it is not spinning. Having said all that this is not an easy journey to take but it is a life-changing one. There are thousands of people waking up to this truth. But you have to hang on for the ride and suspend disbelief. You won't regret it, as this is the biggest lie of them all. You sound like you could do it.

logjam ago

Let's say you are correct. The earth is flat. "They" didn't tell us. How is going to change the world we live in with this info?

bopper ago

It can't help but change everything. I timestamped this, listen to Eric Dubay explain it, for just a few minutes in from the timestamp.

https://youtu.be/3gtbJOQk8DA?t=256

logjam ago

I watched. I'm taking it in.

How about stars? Are they flat?

bopper ago

Stars are lights that look watery. If they were trillions of miles away telescopes could not zoom in on them. They're not burning balls of giant gases. The point is that God created the heavens and the earth, and the shape of the cosmos is revealed throughout the Bible. We live in an enclosed system, with a glass dome ceiling (the "firmament") and there are waters above held in. Yes I know it sounds insane. The Simpson's knew about this glass dome (that contains the sun, moon, and stars).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1hD8c--BKo

logjam ago

I think it's a mistake to take the bible too literally man. I'm not saying that what you say is insane, but the bible is a dot in the stream of time. An example of taking it literally, and having it fall apart is the order of creation in Genesis.

For me, being raised with the bible, I believe that (as we know it) it was put together by man - powerful men. Long before the days of conspiracy theories that book was used for control. In asserting control, they left many things out and included other things. Much on the way you conceive that the earth is flat - I beleive that the bible aswe know it has been used to decieve and control.

I respect that you believe it - but I don't believe it's pure.

bopper ago

I understand. But it's just one of many other ancient belief systems that knew the earth was flat and the sun and moon revolved above. Till modern pseudoscientists screwed us up. No need to take it all literally.

logjam ago

Whats responsible for quarter moons etc? Non full moons. It all seems pretty simple with a globe earth. It makes sense at least.

bopper ago

Most believe that quarter moons are self-generated, they're happening on their own. Notice an eclipse, the sun and moon fit neatly into one another.

logjam ago

You think they are the same size?

How about a hollow earth. Perhaps the PTB that gave you the bible want you looking up intentionally - instead of down.

bopper ago

Hollow earth is disinfo. Yes sun and moon are the same size. You have to see it visually. You should take some time and watch any Eric Dubay video, or I can suggest a good one, or there's a good one where he's interviewed by a doubtful host.

logjam ago

How about amateur astronomists? Is it a matter of them being in the dark of what they are actually seeing? I would think that there would be some overlap on discrepancies with orbits etc.

I could subscribe to the sun and moon being the same size.

bopper ago

All the ancients called the planets "wandering stars" because they don't stay in a fixed place. Astronomists do not really know what they are looking at is anything different than what they've been told to believe. To my knowledge though Saturn indeed does have a ring, but again, it is just a light, a different kind of "star." Mission control people were in the dark during the moon landings, they simply were following a flight trajectory on their computer screens just like they simulated in practice many times before. Astronauts cannot be in the dark. They are military and sworn under threat of court martial. I know a guy in NSA who's non-disclosure just ran out after 40 years, he's only just now talking to me about stuff he did in the '70s. Believe it or not, I have several connections to astronauts and how they get employed and some people who were in mission control back at that time. I know high-level people at NASA. I knew the commander of the second shuttle that exploded. I do NOT talk to them about these things.

logjam ago

How do you feel about this guy's statements with regards to the Great Pyramid? It's measurements being "locked in to the cardinal dimensions of our planet". The polar radius of our earth and the equatorial circumference of our earth, with reference to the axis we are supposedly on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U21uaEVINCY&feature=youtu.be

He does feel we are missing a chapter of the human story though.

bopper ago

Yeah fascinating. I believe we are missing a chapter also, and that the ancients knew much more than we will ever understand. I'm a solid flat earther now so of course I don't believe there is a wobbling on an axis. It is still and stationary. But the earth does have a circumference, it's just that it's a flat circle and not a ball. The early explores circumnavigated a flat circular earth and not a ball earth. Gravity is a silly theory. Things rise or fall simply due to density and buoyancy. Gravity can't hold in the oceans as the world spins madly and at the same time not pull birds flying above downwards etc.

logjam ago

The one point that flat earth theory that ever really had me think was that water always settles flat. With that said, I do have a commercial fisherman friend, and I'd like to find out from him what he thinks. I realize the horizon is always flat too. With that I have heard numerous times that long range snipers in the military take the curvature of the earth into consideration - and that makes me think too.

Sitting here I do know that gravity does indeed pull birds down - but they are able to counter that and fly in the wind.

The sole fact that many organizations use the flat earth map in their logo. That's something in itself.

Do you have any thoughts on global warming with your flat earth model?

bopper ago

Here in this Voat post below you can tell that Hillary is talking about flat earthers when she mentions "science deniers." She's not talking about climate change cause she says the particular topic she's talking about "will in ten minutes hit you right in the face." And flat earth is extremely hot right now. I don't believe in global warming, another hoax to get money and control the masses by fear.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1891769

Yeah, imagine water curving. Crazy. I have never heard anything about shooters adjusting for the curve. Pilots do not adjust. They'd have to adjust downwards every few minutes or so. They fly in a straight line. Imagine trying to land a plane on a ball that's spinning roughly the speed of sound and the planes coming in at 3-400 mph or so. Yeah, the flat earth map, that's a fascinating study. It's the correct one. Look at this weatherman trying to explain a "mirage" that we should not be seeing due to the curve of the earth. He looks quite foolish. You can skip some of the middle part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9BY0824BG0

logjam ago

And I'm very certain, that with the gigapixel cameras that are out there, you should be able to take a pic of the horizon and put this all to rest pretty quickly. I would imagine a telescope, that's not pointed up, but rather straight ahead would put everything to rest too - no?

bopper ago

A lot of things are showing the earth is a flat plane, no curve. Like lasers for example. The main thing is, NASA's own curvature chart doesn't work. It's been debunked. You can see skyscrapers where you shouldn't, and lighthouses, and across bodies of water to other islands. There were tests done in the 1800's that debunked a globe earth. This argument has been going on for a long time but now we have technology that the layman can make use of in this high tech age.

logjam ago

What do you think the Antarctic fuss is all about? I do admit hearing about Kerry going down. The sole fact that we even hear about it is telling though. That shit can be kept under wraps.

I'm not saying you're wrong - but that doesn't make you right either. The points we share are great points to consider though. Do you not believe in satellites being up there?

I'm curious too. When Obama first started talking about "fake news", do you think he was referring to flat earthers or pizzagate?

bopper ago

I don't know for sure what they're doing down there, but it could very well have to do with flat earth. It is off limits for anyone to go explore there. Antarctica (you may know) is not a continent but a giant wall of ice that surrounds the circular flat earth and holds the oceans in. No, no satellites, there is no "outer space," there is an impenetrable dome. We live in an enclosed system. This fact is can be very depressing to some. Communications are ground and radio based. I've been "deep inside" NASA, it's not impressive. Obama may very well have been referring to both. Look at this clip. Why do they keep bringing up the topic of flat earth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilxhhrlHNSk

Longer clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZWTPTdZ6gY

logjam ago

It's funny. When I speak to some of PG, it's considered something to be impossible. Too many people would have to be in the know and it couldn't be contained. While I don't think it's a stretch to conceive of it being real at least to some extent, perhaps I think along their line of thought with flat earth.

Gross crimes are one thing, but flat earth is another. There would have to be too many people in on it. What is a satellite dish pointed at then? There is a signal that goes between them - there can be no question, can there? I have had satellite internet before when I used to live rurally. Also, I can rent a satellite phone when I go fishing in the deep woods, and it works. All employees and companies are just there to pull the wool over my eyes? It seems like too much of a stretch.

This doesn't invalidate your theories, but merely has me think there is more to it than the simple answer of "there are no satellites".

bopper ago

Things are compartmentalized, as with military and intel stuff, people are only involved on a "need to know" basis. The lower rung doesn't know what the higher is doing. As with the making of the atom bomb. (Manhattan Project.) Only a very few knew what was really going on. And when it comes to military they have signed non-disclosure agreements under severe penalty. I've seen an actual signed copy of a military guy x-ray technician who was part of the illicit Kennedy autopsy. You've reached a point where it's getting really crazy to you. I was at that point myself (what about satellites?) but I kept going, crazy as it sounded. So don't stop. Keep researching all the sites out there, there's thousands. And keep this in mind. "Eliminate everything that is impossible, and whatever is left, however improbable, is the truth." For example, we know (it's obvious and can be shown by using math and the way the sun's rays shine down), that the sun is no more than 4000 feet up, and no more than 40 miles wide. So if we can confirm this beyond a doubt, then whatever is left, the existence of satellites for example, has to be impossible, however improbable that seems. And then you continue on until you find the truth/answer that satisfies you.

logjam ago

I'd gather that the reports we hear of other planets that appear habitable to some extent are bullshit? More of an effort to convince us that the earth isn't as special as you personally feel it is?

bopper ago

Haha, that's exactly correct. To make you feel like you're an insignificant piece of finite dust in the vast infinite universe. That you mean nothing. That this beautiful planet means nothing. Therefore, why not give up on finding the true meaning of life and your purpose for being here. You said it perfectly. You are thinking correctly and critically.

logjam ago

I would agree with you that I am thinking critically. Correctly though - I really don't know. I have explored this in the past and have given it some thought before.

What's your take on stars and the milky way?

bopper ago

Thinking critically will get you to correctly! Stars are just lights, they look watery, they're probably, very likely, same distance as the sun. I would assume the galaxies are simply large clusters of stars. I happen to be at my PC lately, if I disappear and don't answer you just hit me up again later. The point is, all these heavenly bodies, are all encased in the same (probably glass-like) dome ceiling, like a Christmas snow bowl, the sun and moon revolving above the earth on a different trajectory than the stars (and probably planets). And there is no way out, there is no outer space. Crazy yes I know. It is a totally enclosed system.

logjam ago

It's been a good chat today.

I'll have to dwell on things a little more. I'm very wary of anyone who says they know "the truth" - about anything.

While I can see how the earth would be a special place in how you speak, I can also see the beauty of this world on an evolutionary scale of infinite all the way to this present day - however it got here and where ever it goes. There are lots of things in the bible - but there are many things that are not in there with that said.

How far up do you think we are enclosed that we are unable to get past? How about Neanderthals? Any thoughts on their existence? Please dont tell me you think the earth is only 6000 years old.

bopper ago

If the earth was created it may very well be only 6 or 7 thousand years old. I don't know, but I do believe in a creator. There are some things as far as truth goes, after researching, that you can know, at least know the major things, like 911 and the Kennedy assassination. We can't get past the sun, which is 4000 miles, some say less. Impenetrable ceiling. All echoes are caused by the noise bouncing off of something. When you hear rolling thunder, it is echoing off the domed ceiling. Likely. No I don't buy evolving from monkeys, when it comes to Neanderthals, we are taking the word of so-called experts. Now dinosaurs are still confusing to me but a lot of flat earthers do not believe they are/were real, another hoax. I don't know though. If we were created, and I say if, the Bible is as good a place to look as any other ancient documents, for various reasons.

logjam ago

I like to see my life on a scale and it helps keep things in perspective a little. I'll draw a line on a piece of paper and that line will start at the beginning of time (as we know it) and end at present day. Then i'll mark the Stone Age (2.5 million years) and then mark the Bronze Age. Along that line of time there are billions of little dots that represent a human life.

I am one little dot in the stream of time. In the future, someone will make a similar graph and I will be the same dot as someone who was here before me.

I really don't know what to believe, but I'm naturally inclined to believe in past lives. The same God that made this earth, would have also made me. This earth naturally has cycles that repeat themselves over and over. Perhaps we are made in that same way.

Perhaps not though too. But it's certainly a possibility. So is a flat earth.

bopper ago

All good thoughts, esp the first and second paragraph. Interesting stuff.

logjam ago

Along the lines of our convo, the bible and creation etc - do you believe the Devil exists literally?

bopper ago

Yeah me personally yes.

logjam ago

How come if you don't mind? So many people struggle with the true concept of God, that I find it interesting when people take the Devil be more real somehow. I had to take note during the Podesta leaks with mentions to Moloch. I still wrestle with that email as being literal.

bopper ago

Well I had a conversion experience which made me believe. It changed me. Most Christians today are phony and washed out but 100 or so years ago there were real and solid Christians and they believed in a literal devil. Satan, the "god of this world." The present broken and fallen evil world that we live in and see so much wickedness in.

logjam ago

I'd be interested to hear your experience and have you share your faith if you were willing.

bopper ago

I'm sorry I haven't replied. I could try :)

logjam ago

I'd really like to hear. I realize it's a personal thing for so many, but I Iike to search and like to hear experiences outside of my own.

thanks for the chat this weekend.

logjam ago

What are your perspectives with regards eclipses as we know them to be?

HumbleAlien ago

Hey Babe. Do the Bush Administration staff believe we went to the moon?

That would be a no.

Lookyluve ago

No I believe Australia is the hardest even being British

bopper ago

Thank-you, that sounds right.

seekingpeace ago

No, not these days but commonwealth citizens can easily get a work permit for the UK and other Commonwealth Countries if they are under 30.

bopper ago

I know a large family that just moved to NZealand from Canada, it was simple, not just a work permit. I have a daughter-in-law who has dual citizenship, Canada and NZealand. No marriage involved, but that does help. Has helped in other situations for us. SAfrica in the Commonwealth too? It's the Dutch there who are still mad at the Brits but what difference does it make now the whole place is going to hell.

seekingpeace ago

Yes, NZ is one of the easiest 5 eyes countries to emigrate to, based on their points system.

bopper ago

Thanks. I asked some more stuff but no worries.

Jem777 ago

Did you listen to your Prime Minister oath of servitude to her majesty swearing to keep all the Queen's secrets and be her royal servant. It is in his own words. The U.K. believes they are a democracy as well at least some do. They are ruled by a monarchy. The U.S. Got as far away as possible but if Americans ever found out how much tax money goes straight to the monarchy, then to the Vatican they would be shocked. Same in Canada but much more direct rule from the Queen.

Scablifter ago

The Queen has next to no political power, the government is the power in Britain. She does not rule anyone.

Votescam ago

The U.S. Got as far away as possible but if Americans ever found out how much tax money goes straight to the monarchy, then to the Vatican they would be shocked.

Can you elaborate on that information?

I think every American today recognizes that we've been ruled by an oligarchy, a small group of people - Elites - which is becoming clearer every day, of course. And Elites, of course, have always cooperated, including in funding common causes. If the answer is in the video, I'll catch up with it tomorrow.

Lookyluve ago

I was born in England and have lived in Canada for 50 years. I absolutely caught the swearing in and oath to Lizzie as does the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. I'm unable to post links but Lizzie gets a cut of all real estate sales in Canada. Jem777 you are absolutely right.

SoberSecondThought ago

This isn't helpful. First, the correct amount is $20 million, not $241 million. See the Toronto Sun story which corrected early reports. Second, the British monarchy does not get a percentage of real estate sales, even in Britain, much less in Canada. Third, the fact that Canadian officials swear an oath to the Crown does not mean that Queen Elizabeth "owns" Canada. You're ignoring two centuries of legal precedents and policy.

I agree that the British Royal Family are wealthy, that there are many disturbing stories circulating about high-level pedophilia in Britain (as well as similar stories about other European royal families). I also agree that the Clinton Foundation is massively corrupt, that it is involved in human trafficking, and that Justin Trudeau should not have donated government money to it. But it doesn't help the cause when Voat recycles stories that appear in mainstream publications and then distorts them, getting even basic details wrong.

Trudeau's decision to publicly support the Clintons is bad enough in itself to upset a "normie" publication like the Toronto Sun. This is an opportunity to engage with ordinary citizens and to make them see that something is not right here. Injecting a side theory about how Canadians are all slaves of the Queen, and that this is really all about the Rothschilds and the Jews and so on, just throws away that opportunity.

logjam ago

"Trudeau's decision to publicly support the Clintons is bad enough in itself "

It really does not surprise me one bit. Frank Giustra is Trudeau's mentor. I have watched some good material highliting this . Of course Frank Giustra is a big player in the CF. I'll bet he's connected the this transaction somehow..

Lookyluve ago

Also in relationship to the Jews Frances Kydd Diana's mother was a Rothschilds Diana's real father was James Goldsmith. Diana was a Jew which makes William a Jew. Kate Middleton's mother is a Goldsmith which makes Kate a Jew hence George and Charlotte Jews. It's all connected.

Lookyluve ago

It's ALL connected it's interwoven for a reason. I believe the $20 million amount was what Canada was donating to women's causes when Trump cut planned parenting funding and such. The $ 241 million was reported and without actually witnessing the cheque I do not know for sure however if you actually think Canada is sovereign then their work is done. I do appreciate your reply

seekingpeace ago

Do you even read what you write? I'm not a Canadian but Canada and my country are Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchies!

"[Americans] Tax money going straight to the monarchy." WTF You're going to need some evidence to support that.

Jem777 ago

Do you even realize Justin Trudeau is an MK mind control slave/victim. He was put in the program as a young boy as jos father and raised specifically to be placed as Prime Minister. The same for William who we pass over hi father and take over as king. Set up way in advance.

yewotm8 ago

That's certainly possible but it does not mean the Crown has any de facto control over Canada.

seekingpeace ago

So when I challenge you on your lack of knowledge regarding Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchies, you deflect and start talking about MK Ultra, which was a CIA operation.

Lookyluve ago

It's one of the same. Elections are illusions for the masses leaders are always selected far in advance