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Votescam ago

In looking at this thread: "pedophile rights movement" (PIE, PAL) and The Wonderland Club .... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1668187

I don't know if everyone would agree with me but as I look at it there are two separate issues ....

Other than by legal subterfuge, I see no way that the American public's opinion on pedophilia as something to be condemned and as a crime can be changed other than by legal subterfuge. The American public will not buy the idea that children can be sexually assaulted and that it would not be a crime. Nor will they buy the idea that children are capable of full and aware consent, especially such consent which would permit sexual activity between themselves and adults. However, legal subterfuge is something to be watched carefully, especially because of majority now of right wingers on the Supreme Court.

Quote -- This Australian 60 Minutes report on pedophile networks includes an interview with the founding member of PIE, Pedophile Information Exchange. He states that the reason that there is a problem is the guilt trip put on children by moralists that causes their problems and not the actual sex practices they have participated in. He believes children can give consent to participate, and that there are methods to evaluate that consent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihpnl72yHpUYouTube

The research into this shows that beginning in 1973 or so, a movement was formed to gain legal status for pedophiliacs. Coincidentally, this is around the time that Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on "Children Under the Law" -- which argued that laws of "minority status" for children should be abolished. See: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1666938>

I am not saying that both aren't serious issues, but that they are different issues ....

The other issue ....

Quote -- And then there was the "Wonderland Club" that was a network of people who exchanged child sex pictures and videos. To join the club you had to submit original pictures of children. It was not just pictures. It was videos. It was sounds. It was the sounds of children being raped. And the children became like STARS in the network. Some people would travel to take pictures with their favorite "stars." The Wonderland Club -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAgCQdvw94YouTube> And so, I am suggesting that many of the pizzagate pictures with children are actually trophies of admirers of the sex videos and pictures the "stars" are in. And as is said in the video, when they broke up the Wonderland Club, it just found another venue. It is called the Wonderland Club after Alice in Wonderland. Lewis Carroll fell in love with his 4-year old student, Alice. Now there is an "Alice Day" in which pedophiles wear pink. Some say it is April 25, some July 4. April 25 is the day Lewis Carroll met Alice. July 4 is the day he took Alice and her sisters on a canoe trip and told them stories that he later made into Alice In Wonderland.

I believe that to understand this whole investigation, one must understand the pedophile world and what they believe, and what they do.

From the above, if the Wonderland Club still exists somewhere on the internet, I presume that pedophiles can be found there. And perhaps some information about their activities which might give some new insights as to how organized pedophiles may be there, and what role the Wonderland Club may play in child pornography, or child trafficking.

Jem777 ago

You can't possibly believe what you are writing. Why in the world would you attempt over and over in your posts to blame right-wingers now mentioning the Supreme Court while championing "Democratic Socialism" This is not a political argument where you use child trafficking as a tool. There are no moral heroes in any political party or ideology. We will not look into PIE & the Wonderland Club to gain new insights as into how organized pedophiles may be there if they still exist as you say! We don't need insight, what other insight do you need. Take action. We need more @Wolftrail7272. Get on them and pressure them 24/7 and call your senators and Congressman and the President. I have over & over. There are others that have sent letters and others naming names. Yes it is dangerous but what are the options do we just let these kids and these heroes down?

@carmecita @jangles @dressage2

Votescam ago

Jem --

Why would I blame right wingers? Are you kidding me? Just who do you think the !% are? Who do you think Elites are? Who do you think corporations are? Who do you think the people who control government and our political parties are?

Who do you think our Founders put in control of our people's government? Who do you think our Founders redistributed the nation's wealth to other than the right wing?

Democratic socialism is a liberal concept -- don't confuse it with what Hitler did to Nazi party or with the fakery of Russian communism. Democratic socialism has nothing whatsoever to do with them.

You don't recognize that the balance of the Supreme Court is now in the hands of the right wing? Actually, even those appointed by Obama are right-wing in the sense that they are corporate shills.

And ... What in the heck does this mean?

This is not a political argument where you use child trafficking as a tool.>

Here's what I said about Wonderland Club ... based in the poster's idea that we should be finding out more about pedophiles and how they work ....

From the above, if the Wonderland Club still exists somewhere on the internet, I presume that pedophiles can be found there. And perhaps some information about their activities which might give some new insights as to how organized pedophiles may be there, and what role the Wonderland Club may play in child pornography, or child trafficking.>

And we do need "insight" into every issue that we are trying to understand and deal with and hope to overturn.

I've long been active in contacting Congress and media -- phones, email, snail mail, etal.