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Criticalthinker615 ago

Wow. I can't see how no one in local gov cant see a problem with allowing a DA to overturn old cases that they did not prosecute without a new trial

Are_we_sure ago

That's because District Attorneys are supposed to work on behalf of justice. Innocent people serving time for crimes they didn't commit is not justice.

Criticalthinker615 ago

he didn't prove that anyone was innocent. just waved his magic pen and charges disappear. that does not follow our ideals of 'checks and balances' democracy does it?

Are_we_sure ago

I wasn't speaking about any specific case. I speaking to the principle behind your question. Why can district attorney do this? Because in the US we are innocent until proven guilty. There have been many, many cases of genuine innocent people convicted and serving long sentences.

If a sentence is vacated or new evidence comes to light, a District Attorney can evaluate the case again. In the case of a vacated sentence, they have to decide if they want to have a new trial and if they have enough evidence to win that trial.

Let me turn your question around, if a person was convicted 15 years ago and we learn that case had official misconduct, like the police faked a confidential informant or the prosecution withheld evidence from the defense, would we want current officials to cover up for prior corrupt officials or act like they couldn't do anything.

You don't have "to prove anyone is innocent" to let them go. You have to prove they are guilty in order to take their freedom away.

EDIT: Now looking at the details of this case

Nearly two years after the state’s highest criminal court overturned the child sexual abuse convictions for day care owners Dan and Fran Keller.

So they had their trial. They were convicted and upon appeal that conviction was overturned. So to say they didn't have a trial is false. Once they were overturned they are again presumed innocent. And the reason the case was overturned was the medical evidence against them was false. The doctor now admits he got it wrong.

Michael Mouw, the doctor whose testimony helped convict the Kellers, said in an affidavit presented to court this year that he had little training at the time on how to examine sexual abuse in children and came to the wrong conclusions in examining a child in the Keller case.

"While my testimony was based on a good faith belief at that time, I now realize my conclusion is not scientifically or medically valid, and that I was mistaken," he said in the affidavit, which was obtained by Reuters

The question before this new District Attorney was whether or not to have the new trial. So she reviewed the trial transcripts in the light of this new evidence: that the physical evidence of sexual assault was FLAT-OUT FALSE. What the doctor observed was actually a common variation of they hymen. And during that review, she realized that not only could the state not win a new trial, there was likely no crime at the center of this. And in this situation, it met the standards for Legally Innocent, that is, they are not getting off on a technicality. The legal system has not reason to believe they are anything, but innocent.

Criticalthinker615 ago

wow. just wow...obviously someone has an ax to grind

VieBleu ago

They really jumped on this one didn't they - I find when the Satanic element is brought to the fore in a rational format, our lovely tax funded CIA agents feel the need to actually go to work.

So nice to know they are out there looking out for us, protecting rational discourse on our behalf.

Notice too that this post got buried out of the HOT section, where it should rightfully still be on at least the second page at this point in time.

Blacksmith21 ago

This has been happening a lot lately. I have one post that leveled out at 7 upvoats, but 40+ comments. It was a total shill attack. People need to start looking at NEW.

VieBleu ago

what was the post?

Maybe you should repost it like I did, pointing out the attack. Make a nice companion to my post.

Blacksmith21 ago

My favorite interaction:

" Blacksmith21 [S] 0 points (+1|-1) 2 days ago

Dude....give it up. It isn't working anymore. Go enjoy your weekend or whatever it is vermin like you do for fun.

permalink parent save edit delete reply report 

[–] DonKeyhote -2 points (+1|-3) 2 days ago

I WILL.

SCREW YOU GUYS

I'M GOING HOME

permalink parent save source reply report"

VieBleu ago

LOL PRICELESS

I love it.

I actually try to humanize them when possible, and try to remember they are just doing a (disgusting) job which they probably actually hate.

HorsieLvr lately has actually been making some amusing cracks.

Blacksmith21 ago

If I had to bet dollars against donuts, these are all 20-somethings (DonkeyHole admitted). They are getting paid just north of 15.00 per hour. Maybe 20.00. It's a 24/7 CrowdStrike operation. They have no idea who their boss is, but most of them are somewhere around the Beltway. There are a few from other locations.

The sad part is I'd bet all of them are carrying 100k+ worth of debt from some overhyped school and at the end of the day what are they doing for a meager living? Lying to people online. You can tell by DonkeyHole's reaction "SCREW YOU GUYS. I'M GOING HOME" - there is defeat in that tone. They know it's over.

Dressage2 ago

Did he own a car? Or take the bus. Hard to stretch $15

VieBleu ago

You get more interesting with every comment : ) - this is a fun line of discussion.

I think they actually also know a great deal of it is true. They see too much - they secretly root for some of us too.
I had a pretty good idea by her comments Vindicator went to a tony school - she sneered at me calling me a mean soroity girl or someting along those lines. Pretty telling.
WeCanHelp is so checked out she answered me under another mod name once, as Sensitive - I confused her by having simultaneous conversations with her under two names. then she said she couldn't believe how many conspiracy theorists were here! Can you imagine how out of it you have to be to be surprised that conspiracy theorists visit a conspiracy thread? Reminds me of the stuck up office chick on "Archer". http://watcharcheronline.com/

How these web developers go along with this is another story - amoral pricks. Think Silicon Valley tv show Satanist guy, Gilllfoil but not nearly as humanized or charming (sarcasm heavy).

Blacksmith21 ago

I guess I need to get caught up with my TV watching. Not. I've watched a few episodes of Archer. It's pretty funny.

The shills here are essentially the "foot soldiers" which get to run ammo out to the guys stuck in the trenches. Well, they are really the losers (the ones that had to sit at their own table at lunch) who get to shovel the shit of parade horses. They are "kids" for lack of a better term. I'd bet over 50% of them were molested themselves.

I doubt they secretly root for us. Look at the queaks in all of the JA/CPP IG pics. Those little skinny jean metrosexual pedofags are the same ones behind the keyboard trolling and shilling us. They are unrepentant. They are fighting for their survival and existence.

They got the brown end of the shit stick when the cards were handed out. Sure, they come from middle class backgrounds, got good grades, but they had to swing the big tuition bills on their own. And now they are in DC, where they are nothing but turd streaks on a commode on Capitol Hill. There are a zillion pointy shoe wearing pajama boys in this city. They have a crap job and are 100 grand or more in debt for student loans.

VieBleu ago

yeah I might have been a little optimistic with the secret rooting thing. ha ha.

Silicon Valley may be worth looking at an episode or two online - it lampoons the overpaid kids running the world so to speak or at least the tech world on the opposite coast. I have seen traces and references to it show up here - these are preening twits and rich nerds who have the overconfidence of youth and not much to put it in check except their own social media and business blow ups which is like life or death to them. I'd guess that Puttitout operates from there, but it is just a guess. The Gillfoil Satanist guy would be their hero. How many practicing Satanists are depicted positively on national tv? Of course, the one that happens to be from techy SV.

Blacksmith21 ago

It was actually two which made me think I was getting some form of "shadowbanning". You look at these and tell me if you think this level of activity, not to mention subject matter warrants making it to HOT. I'm debating making a post calling this BS out. It seems to be happening as of the last week. Or is this a case of me thinking I am more interesting than I actually am?

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1954275

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1956322

VieBleu ago

I think your posts are fine, and I posted a permalink here on your comment about how your post is suspiciuosly wiped from HOT.

i liked the article's discussion of his social media profile being tampered with and disappearing. Is family involved or not? Wish we had a statement. As for his nickname - he appears to have been called Panda, maybe a childhood name? don't know.

No it's the other way around - you are more interesting than you think. I laughed at your salty name calling at the end of post #2.

Blacksmith21 ago

That's not how an American English speaker would write the dedication on a plaque if the deceased's nickname was "Panda". There would have been an "our beloved Panda" or "aka Panda". This was referring to another entity known as "Panda".

Coincidence? Yeah right, what are the odds? [sarcasm intended]

VieBleu ago

I need to look at it all more closely - not up on Mr. Rich's murder lately. You were def shilled hard on that thread.

Check out my EDIT in bold to this post - taunting the backfire. : )