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privatepizza ago

I would also like to ask you about The Book of The Law, passage 11, quoted below. Do you think that some Thelemites and OTO initiates also take literally these words of Crowley's / Aiwiss's ? "Trample down the Heathen; be upon them, o warrior, I will give you of their flesh to eat!"

11 - This shall be your only proof. I forbid argument. Conquer! That is enough. I will make easy to you the abstruction from the ill-ordered house in the Victorious City. Thou shalt thyself convey it with worship, o prophet, though thou likest it not. Thou shalt have danger & trouble.

Ra-Hoor-Khu is with thee. Worship me with fire & blood; worship me with swords & with spears. Let the woman be girt with a sword before me: let blood flow to my name. Trample down the Heathen; be upon them, o warrior, I will give you of their flesh to eat!

redstickbigdick ago

A lot of people like to look at Crowley's ridings and show how much of a monster he was with some of his Illusions. Not a lot of people actually look at the book of the law. It seems strange because the book of the law has verbage in it that is definitely a lot more in contrast to Modern values then the relatively liberal Crowley does. He complained throughout his life that the book of the law was very difficult to stomach. I don't find it that difficult.

privatepizza ago

I would disagree and say that a lot of people do look at The Book of The Law. This is apparent by researching those who make Cakes of Light with blood. To generalize about every Thelemic and OTO follower and their practices may not be very helpful here as chapters and practices vary.

I find The Book of The Law difficult to stomach due to the Cake of Light sacrament and above excerpt re 'flesh to eat' although it's a very easy 5 minute read. For those interested - http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/engccxx.htm

redstickbigdick ago

Let me reiterate here that my edge is as an insider and as one I can say that I have never heard of anyone serving Cakes with fresh blood in them. You read too quickly. "This burn, of this make cakes and eat unto me." Is possibly universally interpreted as meaning that you make a cake from the batter, bloody it (semen, menses, whatever), burn it to ash, and put that ash in the remaining batter. Any "blood" would have been denatured by the burning...

You will not find a recipe online that gives alternate instructions.

privatepizza ago

While I appreciate that you're an 'insider', I think you'll agree that you can't possibly have experience of what all the OTO and Thelemites in the world are doing.

From the research I've done, as an 'outsider', I've found numerous discussions among the OTO community about whether cakes of light should be made as cakes or burned to ash. So it seems you are wrong here. Just go and take a look at the divisions in 'your' community over this. It seems strange that you haven't heard of these 2 interpretations of the sacrament.

Here is one Thelemite / OTO initiate's quote -

"If it has been burned to ash, then it's a worthless substance and might as well not have been included. This ingredient needs to go in as a live substance and maintain its pranic vitality. The recipe drops to the level of mindless superstition if you kill it first."

http://www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6678 & https://archive.fo/vEEoS

Quoting you from above --

"You will not find a recipe online that gives alternate instructions."

Again, you are wrong. Here are three contemporary recipes for Cakes of Light which are online at Thelemic and Hermetic community forums, both made with blood and made as cakes (not burned to ash).


Cake of Light Recipe with "the blood of your choice"

First you will want to make the cakes as follows: 1c cornmeal, 1-2tblspn honey, 1-2tblspn olive oil, 7-10 drops Abramelin, & 1-2tblspn wine leavings. Flatten out the mixture & smooth it down with the blood of your choice & allow it to swell with the force. Cut cakes & Bake for 6-10 min at 360.

From Temple of Thelema Website http://www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2137 & https://archive.fo/3YlHi


Thelemic 'Cake of Light' recipe the cakes are also made with 'ingredient x'

"Ingredient X can be harvested, mixed with some honey and then frozen until such a time as you are ready to make your cakes of light."

https://hermetic.com/egc/aisha-cakes & http://archive.is/bN2QP


At The Temple of Thelema website we also find a discussion on how best to make Cakes of Light -

Forum - http://www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6678 & http://archive.is/vEEoS


So... wrong x 2. Also, I ask you again, where do Thelemites and OTO initiates get their "fresh blood of a child" from? Their children? By injection? I quote the exact teachings from The Book of The Law -

III,24: The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood of a child, or dropping from the host of heaven: then of enemies; then of the priest or of the worshippers: last of some beast, no matter what.

Pray tell.