I'm a long time centipede, AJ fan, Trump supporter, libertarian, Thelemite, and member of OTO, and I want a minute of your attention to unofficially speak on behalf of OTO in regards to recent allegations that it's in some way involved with child sex trafficking (ie pizzagate) or mysterious deaths (ala Killary). I've long wanted to write Alex Jones to clarify some of his misconceptions of Aleister Crowley, Thelema and OTO as someone who is generally on his side but also significantly more informed re this.
Crowley was accused of all sorts of shit throughout his life. A lot of it he did, or there is some reason to suspect it, and he did it in the context of his pursuit of moral purgation, much in the manner of some less popular yogis. But publicly, vocally and as evidenced in his life he believed in the absolute sacredness of human life and of children. He believed to murder was the greatest sort of sin and his "Aeon of the Child" placed the genius of youth and children as paramount and supplanting the patriarchy of the Aeon past. In this sense he was a libertarian that was very much against tyranny in all its forms. There is no reason to believe Crowley ever hurt children. The only evidence people point to that he might have was an allegory he'd pinched from 18th century conspiracy theorists about the sacrifice of young boys where "sacrifice" is ejaculation and "boys" is sperm. He said he sacrificed countless boys over his life. He meant that figuratively - he jacked off a lot for masturbatory sex magical purposes. He jacked off his own adult dick, not the dick of boys. He stated that he meant it allegorically in the very place he talked about it, if only people read the rest of the chapter. I challenge you to bother being thorough: http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/chap12.htm
People have challenged OTO in the past. OTO sued for slander and won: http://www.otoaustralia.org.au/legal
Unfortunately much of OTO leans left, some people far left, and that's what you get when so much of the membership is concentrated on the left coast. So the abortion fundraiser was done and I personally consider it to be extremely horrible and textually against Crowley and Thelema. Protecting life and children, Crowley stated that abortion should be outlawed as a "slave vice." Sadly many "Thelemites" today let political trends take precedence over their purported values.
Again: Seth Rich is a hero, so is Alex Jones, and I sincerely hope the God Emperor prosecutes Crooked Hillary et al to the fullest. And also, Crowley was a perv but not a criminal and OTO neither hosts nor endorses criminal activity.
I'm open to questions.
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privatepizza ago
I would also like to ask you about The Book of The Law, passage 11, quoted below. Do you think that some Thelemites and OTO initiates also take literally these words of Crowley's / Aiwiss's ? "Trample down the Heathen; be upon them, o warrior, I will give you of their flesh to eat!"
redstickbigdick ago
A lot of people like to look at Crowley's ridings and show how much of a monster he was with some of his Illusions. Not a lot of people actually look at the book of the law. It seems strange because the book of the law has verbage in it that is definitely a lot more in contrast to Modern values then the relatively liberal Crowley does. He complained throughout his life that the book of the law was very difficult to stomach. I don't find it that difficult.
privatepizza ago
You say above that "not a lot of people actually look at The Book of The Law".
The Cake of Light sacrament comes from The Book of The Law and is part of every Gnostic (Thelemic) Mass.
Gnostic Mass, when you're an actual initiate, is what you do. So to say that not a lot of people look at The Book of The Law is, quite frankly, incredulous.
redstickbigdick ago
I know the culture, I know the people, there's not a lot of variation at all and when you consider how poorly Cakes of Light are made it really shows how little a lot of OTO culture considers The Book of the Law, despite the importance Crowley placed on it.
privatepizza ago
So you're suggesting that OTO culture doesn't generally follow the Book of The Law. That, to me, is like suggesting that devout Christians don't follow The Bible, or devout Muslims don't follow The Koran. This doesn't make sense at all and logically, it sounds as if your group is following something other than Aleister Crowley's OTO.
The Book of The Law is given place on the alter during Gnostic (OTO) Mass, and Cakes of Light are eaten as part of the mass.
In your order, does your group not conduct Gnostic (OTO) Mass set out by Crowley in Liber 15 as inscribed below ?
Gnostic Mass instructions from Aleister Crowley, Liber VX - http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib15.htm & https://archive.fo/EYww
privatepizza ago
If that's the case, can you tell me why they are they eaten at every Gnostic (OTO) Mass then, if, as you say, a lot of OTO culture considers little of The Book of The Law ?
It's widely known that Cakes of Light are eaten at every OTO mass.
privatepizza ago
I would disagree and say that a lot of people do look at The Book of The Law. This is apparent by researching those who make Cakes of Light with blood. To generalize about every Thelemic and OTO follower and their practices may not be very helpful here as chapters and practices vary.
I find The Book of The Law difficult to stomach due to the Cake of Light sacrament and above excerpt re 'flesh to eat' although it's a very easy 5 minute read. For those interested - http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/engccxx.htm
redstickbigdick ago
Let me reiterate here that my edge is as an insider and as one I can say that I have never heard of anyone serving Cakes with fresh blood in them. You read too quickly. "This burn, of this make cakes and eat unto me." Is possibly universally interpreted as meaning that you make a cake from the batter, bloody it (semen, menses, whatever), burn it to ash, and put that ash in the remaining batter. Any "blood" would have been denatured by the burning...
You will not find a recipe online that gives alternate instructions.
privatepizza ago
While I appreciate that you're an 'insider', I think you'll agree that you can't possibly have experience of what all the OTO and Thelemites in the world are doing.
From the research I've done, as an 'outsider', I've found numerous discussions among the OTO community about whether cakes of light should be made as cakes or burned to ash. So it seems you are wrong here. Just go and take a look at the divisions in 'your' community over this. It seems strange that you haven't heard of these 2 interpretations of the sacrament.
Here is one Thelemite / OTO initiate's quote -
http://www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6678 & https://archive.fo/vEEoS
Quoting you from above --
Again, you are wrong. Here are three contemporary recipes for Cakes of Light which are online at Thelemic and Hermetic community forums, both made with blood and made as cakes (not burned to ash).
Cake of Light Recipe with "the blood of your choice"
First you will want to make the cakes as follows: 1c cornmeal, 1-2tblspn honey, 1-2tblspn olive oil, 7-10 drops Abramelin, & 1-2tblspn wine leavings. Flatten out the mixture & smooth it down with the blood of your choice & allow it to swell with the force. Cut cakes & Bake for 6-10 min at 360.
From Temple of Thelema Website http://www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2137 & https://archive.fo/3YlHi
Thelemic 'Cake of Light' recipe the cakes are also made with 'ingredient x'
"Ingredient X can be harvested, mixed with some honey and then frozen until such a time as you are ready to make your cakes of light."
https://hermetic.com/egc/aisha-cakes & http://archive.is/bN2QP
At The Temple of Thelema website we also find a discussion on how best to make Cakes of Light -
Forum - http://www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6678 & http://archive.is/vEEoS
So... wrong x 2. Also, I ask you again, where do Thelemites and OTO initiates get their "fresh blood of a child" from? Their children? By injection? I quote the exact teachings from The Book of The Law -
Pray tell.