Hi guys, I hope this doesn't get deleted. I'd rather not disclose my identity, but I have been keeping an eye on this Voat since around maybe December nearly every day. I care deeply about this subject and I just wanted to give some constructive criticism because I don't want to see this die. There are some amazing and hard-working people on here and I don't want your work to have a bad image when (or if for that matter) this stuff really starts boiling over to the mainstream. I am making this post for the sake of this movement's legitimacy and integrity.
First and foremost, I believe PG has evolved. This is obviously no longer just about CPP and Podesta's emails. In fact, one could even argue that the original conspiracy was so overwhelmingly "debunked" by MSM because it was all a distraction to make us all look like kooky conspiracy theorists who had no credibility. Nobody truly knows at this point, but I think it is very important that we all focus on FACTS. As a reader, I roll my eyes every time I see a post about the fatherhood video or Miley Cyrus in a pizza outfit. I've been close to leaving this page entirely because of things like this. However, we all saw how the theory blatantly tapped a nerve, and sex trafficking is still very well a part of this. I do think the Pizzagate name is a good one because it is the center of so many people, for lack of a better term, swallowing the red pill. There are dark secrets in the highest levels of government. PG merely opened the doors. The most telling sign that we were onto something was seeing Podesta and Hillary aggressively tweeting, Podesta himself even doing that ludicrous interview.
Sources are important. Please refrain from using sources which are not trustworthy. A post loses all credibility when the source material has articles about inter-dimensional lizards or whatever other nonsense. I know it's difficult to find a good source when so much media seems to be completely controlled, but if I could make a simple suggestion, try not to just post an article with no context. It is almost always entirely useless. And let's talk about the elephant in the room...anons and "whistleblowers." We need to be more careful about who we choose to represent our movement. I really don't want to name names here, but I think you all get the picture. Don't allow the "fake news" narrative to become reality.
Lastly (and this is certainly more of a personal opinion), leave the obvious troll/shill posts up for everyone to see. You know, the "PG Iz Retarded" and other obvious BS. For one, it's quite amusing. But these accounts are highly suspicious. Remember how I said the base PG conspiracy could be a distraction to discredit the movement? Doesn't it seem awfully odd how fixated these accounts seem to be on the very first claims made, rather than the mountains of evidence which have come to light in the last six months? I often see these accounts say something along the lines of "Let me know when Podesta and Hillary are arrested for running a satanic child sex ring in the basement of a pizzeria." This is extremely odd. I think getting to the bottom of these troll accounts could give us all some insight as to the bigger picture of Pizzagate.
I hope my points were clear. There are some wonderful people on here doing God's work. However, this is going to be a tricky battle. Stay headstrong and together we can change the world. Peace and love.
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ArthurEdens ago
I still maintain that the only thing that will make an impact are videos of the suspects ritualing and raping kids leaked out to the public. A mountain of evidence won't do shit. Even if it goes to trial. You need those videos, and you need them viral, period.
Laskar ago
I already made a post about this. It actually happened in Italy. Arrests were made too. My post got only a few views people just did not get it--too busy posting copycat posts of MSM garbage. Many sources are being scrubbed and information is getting harder to find.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1791324
SoldierofLight ago
I missed that post. Thanks for pointing it out. I encourage you to post it again at some point.
Laskar ago
Thanks for the encouragement. At this point, I am at a loss to continue posting when I see what silliness is going on here. I appreciate your words and think you must be correct, perhaps there are different people on VOAT now and they are not aware of this story. There was a lot in the European press about it, but a real blackout here, jsut as the censors here remove stories that are posted about certain (((people))).
SoldierofLight ago
It's terribly frustrating, but if we give up, what happens? Most normies don't even know about the Jacob Schwartz story out of New York thanks to the MSN blockade. How do those people sleep at night?
You give me strength, and I hope I give you some in return. Stay strong. They need us to keep going.
Laskar ago
Thank you, Soldier of Light, of course you are right. And yes, you do give strength; I know you are focusing on what is truly important.
I guess you mean this Jacob Schwartz: https://nypost.com/2017/05/26/de-blasio-staffer-arrested-for-child-pornography/
Look at how few votes this got: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1896287
Thanks to people like you, I won't give up just yet.
SoldierofLight ago
Just upvoted that post of yours (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1896287)) and commented, with the hope of getting it more attention. That's a thread with proof, leads, an arrest, known victims, and likely part of a larger network of pedophiles. It's a thread with a lot more substance than many others on this sub.
And yes, the de Blasio staffer is exactly who I was referring to. I posted that article on my Facebook page along with some commentary about how other than the Post, no mainstream media outlets covered it. Only alternative news sources, and so who is really the Fake News? But as for a response to my post, crickets. People need to put aside their politics and pull their heads out of the sand. It's falling to us to carry the weight until they wake up. I know I'm new to this, but in my gut, I believe that 2017 will be the year when people have to decide who and what they stand for. 20,000 plus years of bullshit is about to hit the fan. I was reminded of this a few minutes ago when two fighter jets escorted a troop carrier plane below radar over my house. The level of military activity where I live is noticeably high and getting more evident all the time. Shit's gonna break one way or the other. But I believe in my heart of hearts that the light will soon shine in all the dark places. Let's stay strong together.
Laskar ago
Thank you for that.
Yes, I believe you are correct in what you wrote, particularly about this year (and I believe 2018) as well, though we may have come at it from different beginnings. Truth is Truth and needs no defense--it will triumph to be sure.
It has always been a battle between good and evil both in this world and in each person's heart.
There is much to be learned from the 20th century bloodbath of 70 years duration during which there were 80 million martyrs. The ones who survived have quite a story to tell and it is a story that in the beginning starts out the same as what we see before us today with the obliteration of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
This is one of my favorite Solzhenitsyn quotes---his books are amazing: βAnd how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more β we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.β --from The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
SoldierofLight ago
I'm not a Christian (or religious for that matter) but the phrase "Like lambs to the slaughter" comes to mind. Some of my most favorite writers and film makers were the old Russians like Pushkin, Tolstoy, and the director Alexander Room. Best that I don't research their history at this point as I'm finding that all my old heroes were actually members of the Dark Forces.
Laskar ago
Have you read "Under the Sign of the Scorpion"? It was written by an atheist, Estonian guy who spent years int he old KGB archives. It is an amazing read.
He also made an excellent film called "In the Shadow of Hermes"--it has English subs, and I could not recommend it highly enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIuW-vNQsQI
Pushkin was crypto Jew who wrote good poetry, Tolstoy started off great, but went psycho in his later years (poisoned?).
Read Dostoevsky--esp Brothers Karamazov--so great.
SoldierofLight ago
I'll check those out. I like Dostoevsky but love Tolstoy-- but like you, his earlier works. I always wondered about the circumstances of his death and what led up to it-- the truth versus the official narrative.
Laskar ago
I see now that everything I learned in school or is simply public/general knowledge about historical figures and events is completely wrong and written solely for the purpose of disinformation.
SoldierofLight ago
It's astonishing, isn't it? I'm trying to downsize my material possessions and my books have always been sacred to me. But now, there are so many I want nothing to do with because I realize they're filled with lies.
Laskar ago
I'm in the same boat, book wise. I'm so glad I've got a pretty decent library.