Hi guys, I hope this doesn't get deleted. I'd rather not disclose my identity, but I have been keeping an eye on this Voat since around maybe December nearly every day. I care deeply about this subject and I just wanted to give some constructive criticism because I don't want to see this die. There are some amazing and hard-working people on here and I don't want your work to have a bad image when (or if for that matter) this stuff really starts boiling over to the mainstream. I am making this post for the sake of this movement's legitimacy and integrity.
First and foremost, I believe PG has evolved. This is obviously no longer just about CPP and Podesta's emails. In fact, one could even argue that the original conspiracy was so overwhelmingly "debunked" by MSM because it was all a distraction to make us all look like kooky conspiracy theorists who had no credibility. Nobody truly knows at this point, but I think it is very important that we all focus on FACTS. As a reader, I roll my eyes every time I see a post about the fatherhood video or Miley Cyrus in a pizza outfit. I've been close to leaving this page entirely because of things like this. However, we all saw how the theory blatantly tapped a nerve, and sex trafficking is still very well a part of this. I do think the Pizzagate name is a good one because it is the center of so many people, for lack of a better term, swallowing the red pill. There are dark secrets in the highest levels of government. PG merely opened the doors. The most telling sign that we were onto something was seeing Podesta and Hillary aggressively tweeting, Podesta himself even doing that ludicrous interview.
Sources are important. Please refrain from using sources which are not trustworthy. A post loses all credibility when the source material has articles about inter-dimensional lizards or whatever other nonsense. I know it's difficult to find a good source when so much media seems to be completely controlled, but if I could make a simple suggestion, try not to just post an article with no context. It is almost always entirely useless. And let's talk about the elephant in the room...anons and "whistleblowers." We need to be more careful about who we choose to represent our movement. I really don't want to name names here, but I think you all get the picture. Don't allow the "fake news" narrative to become reality.
Lastly (and this is certainly more of a personal opinion), leave the obvious troll/shill posts up for everyone to see. You know, the "PG Iz Retarded" and other obvious BS. For one, it's quite amusing. But these accounts are highly suspicious. Remember how I said the base PG conspiracy could be a distraction to discredit the movement? Doesn't it seem awfully odd how fixated these accounts seem to be on the very first claims made, rather than the mountains of evidence which have come to light in the last six months? I often see these accounts say something along the lines of "Let me know when Podesta and Hillary are arrested for running a satanic child sex ring in the basement of a pizzeria." This is extremely odd. I think getting to the bottom of these troll accounts could give us all some insight as to the bigger picture of Pizzagate.
I hope my points were clear. There are some wonderful people on here doing God's work. However, this is going to be a tricky battle. Stay headstrong and together we can change the world. Peace and love.
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Vindicator ago
@HelloEverybody: You've made a number of excellent points and this post has earned many comments; I don't want to have to remove it per Rule 4. Unfortunately, you've provided links to no examples of the things you discuss -- this is an unsourced discussion post -- and those belong in v/pizzagatewhatever.
Please take a few moments to select the text of several of your examples, click the link button that looks like a chain in the formatting buttons (it's #3), and insert a url for each example you highlight in the box. That way this post will be sourced, satisfying Rule 2.
You can find dozens of PGStupid posts to link to in Removed Submissions, which is at the bottom of the sidebar on the right (view desktop site on mobile).
There is a link to a thread giving numerous search options at the top of the sidebar, so you can easily find the examples you need.
Thanks!
neverobey ago
@vindicator Actually it violates every single rule and it is dividing us.
HelloEverybody ago
I linked a few examples. I will edit more tomorrow if necessary, but I have to get up early so please forgive me for now.
Vindicator ago
Thanks!
HelloEverybody ago
Thank you. This is my first post on here so I was unclear on how to go about this. I will edit it now. :)
icuntstopswearing ago
Baptism by fire! Apart from the shills there are plenty of big egos battling against each other on here, and you got caught in the cross-fire. I agree with you in that shills' comments should be left up so we can see what they are really pushing back at. Thanks for your comments.