You're hyping this pretty hard. Career? As an actor? The one thing you have that raises questions is the camera everything else is a reach.
Here's the guy's entire credits. He's been involved in a few low budget movies in NC. This is hardly a career.
Crew
2005 A Tale About Bootlegging (production assistant)
2008 The Mill (production assistant)
2008 The Mill (storyboard artist)
Actor
2009 The Bleeding Raver / Victim (uncredited)
Writer
2011 Mute (Short) This was a short film he did in college.
He has one acting credit and he plays an unamed character and was not listed in the credits of the movie, see uncredited. In the IMDB page for The Bleeding, he is not listed with the regular cast. This reads to me like he was an extra.
It's fair to say, he was involved in movies and acted on screen in one 7 years before he walked into Comet Ping Pong. However this is hardly a career.
I have no idea why you list his "short film" about a pizzeria. He was not involved in any way in that movie which was produced in Europe. That was someone just editing his IMDB page after the CPP incident.
The readiness to publish so quickly after the attack in several main stream medias (no link, pub.times can be checked)
This is just silly. This happens all the time. Web publishing is very quick and easy. How long did it take to have articles up about the London attack. The convention on breaking news is to publish quickly to the web and then update the article as more info is confirmed.
Lots of reporters were on the scene by the time he was arrested. News reporters listen to police scanners. I looked this claim up on the day happened. No news reports preceded the incident. The WP had a brief sketch of an article up about a half hour after the initial police activity.
He entered CPP just after 3PM. People starting tweeting immediately
Sharif Silmi, Esq @bayreef@asmamk guy just walked in comet Pizza with shotgun
3:06 PM - 4 Dec 2016
Cameron @dasTurbo
Uh, there's a guy with a gun at Comet pizza apparently. Just saw SWAT run by.
3:09 PM - 4 Dec 2016
Reporter on scene within a half hour.
jeffgep @jeffgep
Breaking : Major police presence near comet pizza in Northwest DC near the corner of Connecticut and Nebraska. Man arrested.
3:30 PM - 4 Dec 2016
Charges dropped after just a while in jail
Local charges were dropped. The same day federal charges were filed. He is being tried in federal court. This is a nothingburger. As for prosecutor pressing for maximum penalty. Happens all the time as leverage to get to a plea bargain.
Man accused Comet Ping Pong for "encouraging murders and rapes" 8 years ago!
What does this have to do with price of tea in China? This was a local activist claiming that if bands were allowed to play at night in the neighborhood it would cause rapes and murders. The guy claiming this was a well-known crank and his prediction proved to be false.
Even that you're heavily downvoated, I think you have mostly fair skeptism on this one, so thanks for posting.
Career --> experience. You're right on this one. Still the same regarding value as proof of false flag.
MSM has rarely been so quick, so widely, on a food bar shooting. Either this bar was under special surveillance or the attack was already known. The lenght of the first posts, in several medias, doesn't support quick breaking news posts but instead prepared articles. They had even the statement of Welch included.
I've updated the charge-issue by another earlire comment. Case to be checked further. Line drops one of the proofs, unless there is a non-trial deal which would return that proof value.
I disagree with you on the 8y old stuff, it does have value, not that much hence putting it as last. "Well known crank" might have been just a claim by media to reduce his trustworth. We are talking about accusations said to a friend of a president, remember?
I hope we discuss objectively, aiming for a result if there's enough of proof for a false flag. IMO there is.
You have zero proof of a false flag. You have suspicion of a false flag.
Think about what proof actually entails. You have no evidence whatsoever, that Edgar Maddison Welch did anything but act on his own. I think you can objectively see this is true.
--2. You set up a false binary.
Either it was under special surveillance or the attack was already known.
These are not the only two options.
Another option would be Comet Ping Pong was already in the news. So a gunman going there is big story as opposed to a gunman going to Harry's bar. It really doesn't take much in a city with a local desk. You hear the police activity, you go out there. While he's still inside you talk to the cops and then call your editor. Look for the next big breaking story in a major city and see how long it take for reporters to respond.
--4 I don't see any value in this whatsoever. It surely doesn't prove anything about a false flag. And for what it's worth, he was described as a local crank at the time 8 years ago. Way before any of this happened.
I'm sorry, but I don't see you discussing objectively. Let's end this "zero proof" discussion. Next time, elsewhere, please consider how you approach. You seem to be a shill not really trying to help the children out there being fucked. I hope you don't take money for what you seemingly do against them.
But if you have proof a false flag lay it out. Proof is a high standard, a bunch of connections is not proof, it's a pile of circumstantial evidence that may prove something or it may proof nothing.
For each item you laid out, you still need to go at least one step further to actually show a false flag.
What does each of these prove?
EMW acted in a movie......and?
EMW was movie with a gun in pizzeria.....this is false and what would this prove? The Pizzagate false flag was planned years before pizzagate was a thing????
EMW in Haiti.......and?
Dad's webpage.....and?
Dad produced horror movies.....and?
Traffic camera .....definitely curious.
Media quick to publish.....this is routine
Prosecutor ask for Max ....this is routine
Charges dropped.....this is routine
claimed as federal crime by FBI agent Justin Holgate, ex Vox cameraman....so he used to do something different before the FBI.....and? Also FBI agents do not get to file federal charges, prosecutors do, in this case the US Attorney.....do you mean Fox and not Vox?
Man accused Comet Ping Pong for "encouraging murders and rapes" 8 years ago! this is completely irrelevant to anything, but in particular to the claim of a false flag.
So Objectively, you have a pile of things you think are suspicious. What you do not have is proof. Every step you mention requires more for it to proof. If you can explain how any of the items above constitute proof, I'll give it a listen.
What would proof be? Some connection at all to Comet Ping Pong would be nice Something that shows EMW didn't decide to do this on his own. Nothing you point out actually pokes holes in the story laid out in the charging documents. EMW became interested in pizzagate online. He decided to investigate/rescue. He contacted some friends to see if they would join him, but eventually set out on his own, drove from NC to DC, entered CPP with a gun and investigated.
The truth is it's entirely possible for EMW to be an actor AND to commit this crime on his own due to a sincere belief in pizzagate.
I shouldn't actually do this, answering again, but maybe, just maybe, you consider changing your current point of view and join helping those kids after making things clear, or suspicious enough, for you:
EMW acted in a movie......and?
If a false flag, they needed a guy who would be credible enough for playing the role. Experience as an actor support this theory.
EMW was movie with a gun in pizzeria.....this is false and what would this prove? The Pizzagate false flag was planned years before pizzagate was a thing????
Playing a similar role earlier would add to the credibility on scene. Currently we don't know really know if he played on this or not. If it turns out that this shortie was actually made having him in, and info on that removed from IMDB after the attack, it would provide further proof on false flag.
EMW in Haiti.......and?
Dad's webpage.....and?
Dad produced horror movies.....and?
Child trafficking in Haiti is a well known problem. EMW connected to Haiti suggests he's at least aware of this, possibly even connected to the trafficking either as a trafficker or as a victim. Father having kids on horror movies produced in Haiti supports this partially. Webpage removed for even a while would support this partially too (unfortunately I didn't find that link). However, looking at this from the other side suggests that EMW would have a reason to trust to pizzagate more than someone else. These are all interesting points which should be further studied. These are currently dismissed (seemingly, according to EMW's statement and all the court documents) which is odd, considering they would further bring some light to the motives of EMW. One can suspect that these are dismissed in purpose.
This is not a strong line as itself, but a very important one.
Traffic camera .....definitely curious.
Yep
Media quick to publish.....this is routine
Already discussed a bit, but let's get a bit further. Your earlier comment suggest that article was written while EMW still inside CPP. His statement would not have made it to the article in this case.Your earlier comment also suggests that CPP might have news value, speeding up the process. My suggestion is that having important news value would have made it slower (article checked in higher levels before publishing). Adding the quick spreading of the news to several MSM's, the process was very different compared to other similar news. You should share an example of similar speed and awareness from some other similar case instead just claiming "this is routine".
Prosecutor ask for Max ....this is routine
...35 years. Routine for real? I'm actually not aware about the routine, so please go on.
Charges dropped.....this is routine
Already discussed and agreed
claimed as federal crime by FBI agent Justin Holgate, ex Vox cameraman....so he used to do something different before the FBI.....and? Also FBI agents do not get to file federal charges, prosecutors do, in this case the US Attorney.....do you mean Fox and not Vox?
Fox, fixed. Attorney, not mentioned and not needed. FBI Agent gave the statement on why this would be a federal crime. ...and? We really don't know yet. A non-trial would support the false flag theory, time in jail would support crime theory. According to MSM this is a crime. Should we just take that as such? IMO No.
Man accused Comet Ping Pong for "encouraging murders and rapes" 8 years ago! this is completely irrelevant to anything, but in particular to the claim of a false flag.
Already discussed and IMO agreed?
Every step you mention requires more for it to proof. If you can explain how any of the items above constitute proof, I'll give it a listen. What would proof be?
Proof is indeed a too strong word from me at this point, sorry about that. We have two theories, lines by FBI/Welch/MSM supporting one, our findings supporting the other. The case is: Are our findings strong enough to make this suspicious enough? IMO yes.
Some connection at all to Comet Ping Pong would be nice
That would be one line more to support our theory. Should we work to find one?
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AreWeSure ago
You're hyping this pretty hard. Career? As an actor? The one thing you have that raises questions is the camera everything else is a reach.
Here's the guy's entire credits. He's been involved in a few low budget movies in NC. This is hardly a career.
Crew
2005 A Tale About Bootlegging (production assistant)
2008 The Mill (production assistant)
2008 The Mill (storyboard artist)
Actor
2009 The Bleeding Raver / Victim (uncredited)
Writer 2011 Mute (Short) This was a short film he did in college.
He has one acting credit and he plays an unamed character and was not listed in the credits of the movie, see uncredited. In the IMDB page for The Bleeding, he is not listed with the regular cast. This reads to me like he was an extra.
It's fair to say, he was involved in movies and acted on screen in one 7 years before he walked into Comet Ping Pong. However this is hardly a career.
I have no idea why you list his "short film" about a pizzeria. He was not involved in any way in that movie which was produced in Europe. That was someone just editing his IMDB page after the CPP incident.
This is just silly. This happens all the time. Web publishing is very quick and easy. How long did it take to have articles up about the London attack. The convention on breaking news is to publish quickly to the web and then update the article as more info is confirmed.
Lots of reporters were on the scene by the time he was arrested. News reporters listen to police scanners. I looked this claim up on the day happened. No news reports preceded the incident. The WP had a brief sketch of an article up about a half hour after the initial police activity.
He entered CPP just after 3PM. People starting tweeting immediately
Sharif Silmi, Esq @bayreef @asmamk guy just walked in comet Pizza with shotgun 3:06 PM - 4 Dec 2016
Cameron @dasTurbo Uh, there's a guy with a gun at Comet pizza apparently. Just saw SWAT run by. 3:09 PM - 4 Dec 2016
Reporter on scene within a half hour. jeffgep @jeffgep Breaking : Major police presence near comet pizza in Northwest DC near the corner of Connecticut and Nebraska. Man arrested. 3:30 PM - 4 Dec 2016
Local charges were dropped. The same day federal charges were filed. He is being tried in federal court. This is a nothingburger. As for prosecutor pressing for maximum penalty. Happens all the time as leverage to get to a plea bargain.
anonOpenPress ago
Even that you're heavily downvoated, I think you have mostly fair skeptism on this one, so thanks for posting.
I hope we discuss objectively, aiming for a result if there's enough of proof for a false flag. IMO there is.
AreWeSure ago
You have zero proof of a false flag. You have suspicion of a false flag.
Think about what proof actually entails. You have no evidence whatsoever, that Edgar Maddison Welch did anything but act on his own. I think you can objectively see this is true.
--2. You set up a false binary.
These are not the only two options. Another option would be Comet Ping Pong was already in the news. So a gunman going there is big story as opposed to a gunman going to Harry's bar. It really doesn't take much in a city with a local desk. You hear the police activity, you go out there. While he's still inside you talk to the cops and then call your editor. Look for the next big breaking story in a major city and see how long it take for reporters to respond.
--4 I don't see any value in this whatsoever. It surely doesn't prove anything about a false flag. And for what it's worth, he was described as a local crank at the time 8 years ago. Way before any of this happened.
Kudos for adjusting your post.
anonOpenPress ago
I'm sorry, but I don't see you discussing objectively. Let's end this "zero proof" discussion. Next time, elsewhere, please consider how you approach. You seem to be a shill not really trying to help the children out there being fucked. I hope you don't take money for what you seemingly do against them.
AreWeSure ago
Yes, I doubt pizzagate.
But if you have proof a false flag lay it out. Proof is a high standard, a bunch of connections is not proof, it's a pile of circumstantial evidence that may prove something or it may proof nothing.
For each item you laid out, you still need to go at least one step further to actually show a false flag.
What does each of these prove?
EMW acted in a movie......and?
EMW was movie with a gun in pizzeria.....this is false and what would this prove? The Pizzagate false flag was planned years before pizzagate was a thing????
EMW in Haiti.......and?
Dad's webpage.....and?
Dad produced horror movies.....and?
Traffic camera .....definitely curious.
Media quick to publish.....this is routine
Prosecutor ask for Max ....this is routine
Charges dropped.....this is routine
claimed as federal crime by FBI agent Justin Holgate, ex Vox cameraman....so he used to do something different before the FBI.....and? Also FBI agents do not get to file federal charges, prosecutors do, in this case the US Attorney.....do you mean Fox and not Vox?
Man accused Comet Ping Pong for "encouraging murders and rapes" 8 years ago! this is completely irrelevant to anything, but in particular to the claim of a false flag.
So Objectively, you have a pile of things you think are suspicious. What you do not have is proof. Every step you mention requires more for it to proof. If you can explain how any of the items above constitute proof, I'll give it a listen.
What would proof be? Some connection at all to Comet Ping Pong would be nice Something that shows EMW didn't decide to do this on his own. Nothing you point out actually pokes holes in the story laid out in the charging documents. EMW became interested in pizzagate online. He decided to investigate/rescue. He contacted some friends to see if they would join him, but eventually set out on his own, drove from NC to DC, entered CPP with a gun and investigated.
The truth is it's entirely possible for EMW to be an actor AND to commit this crime on his own due to a sincere belief in pizzagate.
anonOpenPress ago
I shouldn't actually do this, answering again, but maybe, just maybe, you consider changing your current point of view and join helping those kids after making things clear, or suspicious enough, for you:
If a false flag, they needed a guy who would be credible enough for playing the role. Experience as an actor support this theory.
Playing a similar role earlier would add to the credibility on scene. Currently we don't know really know if he played on this or not. If it turns out that this shortie was actually made having him in, and info on that removed from IMDB after the attack, it would provide further proof on false flag.
Child trafficking in Haiti is a well known problem. EMW connected to Haiti suggests he's at least aware of this, possibly even connected to the trafficking either as a trafficker or as a victim. Father having kids on horror movies produced in Haiti supports this partially. Webpage removed for even a while would support this partially too (unfortunately I didn't find that link). However, looking at this from the other side suggests that EMW would have a reason to trust to pizzagate more than someone else. These are all interesting points which should be further studied. These are currently dismissed (seemingly, according to EMW's statement and all the court documents) which is odd, considering they would further bring some light to the motives of EMW. One can suspect that these are dismissed in purpose.
This is not a strong line as itself, but a very important one.
Yep
Already discussed a bit, but let's get a bit further. Your earlier comment suggest that article was written while EMW still inside CPP. His statement would not have made it to the article in this case.Your earlier comment also suggests that CPP might have news value, speeding up the process. My suggestion is that having important news value would have made it slower (article checked in higher levels before publishing). Adding the quick spreading of the news to several MSM's, the process was very different compared to other similar news. You should share an example of similar speed and awareness from some other similar case instead just claiming "this is routine".
...35 years. Routine for real? I'm actually not aware about the routine, so please go on.
Already discussed and agreed
Fox, fixed. Attorney, not mentioned and not needed. FBI Agent gave the statement on why this would be a federal crime. ...and? We really don't know yet. A non-trial would support the false flag theory, time in jail would support crime theory. According to MSM this is a crime. Should we just take that as such? IMO No.
Already discussed and IMO agreed?
Proof is indeed a too strong word from me at this point, sorry about that. We have two theories, lines by FBI/Welch/MSM supporting one, our findings supporting the other. The case is: Are our findings strong enough to make this suspicious enough? IMO yes.
That would be one line more to support our theory. Should we work to find one?