I WONDER.... Elton John, Gay Marriage as Pedo Camouflage, and the Uncomfortable Connection Between Homosexuality and Paedophilia (pizzagate)

submitted ago by RedGreenAlliance

Controversial but much needed post was HERE. I urge sensitivity but also honest reflection.

There is an undeniable link between homosexuality and paedophilia. We might hate it, we might feel uncomfortable admitting it, but it is there and its undeniable. But it is also true that it does not reflect on ALL gays, not by any stretch.

These two facts are not mutually exclusive and can both be true.

Let me tell you my experience as a Social Worker who worked in child protection, childrens homes, mental health units and sex offenders (probation) hostels.

Almost all the pedos were male. Thats well established. Almost all were of a character type and personality that if you didn't know their crimes, you would peg them as gay. Their mannerisms, behaviour, speech, interests - all the hallmarks. Some were openly gay. Some during counselling admitted to homosexual relationships, often with much older men when they were teens or young adults struggling with their sexual identity. Its also true that in prisons, hostels such as i worked in, there were lots of sexual relationships between men who were 'paedophiles'. So the two sexual persuasions are not mutually exclusive either, nor are they necessarily together. But there were far more gays within the client group i worked with, paedophiles, than there were 'straight' men. In fact the majority of paedophiles i worked with were men who were attracted to boys, which various research puts at a ration of 2:1 more homosexual:heterosexual paedphiles.

These are all uncomfortable trues, self-evident in my working life. If anyone finds that offensive, NOT SORRY, its time to separate your emotional reaction and politically correct impulses with an honest, objective look at factual evidence.

If i were a paedophile - I know what my strategy would be. I would gravitate to the LGBT community where i can always obfuscate who i really am, and can hide behind the shield of political correctness and LGBT victimhood narratives. would also know that there are going to be LOTS of other like minded men in that community who i would end up in contact with - either to form relationships, to colaborate on grooming victims, to swap notes and contacts and 'material'. And yes if i was a sick psychopathic pedo, I'd consider a mutualy beneficial 'gay marriage' with another pedo, so that i could adopt - preferably very young and or foreign born - children. Its the perfect setup. Who would challenge or accuse me in this PC-obsessed world?

THE EXAMPLE OF ELTON JOHN

Please do not assume I am convicted Elton John of anything. I am merely correlating various known facts, 'red flags', accusations and scandals and presenting them as an archetype of what might be going on.

Here's looking at you Elton John - who is in a gay marriage and adopted two SONS. and also has 10 GOD CHILDREN, most of them boys

He had paedophilic art seized by the UK police in 2007

He was accused of a proclivity for young rent boys in 1989, including accusations he diddled a 10 year old boy but he sued Rupert Murdoch successfully (not an acknowledgement of innocence but that's another debate).

In 2014 this article summarised a number of pedo related suspicions

"My kids aren't stuck in a mansion - we go to PIZZA HUT"

Some of you might remember the precedent setting legal case he took out to prevent newspapers reporting a scandal in 2016 - called a 'super-injunction'. In short he had an orgy with at least one other man and his husband, while his tow adopted boys were in the house. The internet was awash with rumours that he was hosting orgies all the time and it was an open secret. The internet has been scrubbed of the details. MEMORY HOLED (to keep in line with the current Orwellian mood). I don't have the time to find and its getting late in the UK.

So whats my point?

That YES YES YES it makes total sense for pedos, be they homosexually attracted pedos or not, to use gay marriage and then adoption as a front for child abuse. Totally. How widespread this is, who knows, but you would have to be an idiot to not see it logically fits. Does this reflect on all gays, absolutely not. I have met many. The shield of political correctness is incredibly powerful. I know from working in a PC-claustrophic environment (social work), that even with significant concerns - there would be FAR FAR less chance of anyone having the guts to investigate let alone accuse a gay couple than a straight couple, of abusing children in their care. This is because of fear of the automatic pushback "you are only saying that because you are prejudiced, gays being pedophiles is an old myth". In fact in PC-mad Britain, you would probably be shut down or even fired for discussing your concerns with colleagues.

IN SHORT - you would have far more cover being in a gay marriage, than if you were in a heterosexual marriage.

Again, the perfect cover. And again - not saying all or even many gays would be inclined to this behaviour.

In fact i have a friend whose son is gay and works in LA (myself and friend are UK based). His gay son confided that there is a big pedo problem in the LA gay scene and its well known among that circle, and he worries terribly that if it comes out all gays will be bashed and judged the same.

What do you guys think?

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nomorepepperoni ago

I've been pointing out this possibility for some time (along with making clear that gays do not equal pedo). Pedos are weaponizing political correctness (in hiding behind LGBT) to hide their nefarious deeds and watering down instances where gays are legitimately being discriminated against (unfortunately this does still happen).

Good post.

fartyshorts ago

Political correctness has always been about exploitation, suppression and censorship. :/

Votescam ago

That's not true -- political correctness is about allowing young women to be on college campuses, for instance, without being sexually harassed. Also allowing Negros to exist on campus without having to see a statue of a negro with a rope around its neck. And same for Homosexuals who continue to be harassed in their schools, from grammar school on upward and it still hasn't stopped.

PC is about stopping HATE speech.

TheSeer ago

When the Church used to shut people up, keep them from expressing their opinion and shaming them for it, they made it ILLEGAL to disagree with them. This was called BLASPHEMY, and in severe cases, HERESY, make those guilty HERETICS. Interesting that gays use this tactic against them for hundreds of years against others now! *

 

Medieval heresy = modern political incorrectness *

 

heretic = sexist

 

blasphemer = racist/homophobe

Votescam ago

Actually they also killed people as "heretics" -- but it is true that in Italy it was illegal to laugh at a priest on the streets.

Gays -- like females -- and African Americans and people of color were being intimidated by HATE speech. That's what it's about. "PC" is right wing propaganda to cause disrespect for those rules and regulations and it works in kind of a "knee jerk" way when someone doesn't think about the propaganda being thrown at them.

Behind much of these "PC" claims it is also clear that there remains a great deal of discomfort and homophobia in regard to gays being let out of the closet. Much of it goes back to religious teachings. Organized patriarchal religion had a long list of enemies -- Women, Homosexuals, Jews, Africans, Native peoples.

They are male supremacists who are mainly for themselves.

TheSeer ago

And gays and feminists have a long list of enemies too, men, heterosexual, believe in God, white.

Votescam ago

True -- as I mentioned in my post.

To overturn Elite patriarchy, we first have to overturn organized patriarchal religions -- People are leaving these male-supremacist religions in droves and that's been going on for 30-40 years or more now. Islam continues to grow because they are basically "outbreeding" other religions and in some areas they retain control by violence and intimidation.

TheSeer ago

Wahhabism and Zionism are spreading. Not as fast as they were before Russia & Syria got involved, though. They both spread because their spread is being financed. You want to stop the Elite, you go after the money men, not the 'elite patriarchal religions'.

It is literally equivalent to treating the symptoms, instead of the causes.

Votescam ago

What's Wahhabism?

For more than two centuries, Wahhabism has been Saudi Arabia's dominant faith. It is an austere form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Koran. Strict Wahhabis believe that all those who don't practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. Critics say that Wahhabism's rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam, pointing to extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. Wahhabism's explosive growth began in the 1970s when Saudi charities started funding Wahhabi schools (madrassas) and mosques from Islamabad to Culver City, California. Here are excerpts from FRONTLINE's interviews with Mai Yamani, an anthropologist who studies Saudi society; Vali Nasr, an authority on Islamic fundamentalism; Maher Hathout, spokesperson for the Islamic Center of Southern California; and Ahmed Ali, a Shi'a Muslim from Saudi Arabia. (Also see the Links and Readings section of this site for more analyses of Wahhabism and Saudi Arabia.)> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

BUT....What is Wahhabism except pedophilia? (Child Molestation) https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEVx6c_bhYDrcA_CBXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0Ym51c29iBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjMwNjBfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw--?p=Saudi+Arabia+and+child+brides&fr2=piv-web&fr=yfp-t

A lot of Saudi Arabian money in our banks which worries a lot of people should it be suddenly withdrawn.

Zionism, I thought, was more of a political movement -- i.e., Israel statehood. Where they want to go after that, I have no idea. Don't know if they push the concept of Israel as a Church state or if it is others who do that. Also excluding African Jews?

Keep in mind that the **US government created the Taliban and Al Qaeda **-- actually Al Qaeda was an ancient cult which had petered out and which was picked up by the Nazis and after WWII they turned over it over to our CIA. US/CIA put US soldiers into Afghanistan 6 months before the Russians entered .... "in order to bait the Russians into Afghanistan ... in hopes of giving them a Vietnam-type experience."

Also, US has to create "terrorism" in order to hold control over the American public -- and RELIGION is one of the most often used tools in the Elite toolbox. Whether Christianity or Islam, it is fostered by government/intelligence agencies and politicians and has been used to conquer nations. This stolen land we occupy, for instance -- certainly Hawaii and many other nations. Kind of like the Drug War is being used today to infiltrate other nations.

This will give you some idea of what I'm talking about ... if you recall watching TV reports over and over and over again of young children in Afghanistan reciting very violent passages from textbooks. Well -- those textbooks were created by the US and shipped into the ME. http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.htm

Same with ISIS -- it's creation by US/CIA. Take your pick of any of these articles .... https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylc=X3oDMTFiN25laTRvBF9TAzIwMjM1MzgwNzUEaXRjAzEEc2VjA3NyY2hfcWEEc2xrA3NyY2h3ZWI-?p=US%2FCIA+created+ISIS&fr=yfp-t&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Here's are the stories on the creation of Taliban/AlQaeda -- and the Afghan Jihad Schoolbook Scandal --

**The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser **> Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Q: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Q: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_interview_shor... >

AND --** The Afghan Jihad Schoolbooks created by US/CIA**

The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.

Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.

http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.htm >

Re your comment: >You want to stop the Elite, you go after the money men, not the 'elite patriarchal religions'.

It is literally equivalent to treating the symptoms, instead of the causes.>

I'd go after anything that we can -- but keep in mind that the $$ require our cooperation with capitalism -- and the American public is walking away from capitalism. And they might just find the ways to do that.

How much is the Vatican worth??? Couple of Trillion? Maybe more? There are estimates in the tens of billions, but I don't think that includes their secret dealings with the Mafia -- money laundering/banking, etal.

Organized patriarchal religion underpins patriarchy -- no one can declare themselves "superior" -- you need a "god" to do that for you. "Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion Over Nature" were also part of the gifts they bestowed on patriarchy -- i.e., the right to exploit nature, natural resources, animal-life -- and even other human beings according to various myths of inferiority.

TheSeer ago

You are still just scratching the surface. What do the Vatican and Wahhabism have in common? Well, the Vatican is being run by the Jesuits at the moment, and the Jesuits were... Founded by a crypto-Jew, known as Ignatius Loyola! And Wahhabism is financed by the House of Saud, crypto-Jews!

I leave it to you to piece together where the Wall St/City of London banks and Zionism fit into this picture.

Votescam ago

More likely Vatican is being run by the CIA and the Mafia.

But again -- Wahhabism -- like Saudi Arabi -- is primarily based in pedophilia as the main means of sexual expression among males. "Men for fun, women for procreation."

As I've said before, there are a few people in every nation who will do violence to get what they want. There is no preponderance of "Jews" working to control finance, other than as they are coupled with the Rockefellers and other non-Jews. Among those non-Jews, they are a lesser number.

I'll see if I can find Mae Brussels' article commenting on this for you. It's been a while since I've read it.

TheSeer ago

So we have a Jesuit pope for the first time in history and you want to tell me the Vatican is run by the CIA and 'mafia'. LOL. It seems to me you have a very specific way that you want to direct people's attention. Away from (((this))), towards this.

Who runs the CIA? Not financiers and bankers, according to you (why does the Vatican have SWISS guards, Switzerland being a banking center, coincidentally)? Let me guess, you think the CIA works for the Director of Central Intelligence?

All these secret societies are essentially mafias. All these intelligence agencies are built on secret society models, with compartmentalization of information, the whole works.

Part of, you know, NOT being a shill is to take in new information when exposed to it. You seem to struggle with that.

Votescam ago

In response to your "Preponderance of 'Jews' working to control finance" ...

Mae Brussel http://maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Conspiracy%20Digest%20Interview.html

(A little more than half way down at the link -- )

M.B.: The Bildebergers, CIA, CFR establishment ruling class is basically Anglo-Saxon White Racist. There are a few Jewish showpieces allowed on the fringe for entertainment or media coverage. Racism in the USA is everywhere, in every prison, police department, and so-called peacemaking organizations. The Control of Candy Jones by Donald Bain tells how a New York model was taken by the CIA, injected with sodium pentathol, and hypnotized. Candy was then taught to hate Blacks, Jews, and Italians. Why? Why were our tax dollars (I keep repeating this because it makes me furious that we are funding these crimes) used to further hatred? How many more Candy Joneses were taught to hate? Candy joined the CIA to deliver messages and ended up with two personalities inside her head. There is no pro-minority attitude on the part of the Establishment. That is so foolish that I wonder what kind of vacuum you are coming from. Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, and Indians are not part of the mainstream of white USA. They are on the lowest fringe. A few Jews such as the Rothschilds, Warburgs, and Schiffs are always the token names for a gentile society. They do not represent assimilation or a symbol of Jew-Christian solidarity. Henry Kissinger is a different story. Kissinger was developed by the U.S. Army Intelligence following World War II. Kissinger worked in counter-intelligence. Many Christian agents were assuming names of Jews killed in the concentration camps. How is it possible that Jewish Henry Kissinger became the darling protégé of the Rockefeller, Exxon, Standard Oil? Kissinger has been photographed kissing Anwar Sadat in Egypt. Sadat has been described as part of Hitler's Nazi brotherhood. Would oil magnates, with their anti-Semitic clubs and multimillion investments, allow Jew-Kissinger to make deals and contracts with oil giants in the Middle-East? Why does the Shah of Iran, a Moslem, work with Kissinger so well? Kissinger put Nazis into power in Greece, Brazil, Chile. They love him. When Hitler's $400,000,000 cash went into Argentina, did they know that Kissinger would be heading our State Department and National Security Council? No Jew would be allowed to be in charge of the Pentagon, National Security of the United States. The CIA is a racist organization. All of this is impossible!!! Kissinger's Jewish cover conceals the Rockefeller and Wall Street bankers who are directing him. >

A lot more of interest at the link.

And -- CIA/Gestapo has full use of US government and it's wealth, full control of US media. We've also had a Polish Pope who was obviously CIA. And CIA has always been interested in Vatican intelligence network. Keep in mind also that John Stockwell (former CIA) calls the CIA, "Catholics in Action."

In exchange a provision of the concordat insured that the Reich Treasury transferred into church accounts the income taxes of German Catholics, amounting to about $1 billion from the beginning to the end of the Third Reich (equivalent to about 10 billion in current dollars)[1]. The tax income and contribution made at the time included money stolen from Jews by German Catholics, the Holy See has made no attempt to use the revenues it gained from Hitler’s Reich to compensate the victims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ioJGMCr-Y>

None of that is intended to suggest that the Vatican is in any way innocent of anything.
Are Catholic elites practicing Black Mass Child Sacrifice?

“I saw the former Catholic Pope Joseph Ratzinger murder a little girl″ stated a survivor of Black Mass rites to Kevin Annett of the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State. “It was at a French chateau in the fall of 1987. It was ugly, horrible and didn’t happen just once. Ratzinger, (Dutch Catholic Cardinal) Alfrink and (Bilderberger founder) Prince Bernhard were some of the more prominent men who took part.” www.itccs.org

There has been great reluctance to damage the reputation of the Holy See by reporting the abuse of children. Under a 1980s Vatican decree still in effect called the Crimean Solicitations, Catholics faced excommunication and even jail time if they reported abuse.

Yet, alleged Black Mass practices by Catholic elites appeared to endanger children. As of 2014 there were an estimated 9.9 million Catholic Priest sexual abuse victims across the globe. Additionally, 139 respondents to the 2007 Extreme Abuse Surveys said they were abused as children by at least one Catholic priest in connection with satanic rituals. According to survivors, Satanic Ritual Abuse and the Black Mass typically involved the murder of children. http://extreme-abuse-survey.net/

Citizens create economies which are then manipulated by banks and financial institutions for the benefit of elites. True, Dulles worked with Nazis from Switzerland often - and it was the Swiss who suggested that passports of Jews bear a "J" which made them identifiable. Jews under threat in Germany sent their savings to Switzerland, much of which was never recovered and which made that small -- very small nation -- very, very wealthy. Even more Jewish savings went to the United States banks and very little if any of it was ever recovered by the rightful owners.

Clearly, these kind of attempts at insults don't benefit your arguments/debate -- i.e., grow up.

It seems to me you have a very specific way that you want to direct people's attention. Away from (((this))), towards this Part of, you know, NOT being a shill is to take in new information when exposed to it. You seem to struggle with that.> http://childabuserecovery.com/are-catholic-elites-practicing-black-mass-child-sacrifice/

The secret societities -- (125 years of Skull & Bones) -- set a pattern of elites working together and moving one's fellow Skull & Bonesman into important political and government positions of power as often as possible.

Capitalism is an evil -- Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime.

TheSeer ago

I wonder what Mae Brussel would say if she saw the composition of the Supreme Court, ownership of mainstream media, and control of the Federal Reserve today... The Skull & Bones are EASILY linked to the Bavarian Illuminati, which in turn are easily linked to the Jesuits, which in turn are easily linked to Crypto-Jews (they pretend to be Christian, so no reason they can't also be pretending to be Jewish, now is there?). If Mae Brussel were around to use the internet I am sure I could show her around a bit.

Votescam ago

Seer --

I'm sure Mae Brussel wouldn't be surprised at any of it. She was quite a visionary. Keep in mind that they had foisted a Central Bank on the US twice before this one and both times they were overturned. It has been by secrecy and lack of public knowledge that this Federal Reseerve Bank prevails, imo.

Interesting that the pattern of Skull & Bons can be linked to Bavarian Illumanati/Jesuits.
Remember that other colleges besides Yale have these secret societies comparable to Skull & Bones -- I think Princeton's is "Cap and Gown."

No one is ignoring anyone's involvement in this global fiasco, but we have been brought here by a war on Nature by male-supremacists, a war on women by male-supremacists, a war on people of color by male-supremacists and a war on homosexuals by male-supremacists. Organized patriarchal religions' war included a war on Jews as well as Africans.

And for more than 30 years now, there have been rumors of a RCC covert war on Muslims. Our government/CIA has murdered a minimum of 1 million Muslims. And, US/CIA worked to introduce violent Islamic writings and beliefs into the ME, beginning with Afghanistan. Many Americans saw on their TV's over and again children in Afghanistan reading these very violent messages from books provided by US/CIA -- composed, printed, shipped and supplied by US/CIA. LINK: http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.htm

The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.

Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.>

Many authors of new writings today have relied on Mae Brussel's original research and investigations.

TheSeer ago

You are just falling for the Divide and Conquer strategy the elite have set out for the plebs. Its sad you refuse to look at the root cause, instead of the symptoms. Tell me how will we defeat the Elites by pitting men against women, black against whites and latinos, religious vs non-religious?

Votescam ago

Proud to be a commoner -- Would be ashamed to be "Elite."

First Divide & Conquer was one half of humanity oppressing the other half -- i.e., male violence vs women.

Second Divide & Conquer was Civil War guaranteed by our Founders compact with Slave owners which divided the nation's citizens by North and South.

Tell me how will we defeat the Elites by pitting men against women, black against whites and latinos, religious vs non-religious?

You don't which is what I am saying to you about this sickness of prejudices and hatreds along gender lines, racial lines, religious lines.

If you want to defeat Elites, you have to stop cooperating with capitalism.

TheSeer ago

You have a searing hatred, millimetres below the surface, for white heterosexual Christian males, and you are telling me about the 'sickness of prejudices and hatreds along gender, racial, religious lines'. I am not sure you understand the extent to which you have been caught up in the very thing you decry.

What about ALL the times that 'male violence', you know, against other males, actually kept women safe? Like every war in history? Pretty grotesque to ignore the sacrifices, literally, by millions of men over decades and centuries, don't you think?

You want to attack capitalism, that's great, but I am naming names and telling you the actual institutions and individuals involved, and your eyes are just glazing over (the enemies you are looking for are in Wall St, the City of London, Frankfurt, and at central banks such as the Federal Reserve). You have to keep in mind the Elites financed the creation of Communism, the 'opposite' of capitalism, as well. And there are no central banks in 'textbook' capitalism, and yet we have central banks absolutely dominating economies and markets today.

Votescam ago

If you believe in war you've really been taken in. It's about profit, power. Just look at what Kissinger had to say about soldiers being "fodder."

One of the most important things that Trump is doing for Elites/corporates is to try to hide the reality of Global Warming. They fear the public coming to fully understand what is happening to the planet. WWIII is set up as the next distraction.

War is actually war on women and children. There aren't any front lines any more. Read something about what our own soldiers in Vietnam confessed to in their brutalities against ordinary Vietnamese men, women and children. Have you ever seen the pictures of what NAPALM did to children there?

Communism has long been just another tool in the Elite tool box, just another boogie man to frighten the public,

Had the system only been comprised of capitalism, people would have seen through it much fast. But it's over now. All that's left to do is to bury it.

No one thinks that Banks are doing anything but ripping off the public. Wall Street money laundering going on for decades now with our major and largest banks.

We have these things because of the corruption of our government.

I don't have hatred for anyone -- other than non-cooperation with capitalism - the only answer to the destructive and evil forces we're facing is love.

But I do believe in facts and reality.

Look -- it doesn't seem that you're contributing anything here but time and wasting the time of others -- so please find a new pen pal. Thanks.

TheSeer ago

You come across as someone who has done a bit of research, who thinks they have done a lot of research. Its actually quite a dangerous attitude. Because you end up trying to 'correct' people that know more, and have done more research, when you should be trying to learn from them, and asking them questions.

Banks are doing more than 'ripping off the public'. They are involved in the fomenting of wars (like the very WWIII you mention), drug trafficking, and financing TERROR (like ISIS).

You have not said what you want to replace capitalism with. Is this not important in your view? If you believe in facts and reality, you need to do some reading about who owns and operates the mainstream media, who owns and operates the major Wall St banks and the Federal Reserve, and who intelligence agencies like the CIA work for (earlier it sounded like you thought they were a root cause, when in truth they are a tool used by the Elites). So whereas I direct my anger at the actual billionaires, you are upset at 'capitalism'. While I am upset with the actual people fomenting wars and financing terror, you are angry at 'men'.

All the truth is getting a bit much for you. That's what happens when you only want to talk, and don't want to listen. Either you want to learn more and clear up your misconceptions, or you don't. If you can tell me something new, that's great too.

Votescam ago

Actually, it sounds like your first paragraph is describing yourself. Anyone who seeks information immediately understands how much they don't know -- a universe of "don't know's."

The permission for banks to rip off the public, launder money and get away with it and financing wars comes from corrupt government. If they were regulated and monitored these things wouldn't be happening. They buy elected officials, or place them in government, to do their bidding. That is why I've said, "Unregulated Capitalism is merely organized crime."

Evidently, you've never noticed I refer to media as CIA/corporate media. Again, see Operation Mockingbird. CIA was created by Elites who put Hitler in power and presumably may have alien contacts/MJ12 type of thing. CIA has always served Elites with a Nazi-like agenda and putting that agenda in play, from Mockingbird to MKULTRA and how many thousands more operations we don't really know.

  • Elites/Royals are a system - some of it morphing into corporatism.
  • Capitalism is a system.
  • Just as the CIA is a system.
  • Just as genocide is a system.
  • Male-supremacy is a system.
  • Just as colonialism was/is a system.
  • Organized patriarchal religion is a system, underpinning male-supremacy.
  • MIC/Intelligence Is a system.
  • Drug Trafficking is a system.
  • That's why occasionally they are referred to separately.

And as far as I know, the wealthiest men in the world have always been involved with drugs and that continues to be true today with the involvement of our government/military. There is no enterprise more profitable than drugs.

But all of these corrupt systems continue to survive and thrive only because they are protected by corrupt government officials and corrupted systems of Justice. One example of that was our Founders' protection of the Enslavement of Africans here.

Capitalism's replacement would of course be democratic socialism -- which is what Bernie Sanders was talking about if you were listening. And the stigma and misunderstanding of "socialism" as something connected to communism no longer exists as the myth it was. The public understands that.

Again -- please find another pen pal.

TheSeer ago

Now you accuse me of projecting, that's sweet. So your solution is more regulations and bigger government. Got it. What could go wrong, right? Except that regulations already exist, and the real problem is selective enforcement, aka two sets of laws, one for the filthy rich, and one for the rest of us! The idea that you think government is more powerful than finance is a very entertaining, but unsubstantiated, one.

These 'corrupt systems' as you refer to them don't thrive only because of corrupt gov't officials, but also because of a complicit media (owned/operated by who?), willing financiers (who are the financial powers in the world?) and a completely rotten Justice system (is any group overrepresented in the Justice system, or is it those 'white males' again?).

I believe decentralization of power will solve many problems. In this case, that means not letting billionaires accumulate billions in the first place, and governments are prevented from becoming empires (as America has). Decentralization of the media (owned/operated by who?) too will make it impossible for Mockingbird agents to control all the headlines.

Break up the Federal Reserve. Break up the CIA. Hell, even break up America into 3 or more countries, dissolve the EU, so on and so forth. But we won't get anywhere without educating the public about where we are, how we got here, and also, who were the major players (and what was their goal)?

If you don't want to be a pen pal, that is entirely up to you. I thought you were on the cusp of learning something, though.

Votescam ago

Go waste someone else's time ... PLEASE.

TheSeer ago

Who would want to learn more about the world, esp. if it causes cognitive dissonance, and one has to rethink certain views... But yes, if we just can get more laws passed, and the size of government increased, there will be no more banksters dividing and conquering the populace, blackmailing politicians, enslaving everyone via debt, LOL.
"A government powerful enough to give you everything you want is also a government powerful enough to take everything you have."

Votescam ago

Rather than repeating right wing propaganda about big government, consider how large our government might need to be if it actually wanted to control crime, human trafficking, corporate criminal activity? Evidently you think it better that capitalism's destruction of the planet should go unchallenged? Consider that all of our government agencies have now been pretty much 100% corrupted by corporate influence/control. Our entire government is under control of criminals.

You're little right wing blurb equates everything to what money can buy... we have war because of corruption. Peace isn't expensive, it simply takes non-criminals to activate it. National Health Care system which actually deliver good medical care to the public are cheaper to run as every other nation knows. The corruption of these systems, like with Nixon and Thatcher as two examples, is to starve valid programs.

You have some ideas that have been set in your mind by the right and they have nothing to do with freedom or democracy and everything to do with giving crime a chance -- a bigger and better chance at every turn.

PLEASE find another pen pal.

TheSeer ago

Well, you did it, you convinced me that you don't actually believe the nonsense you are spouting. All gov't agencies are corrupt, but your solution is that they should be given larger budgets, hire more personnel, and have more regulations they can enforce! LOL

Which would just make the corrupt more powerful, there is no way you could be this oblivious.

You are a caricature of a human being with rational, well-reasoned opinions.

Votescam ago

Let me put it more clearly -- scram, get lost, find something else to do with your time.

TheSeer ago

You know you could make good money as a shill. Since you are already shilling, it should be easy, you won't even have to compromise your values because you apparently already believe the BS you are spewing! I am sure the likes of Huffington Post and CNN would gladly retain your services. Otherwise try The Open Society, or Correct The Record.

Votescam ago

Seer --

I'm sure you're speaking from experience.

Meanwhile, either go find another playground or I'll report you to the Mods.

Thanks for your cooperation --