I WONDER.... Elton John, Gay Marriage as Pedo Camouflage, and the Uncomfortable Connection Between Homosexuality and Paedophilia (pizzagate)

submitted ago by RedGreenAlliance

Controversial but much needed post was HERE. I urge sensitivity but also honest reflection.

There is an undeniable link between homosexuality and paedophilia. We might hate it, we might feel uncomfortable admitting it, but it is there and its undeniable. But it is also true that it does not reflect on ALL gays, not by any stretch.

These two facts are not mutually exclusive and can both be true.

Let me tell you my experience as a Social Worker who worked in child protection, childrens homes, mental health units and sex offenders (probation) hostels.

Almost all the pedos were male. Thats well established. Almost all were of a character type and personality that if you didn't know their crimes, you would peg them as gay. Their mannerisms, behaviour, speech, interests - all the hallmarks. Some were openly gay. Some during counselling admitted to homosexual relationships, often with much older men when they were teens or young adults struggling with their sexual identity. Its also true that in prisons, hostels such as i worked in, there were lots of sexual relationships between men who were 'paedophiles'. So the two sexual persuasions are not mutually exclusive either, nor are they necessarily together. But there were far more gays within the client group i worked with, paedophiles, than there were 'straight' men. In fact the majority of paedophiles i worked with were men who were attracted to boys, which various research puts at a ration of 2:1 more homosexual:heterosexual paedphiles.

These are all uncomfortable trues, self-evident in my working life. If anyone finds that offensive, NOT SORRY, its time to separate your emotional reaction and politically correct impulses with an honest, objective look at factual evidence.

If i were a paedophile - I know what my strategy would be. I would gravitate to the LGBT community where i can always obfuscate who i really am, and can hide behind the shield of political correctness and LGBT victimhood narratives. would also know that there are going to be LOTS of other like minded men in that community who i would end up in contact with - either to form relationships, to colaborate on grooming victims, to swap notes and contacts and 'material'. And yes if i was a sick psychopathic pedo, I'd consider a mutualy beneficial 'gay marriage' with another pedo, so that i could adopt - preferably very young and or foreign born - children. Its the perfect setup. Who would challenge or accuse me in this PC-obsessed world?

THE EXAMPLE OF ELTON JOHN

Please do not assume I am convicted Elton John of anything. I am merely correlating various known facts, 'red flags', accusations and scandals and presenting them as an archetype of what might be going on.

Here's looking at you Elton John - who is in a gay marriage and adopted two SONS. and also has 10 GOD CHILDREN, most of them boys

He had paedophilic art seized by the UK police in 2007

He was accused of a proclivity for young rent boys in 1989, including accusations he diddled a 10 year old boy but he sued Rupert Murdoch successfully (not an acknowledgement of innocence but that's another debate).

In 2014 this article summarised a number of pedo related suspicions

"My kids aren't stuck in a mansion - we go to PIZZA HUT"

Some of you might remember the precedent setting legal case he took out to prevent newspapers reporting a scandal in 2016 - called a 'super-injunction'. In short he had an orgy with at least one other man and his husband, while his tow adopted boys were in the house. The internet was awash with rumours that he was hosting orgies all the time and it was an open secret. The internet has been scrubbed of the details. MEMORY HOLED (to keep in line with the current Orwellian mood). I don't have the time to find and its getting late in the UK.

So whats my point?

That YES YES YES it makes total sense for pedos, be they homosexually attracted pedos or not, to use gay marriage and then adoption as a front for child abuse. Totally. How widespread this is, who knows, but you would have to be an idiot to not see it logically fits. Does this reflect on all gays, absolutely not. I have met many. The shield of political correctness is incredibly powerful. I know from working in a PC-claustrophic environment (social work), that even with significant concerns - there would be FAR FAR less chance of anyone having the guts to investigate let alone accuse a gay couple than a straight couple, of abusing children in their care. This is because of fear of the automatic pushback "you are only saying that because you are prejudiced, gays being pedophiles is an old myth". In fact in PC-mad Britain, you would probably be shut down or even fired for discussing your concerns with colleagues.

IN SHORT - you would have far more cover being in a gay marriage, than if you were in a heterosexual marriage.

Again, the perfect cover. And again - not saying all or even many gays would be inclined to this behaviour.

In fact i have a friend whose son is gay and works in LA (myself and friend are UK based). His gay son confided that there is a big pedo problem in the LA gay scene and its well known among that circle, and he worries terribly that if it comes out all gays will be bashed and judged the same.

What do you guys think?

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nomorepepperoni ago

I've been pointing out this possibility for some time (along with making clear that gays do not equal pedo). Pedos are weaponizing political correctness (in hiding behind LGBT) to hide their nefarious deeds and watering down instances where gays are legitimately being discriminated against (unfortunately this does still happen).

Good post.

GeorgeT ago

nomorepepperoni you nailed it. Few days ago, Russian priest said exactly that. That by pushing LGBT agenda, it opens gateway to all the vile perversions, hiding under the banner of equal rights.

nomorepepperoni ago

Nothing wrong with pushing for LGBT rights, but we have to keep a close eye for the pedo rats trying to infest the ship. And infest, they have. Poison the bastard pedo rats, rather than burn down the whole ship. Pardon my Trumpism, but OUT! OUT! OUT!

Votescam ago

There's no slippery slope here -- only uninformed people think that when a male coach sexually abuses a young male jock that it's because he's a homosexual. In reality, pedophilia is about AGE, not gender -- !!

Read something about pedophilia -- and understand that it is heterosexual males who sexually abuse our children, not homosexuals. http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Melitica ago

Not exactly. Pedophiles are highly gender specific. A pedophile who goes after young girls will almost never molest a boy and vice versa. There are very few cases of a pedophile who does not have a distinct gender preference.

Votescam ago

Yes -- they prefer boys or girls, but that doesn't make them homosexual nor bi-sexual.

Typologies of Offenders The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes. >

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

By contrast, other molesters are described as regressed. Regression is "a temporary or permanent appearance of primitive behavior after more mature forms of expression had been attained, regardless of whether the immature behavior was actually manifested earlier> in the individual's development" (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 177). Regressed offenders have developed an adult sexual orientation but under certain conditions (such as extreme stress) they return to an earlier, less mature psychological state and engage in sexual contact with children.>

For the present discussion, the important point is that many child molesters cannot be meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women. >

Also --

Other Approaches Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% of cases in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).>

Melitica ago

Dangerously stated. You are essentially making the case for pedophilia as a "sexual orientation", these are the same arguments.

Clearly an abnormality and some pedophiles don't have a gender preference, most do.

Two separate studies showed female-only preference 58%, male-only preference 14 to 25%, and bisexual/no preference 16 to 28%.

Paedophilia:Some Questions and Answers - Pedophiles can be of either sex or any sexual orientation, i.e., homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual. * Paedophilia:Some Questions and Answers, London: Paedophilic Informational Exchange, 1978

"This division has been accepted by pedophiles themselves" * FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin 53 January 1984

Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy - study on the prevalence of heterosexual and homosexual pedophilia, indicates adjusted percentage of homosexual pedophiles is 34% or 10 times that of homosexual population. * Kurt Freund, Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality, Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 1984 Freund, K, and Watson, R. J., The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Paedophiles among Sex Offenders against Children: an Exploratory Study, Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 1992

Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa - The findings of previous studies report that pedophiles can be divided into heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles according to their erotic preference....classified homosexual pedophilia into three types: the socially inadequate homosexual pedophile, the intrusive homosexual pedophile, and the undifferentiated homosexual pedophile.

Researchers have variously estimated the incidence of homosexual pedophilia between 19 percent and 33 percent of reported. * John M. W. Bradford, The Heterogeneity/Homogeneity of Pedophilia, Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa 1988

Behavior Research and Therapy - The second, and perhaps the most important observation we made, is that a homosexual an a heterosexual subgroup can be delineated among these offenders. * W. L. Marshall, Sexual Offenders against Male Children: Sexual Preferences, Behavior Research and Therapy 1991

Archives of Sexual Behavior - A study of 229 convicted child molesters found eighty-six percent of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. * W. D. Erickson, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, Archives of Sexual Behavior

Votescam ago

Mel -- Nonsense. What I am speaking against here is any notion that pedophiles who prefer males are homosexual. And, once again, if you haven't seen me post this -- our sexual abusers of children are male --- and they are heterosexual males. Heterosexual males are 100X more like to sexually abuse a child than a homosexual male.

"Focus on the Facts" -- Sean Cahill, PH.D

A 1998 Study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of pedophiles are men, and 95% of these individuals are heterosexual.

Research has indicated that gay men and lesbians are less likely than heterosexual to sexually abuse children.

Perhaps the most egregious and damaging claim promulgated by anti-gay groups is the claim that homosexuality is intrinsically linked to pedophilia and child sexual abuse. The social science research on sexual orientation and child sexual abuse clearly disproves the claim that homosexuals are more likely to molest children.

A 1998 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of pedophiles are men, and 95% of these individuals are heterosexual. One researcher explained this statistic by noting, "Gay men desire consensual sexual relations with other adult men. Pedophiles are usually adult men who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. They are rarely sexually attracted to other adults. In fact, research has indicated that gay men and lesbians are LESS likely than heterosexuals to sexually abuse children. Two studies that examined the sexual orientation of convicted child molesters found that less than 1% in one study and 0% in the other were lesbian or gay. One psychologist reviewed the existing social science literature on the relationship between sexuality and child sexual abuse and found that "a gay man is no more likely than a straight man to perpetrate sexual activity with children." Further, "cases of perpetration of sexual behavior with a pre-pubescent child by an adult lesbian are virtually nonexistent."

Gay rights activists, like all advocates for children's welfare, oppose child sexual abuse and support equitable age of consent laws that help prevent and punish such abuse.

At least 110,000 children are waiting to be adopted in the US. Approximately 588,00 children are currently in foster care. Barring gay men and lesbians from adopting or foster parenting decreases the number of potential suitable homes for children in need.

Children who remain in foster care for much of their childhood, as do tens of thousands of American children, are more likely to have emotional problems. Some children in foster care live in 20 or more homes by the time they reach the age of 18. Barring gay men and lesbians from adopting or foster parenting is not simply unjust and unethical; it also decreases the number of potential suitable homes for children in need.

Research shows that children raised by gay and lesbian parents are not disadvantaged vis-a-vis their peers raised by heterosexual parents.

Footnote 65 -- p.123

A review of 352 medical records of children evaluated for sexual abuse during a 12-month period at a Denver children's hospital found that less than 1% had been abused by a gay man or a lesbian. Of 269 adult perpetrators of child abuse identified among the 352 cases of abuse, only two were gay or lesbian. The vast majority of the children in the study (82%) "were suspected of being abused by a man or a woman who was, or had been, in a heterosexual relationship with a relative of the child." And the review concluded that in this sample, " a child's risk of being molested by his or her relative's heterosexual partner is over 100X greater [than the risk of being molested] by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual."

Jenny, C., and Roesler, T.A. (1994)

Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics. 94(1).p.44.

In an earlier study of convicted male child molesters in Massachusetts, none of the 175 men were found to have an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation or to be primarily attracted to other adult men.

Groth, A.N., and Birnbaum, H.J. (1978).

Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons.

Archives of Sexual Behavior.7(3).pp.175-181.

Also : The right-wing "Family Research Council" notes/confirms findings that "almost all child sexual abuse is committed by men.">

What pedophiles are trying to push is that pedophilia is a sexual orientation similar to heterosexuality, bi-sexuality and homosexuality. Since there is a victim involved with pedophilia (child molestation) it is criminal activity and not a sexual orientation. Assaulting and molesting children is a crime with real victims. And, even worse, what the world is dealing with in pedo-gate is that these child molesters also very often murder children and practice Satanic Rituals/Torture on them.

What you seem to be misunderstanding and confusing is that sexual orientation is not the same as gender preference in pedophiles. Pedophilia is not about gender of the perpetrator nor the victim, it's about the age of the victim.

The studies and research I've read argues against this conclusion ....

Behavior Research and Therapy - The second, and perhaps the most important observation we made, is that a homosexual an a heterosexual subgroup can be delineated among these offenders.>

That would be trying to judge the sexual orientation of the criminal according to the gender of the victim. That's inane. And I think we all understand that.

We also know that our sexual abusers of children are MALES -- even right wing women's groups agree with that.

What you're reciting is based in myths of homosexual behavior which is largely the work of the RCC.

Quite to the contrary, homosexuals seek adult relationships with other homosexual males.

From time to time women are involved in sexual abuse of children. However, that usually occurs when the female comes under the influence of a heterosexual male. Nuns give us a good example of that kind of behavior, though 40% of nuns themselves have been abused by Catholic priests. Some in violent attacks.