I WONDER.... Elton John, Gay Marriage as Pedo Camouflage, and the Uncomfortable Connection Between Homosexuality and Paedophilia (pizzagate)

submitted ago by RedGreenAlliance

Controversial but much needed post was HERE. I urge sensitivity but also honest reflection.

There is an undeniable link between homosexuality and paedophilia. We might hate it, we might feel uncomfortable admitting it, but it is there and its undeniable. But it is also true that it does not reflect on ALL gays, not by any stretch.

These two facts are not mutually exclusive and can both be true.

Let me tell you my experience as a Social Worker who worked in child protection, childrens homes, mental health units and sex offenders (probation) hostels.

Almost all the pedos were male. Thats well established. Almost all were of a character type and personality that if you didn't know their crimes, you would peg them as gay. Their mannerisms, behaviour, speech, interests - all the hallmarks. Some were openly gay. Some during counselling admitted to homosexual relationships, often with much older men when they were teens or young adults struggling with their sexual identity. Its also true that in prisons, hostels such as i worked in, there were lots of sexual relationships between men who were 'paedophiles'. So the two sexual persuasions are not mutually exclusive either, nor are they necessarily together. But there were far more gays within the client group i worked with, paedophiles, than there were 'straight' men. In fact the majority of paedophiles i worked with were men who were attracted to boys, which various research puts at a ration of 2:1 more homosexual:heterosexual paedphiles.

These are all uncomfortable trues, self-evident in my working life. If anyone finds that offensive, NOT SORRY, its time to separate your emotional reaction and politically correct impulses with an honest, objective look at factual evidence.

If i were a paedophile - I know what my strategy would be. I would gravitate to the LGBT community where i can always obfuscate who i really am, and can hide behind the shield of political correctness and LGBT victimhood narratives. would also know that there are going to be LOTS of other like minded men in that community who i would end up in contact with - either to form relationships, to colaborate on grooming victims, to swap notes and contacts and 'material'. And yes if i was a sick psychopathic pedo, I'd consider a mutualy beneficial 'gay marriage' with another pedo, so that i could adopt - preferably very young and or foreign born - children. Its the perfect setup. Who would challenge or accuse me in this PC-obsessed world?

THE EXAMPLE OF ELTON JOHN

Please do not assume I am convicted Elton John of anything. I am merely correlating various known facts, 'red flags', accusations and scandals and presenting them as an archetype of what might be going on.

Here's looking at you Elton John - who is in a gay marriage and adopted two SONS. and also has 10 GOD CHILDREN, most of them boys

He had paedophilic art seized by the UK police in 2007

He was accused of a proclivity for young rent boys in 1989, including accusations he diddled a 10 year old boy but he sued Rupert Murdoch successfully (not an acknowledgement of innocence but that's another debate).

In 2014 this article summarised a number of pedo related suspicions

"My kids aren't stuck in a mansion - we go to PIZZA HUT"

Some of you might remember the precedent setting legal case he took out to prevent newspapers reporting a scandal in 2016 - called a 'super-injunction'. In short he had an orgy with at least one other man and his husband, while his tow adopted boys were in the house. The internet was awash with rumours that he was hosting orgies all the time and it was an open secret. The internet has been scrubbed of the details. MEMORY HOLED (to keep in line with the current Orwellian mood). I don't have the time to find and its getting late in the UK.

So whats my point?

That YES YES YES it makes total sense for pedos, be they homosexually attracted pedos or not, to use gay marriage and then adoption as a front for child abuse. Totally. How widespread this is, who knows, but you would have to be an idiot to not see it logically fits. Does this reflect on all gays, absolutely not. I have met many. The shield of political correctness is incredibly powerful. I know from working in a PC-claustrophic environment (social work), that even with significant concerns - there would be FAR FAR less chance of anyone having the guts to investigate let alone accuse a gay couple than a straight couple, of abusing children in their care. This is because of fear of the automatic pushback "you are only saying that because you are prejudiced, gays being pedophiles is an old myth". In fact in PC-mad Britain, you would probably be shut down or even fired for discussing your concerns with colleagues.

IN SHORT - you would have far more cover being in a gay marriage, than if you were in a heterosexual marriage.

Again, the perfect cover. And again - not saying all or even many gays would be inclined to this behaviour.

In fact i have a friend whose son is gay and works in LA (myself and friend are UK based). His gay son confided that there is a big pedo problem in the LA gay scene and its well known among that circle, and he worries terribly that if it comes out all gays will be bashed and judged the same.

What do you guys think?

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Votescam ago

Whoa. . . . that is a myth cooked up by male-supremacist religion to hide the reality that the sexual abusers of our children are MALE and they are HETEROSEXUAL males.

Heterosexual males are 100X more likely to sexually abuse a child than a homosexual.

It's very easy to lie to the public about pedophilia because many automatically assume that if a pedophile is a male and sexually assaults a young male that this is about homosexuality -- but it is NOT.

Pedophilia is about the AGE of the victim -- not the gender -- !!

Here's one of the studies done on this subject -- but there is no way that Mothers/parents can protect their children from pedophiles unless they understand WHO those pedophiles are. And, again, they are MALE (which even right wing women's groups agree with) and they are heterosexual males according to studies ...

QUOTE --

"Focus on the Facts" -- Sean Cahill, PH.D

A 1998 Study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of pedophiles are men, and 95% of these individuals are heterosexual.

Research has indicated that gay men and lesbians are less likely than heterosexual to sexually abuse children.

Perhaps the most egregious and damaging claim promulgated by anti-gay groups is the claim that homosexuality is intrinsically linked to pedophilia and child sexual abuse. The social science research on sexual orientation and child sexual abuse clearly disproves the claim that homosexuals are more likely to molest children.

A 1998 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of pedophiles are men, and 95% of these individuals are heterosexual. One researcher explained this statistic by noting, "Gay men desire consensual sexual relations with other adult men. Pedophiles are usually adult men who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. They are rarely sexually attracted to other adults. In fact, research has indicated that gay men and lesbians are LESS likely than heterosexuals to sexually abuse children. Two studies that examined the sexual orientation of convicted child molesters found that less than 1% in one study and 0% in the other were lesbian or gay. One psychologist reviewed the existing social science literature on the relationship between sexuality and child sexual abuse and found that "a gay man is no more likely than a straight man to perpetrate sexual activity with children." Further, "cases of perpetration of sexual behavior with a pre-pubescent child by an adult lesbian are virtually nonexistent."

Gay rights activists, like all advocates for children's welfare, oppose child sexual abuse and support equitable age of consent laws that help prevent and punish such abuse.

At least 110,000 children are waiting to be adopted in the US. Approximately 588,00 children are currently in foster care. Barring gay men and lesbians from adopting or foster parenting decreases the number of potential suitable homes for children in need.

Children who remain in foster care for much of their childhood, as do tens of thousands of American children, are more likely to have emotional problems. Some children in foster care live in 20 or more homes by the time they reach the age of 18. Barring gay men and lesbians from adopting or foster parenting is not simply unjust and unethical; it also decreases the number of potential suitable homes for children in need.

Research shows that children raised by gay and lesbian parents are not disadvantaged vis-a-vis their peers raised by heterosexual parents.

Footnote 65 -- p.123

A review of 352 medical records of children evaluated for sexual abuse during a 12-month period at a Denver children's hospital found that less than 1% had been abused by a gay man or a lesbian. Of 269 adult perpetrators of child abuse identified among the 352 cases of abuse, only two were gay or lesbian. The vast majority of the children in the study (82%) "were suspected of being abused by a man or a woman who was, or had been, in a heterosexual relationship with a relative of the child." And the review concluded that in this sample, " a child's risk of being molested by his or her relative's heterosexual partner is over 100X greater [than the risk of being molested] by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual."

Jenny, C., and Roesler, T.A. (1994)

Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics. 94(1).p.44.

In an earlier study of convicted male child molesters in Massachusetts, none of the 175 men were found to have an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation or to be primarily attracted to other adult men.

Groth, A.N., and Birnbaum, H.J. (1978).

Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons.

Archives of Sexual Behavior.7(3).pp.175-181.

Also : The right-wing "Family Research Council" notes/confirms findings that "almost all child sexual abuse is committed by men."

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virtuous_pedophobe ago

You people have to pervert everything, including logic and science, right?

I had a discussion with a LGBT-advocate once who used the same "argument" as you, in the course of the argument it turned out that he just defined that underage sex between males is not homosexual. Your own source exposes the madness:

"In an earlier study of convicted male child molesters in Massachusetts, none of the 175 men were found to have an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation or to be primarily attracted to other adult men."

So child molesters are not exclusively attracted to adults! What a great insight!

These lies have worked for Kinsey, because at that time people still believed in PhDs, but now everybody can see through your lies. Also the universities have been run down so much that no sane person would believe a PhD in "gender studies" or other pseudo-scientific nonsense.

Votescam ago

virtuous -- Who are "you people"? This is not my argument -- this is based on studies. And there are many more of them.

If you re-read the quote you commented on --

"In an earlier study of convicted male child molesters in Massachusetts, none of the 175 men were found to have an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation or to be primarily attracted to other adult men.">

What they are telling you that in the category of "child molesters" the convicted males were not homosexuals.

There is a general category of "child molester" which some break down to pedophile/preferential and child molester/situational. The first are attracted only to pre-pubescent children, though there are varied age preferences. The second are heterosexual males whose preference is to have sex with adult females, but who will sexually abuse children in certain situations of stress. Summing up, they are telling you that NONE of the 175 child molesters were homosexual.

Here's some further info on studies which you can also ignore --

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Public belief in the stereotype The number of Americans who believe the myth that gay people are child molesters has declined substantially. In a 1970 national survey, more than 70% of respondents agreed with the assertions that "Homosexuals are dangerous as teachers or youth leaders because they try to get sexually involved with children" or that "Homosexuals try to play sexually with children if they cannot get an adult partner."1 By contrast, in a 1999 national poll, the belief that most gay men are likely to molest or abuse children was endorsed by only 19% of heterosexual men and 10% of heterosexual women. Even fewer – 9% of men and 6% of women – regarded most lesbians as child molesters. Consistent with these findings, Gallup polls have found that an increasing number of Americans would allow gay people to be elementary school teachers. For example, the proportion was 54% in 2005, compared to 27% in 1977.

Typologies of Offenders The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

For the present discussion, the important point is that many child molesters cannot be meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women.

Other Approaches Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% of cases in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).

The Mainstream View Reflecting the results of these and other studies, as well as clinical experience, the mainstream view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child sexual abuse is that homosexual and bisexual men do not pose any special threat to children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:

Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).

Nothing there by Kinsey, btw -- but we should also note that Sigmund Freud - also now thought to have been a child molester -- betrayed science and his own patients who had confided in him their sexual abuse by males in their families: fathers, grandfathers, uncles, cousins and male friends of the family. In the Oedipus Complex, Freud makes the outrageous suggestion that it is infants, toddlers and young children who the sexual aggressors against adult males in their family. That is corrupt and perverted science that should be not only dismissed but exposed for its lies.

virtuous_pedophobe ago

"You people" are those that believe any perversion should be of equal status and social acceptance as the marriage, which is the institution for raising children.

Yeah, and then you tell me you care about children.

OK, but on to your points: Basically all you have is an appeal to authority. Some studies and an article from a college.

If you look at the Wikipedia list of serial killers by numbers of victims, you get about half homosexual and heterosexual. Even when you look at celebrities, you see Mooshammer and Versace murdered by their "lovers" - yet no comparable thing for heterosexual celebrities except O.J. Simpson's wife. So even though male homosexuals are a small minority, they are mightily overrepresentated at murders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims

It's also highly remarkable how the homosexuals have "sanitized" the list:

For most the homosexuals, the victims are described as "street children" or "people". For heterosexuals they are described as "women" or "girls". This way, you get the impression that most of the serial killers are heterosexual. But I have looked at the articles and it's about equal, maybe 60-40 for either. Even 40% is a massive overrepresentation for homosexuals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims https://archive.is/4805d

For example, number one on the list, "Lous Gravito" is described in the list as having murdered "mostly street children", you have to go the main article to discover that he murdered "147 young boys". But probably he slept with a woman in his life and thus is counted as a heterosexual in your mind.

It is a fact that the homosexual "subculture" is extremely violent and contains numerous other perversions. For example, before Pizzagate, I was blessed to have never heard of the "gay handkerchief" code. Such a code is just not needed by heterosexuals because we would simply be disgusted.

Yes it can be between consenting adults and still be disgusting.

And the violence of course makes sense, too. If you have a disgusting sexual preference, it may be not so easy for you to find a willing partner, so of course rape will be common for these people.

And if you are not finding a willing partner, then of course children are the perfect victims because they can be so much easier controlled, manipulated and imprisoned.

If for example, if someone has a sexual perversion that is only gratifying for one partner and denigrating for the other (pick almost ANY on the "gay handkerchief" code), then there will be not enough (if any) people willing to gratify him. Thus it makes sense that he would start to look at children, because they would be more willing to "try something out" and may be easier manipulated into it.

I don't think that pedophiles are attracted to children in a way that is comparable to normal sexual attraction between a man and a woman. If you look at Podesta's pedophile art, it is basically again and again a show of helplessness. Basically the children in these pictures lie on the floor, completely helpless and weak - or dead.

I personally would even suggest that Podesta's art is more necrophiliac than pedophiliac, which makes it even worse and sickening.

So let's say someone is a necrophiliac. Maybe he is preferring adults, but children are the only way he can "express his sexual orientation", because adults are just hard to come by?

So please don't insult our intelligence by citing studies that conclude "The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% of cases in which an adult molester could be identified" - We both know that they use some weird classification system where they put "pedophiles" and "homosexuals" into different categories and require "exclusive attraction to adults" as a definition of the "homosexual" category, which of course is hard to achieve in a study about child molestiation. In that study, that means basically that 1-2% of people were homosexuals that molested children and didn't like it because afterwards they were still "exclusively attracted to adults".

You want studies that don't use this crazy definitions and use the commonly used definition (which is: homosexual = same-sex; heterosexual = different sex) then there are numerous studies that show that homosexuals are massively overrepresented in pedophilia:

https://rethinkingtheology.com/2012/10/22/links-between-homosexuality-and-pedophilia/

Of course, you will not accept those and claim that a pedophile cannot be homosexual by your definition.

You people are pathetic.

Votescam ago

Actually, those of us here -- and I mainly speak for myself -- are here to stand against perversions such as sexual abuse of children.

But seems clear that you are having a hard time with gay marriage approval. But I will point out to you that many homosexuals are making excellent parents -- both lesbians and gays.

When we see a "study" we are given to understand that those who have looked at the subject have some experience with it --

Why are you talking about murderers?
Do you think that pizzagate reports every year the number of children killed by pedophiles all over the world? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims

Are you talking about pedophiles killing "street children" who you assume are homosexuals?

And for your info, males are constantly killing females -- just take a look at the records. During the VN war while approximately 57,000 male soldiers were murdered, an equal number of females were killed in the US by their husbands or boyfriends. Right now women are "Under the Gun" with 6,410 women murdered in the US by an intimate partner using a gun. (2001-2012) Women in the US are 11X more likely to be murdered with a gun than are women in other high income countries. Is there a day in the US that goes by without seeing a report of a female murdered by a guy in her life? Ask women you may know if any of them have been physically harmed or their life threatened by some male they were married to or seeing. And, then of course ask them if they've ever been raped or sexually harassed.

First, let me point out to you that you're sounding a bit homophobic and obsessed and that we are not discussing murder we are discussing the sexual orientation of pedophiles -- and why so many child molesters are shown to be male heterosexuals. However, it seems glaringly obvious that the case you recite of "Louis Gravito" seems to be a pedophile. You also don't seem able to keep in your mind that these are not my studies/reports, they are the reports of officials conducting studies.

Despite your obsession, you will find that homosexuals have just as many adult and working relationships as heterosexuals couples do.

And I think you'll also come to realize that insults don't help your debate.

virtuous_pedophobe ago

I don't assume anything, I looked up the individual articles.

And please stop your lies. The phrase "with a gun" is irrelevant and only used to distort. Nobody cares whether somebody is killed "with a gun" or "without a gun".

I only stated facts, if that is insulting then that is your problem.

Votescam ago

True -- "with a gun" is irrelevant because the subject is murder of women and they are killed by males in their lives -- heterosexual males -- who use many different means, including the old standby, strangulation.

But, guns have become handier, obviously, as we can see from the daily news reports of murder of women.