Some of the info was already posted, but the Q and A at the bottom explains Trumps plan for pedogate, who is against him and what the stakes are. http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=66463
Sneak peek....Q. So PedoGate is real and “they” have to get Americans to disbelieve it?
A. Let me explain how threatening PedoGate is… Who wins? Trump. Putin. Americans. Russians. The world…. Who loses? Israel, since they no longer can blackmail our politicians, the same goes for the CIA. The Shadow Government loses. But, the people win.
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VieBleu ago
Three days ago here I posted in a comment -
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1653207/8084265
Above, we get this -
So I called it, which I think I should document as good analysis on a tricky subject that had everyone's attention for days.
Next I said, " I also think WorldCorp is some kind of psy-op, not sure which side."
The WorldCorp site and the Heavy Breathing videos share a similar trash aesthetic, and goal - to degrade the population and entrain it. If I had to come down on one side or another, I'd say the WorldCorp site, it's material, and the JP Father video, is black hat CIA. Or a mix of white hats leaking video from the black hat site. Which means I still really can't decide. It was pushed very very heavily. Who was pushing it/selling it to us?
VieBleu ago
Also notice this quote from the state of the nation article -
At the Special session that Kutcher spoke at, McCain insulted him in passing, saying he was better looking on tv (pedo comment?) and Kutcher responded by throwing an air kiss. Some here have seized on this as "proving" Kutcher is in bed with pedos. I firmly disagree. This was a "kiss my ass" response from an actor who is used to scrutiny and knows how to "kill" with kindness so to speak. I think Kutcher is firmly in the camp of actually taking down pedos. The shillery on this site is strong, and untrusted characters seem to pop up out of nowhere to constantly discredit anyone who lifts their head above the crowd to work on busting or spreading the word about pedogate - Kutcher, Seaman, RoseAnne even IsThisGameOfThrones.
Unless there is verifyable and directly connected evidence of wrongdoing, I think we should strongly support those who take a non-anonymous stance in our favor.
Kristina_Gilliam ago
Kutcher was on Real Time with Bill Maher in 2008. He said the election was a tough choice for him as he liked McCain and Obama which really confused Bill and his audience.
DeathToMasons ago
Anybody that knows anything about the reality of what has been going on in the world would know that Obama and McCain are on the same team and pupett's pf the deep state. That was a hard choice for Kutcher? Hopefully he is just an airhead, uninformed or gullible. I am guessing he is the usual celebrity asset shilling for the masters.
micha_ ago
You obviously don't know that video: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1654123
Demi has huge problems and judging from that video obviously is not mentally healthy, has no normal sexuality and is instable. After watching that video I rewatched Kutcher's presentation and that changed my mind: his feelings are not authentic - nothing is authentic.
VieBleu ago
I'll take a look. I do agree right off the bat that Demi is unstable and especially went through a black period before and after her divorce. But I do not think that makes her a Satanic ritual abuser.
I don't agree that nothing is authentic. You and I are very real ; ). and my heart goes out to you. It is not quite that bad. and we will win. we will win together.
EDIT: I already saw the whole video. Here is what i wrote about it elsewhere
To be honest, no, I don't think being a drunk attractive girl who is used to everyone in the world thinking she is the bomb in 1985 grabbing a kid and over smooching him is strange. I have known such types and in their world it seems that they can do no wrong. I actually believe it was of a harmless intent. In fact what I think is that it was not premeditated at all and dizzily for one second thought she was giving the kid a sort of "birthday present" that he'd remember forever, his first kiss or something along those lines. At that time we were just coming out of a hedonistic period and people were totally untrained in ideas about power imbalances, grooming, and innapropriate touching, handling and such. Not saying that is alright, it was just a different era.
crazimal ago
Ashton Kweefer is tainted in my opinion but I mostly agree -- to a point. Perhaps he can be a "truthful idiot" for pizzagate/pedogate
VieBleu ago
crazimal you are sane in my book lol
Azagthoth ago
Explain to me what is with Demi Moor kissing little 10 year old boys with lustful eyes? You cant. Because they are all in on it. Dont trust Holiwood lol
VieBleu ago
It is her son, right? Or have I got that wrong?
This whole "they are ALL in on it. Don't trust Hollywood" gets to be too much. Do you know how many working people live in Hollywood running on a rat wheel to make ends meet? I am from there. Not every single person is a pedophile because of geographic location, even higher profile people. I don't think Demi Moore is in ot it. I think she was drunk and did something really gross and stupid but I don't think she rapes infants and drinks their blood, which is the blackmail program for power. Sorry, just my opinion. If any better evidence suraces I'll be happy to take a look at it, but this stuff is lame Like the argument "Kutchner dated his wife when she was underage" Yeah, they were both younger once.
Azagthoth ago
She was 19 at the time. The kid was like 9 or 10. So not quite, bucko mothafucko
VieBleu ago
don't start getting crude. This forum is for discussion not just singing a chorus of "YES!!!!" Skepticism is valued and your lack of it coupled with an aggro obscene response only casts doubt on you bucko.
adding: whatever Demi Moore did 30 years ago at a birthday party in front of a camera is not going to convince anyone but the feeble minded that that is proof that Ashton Kutcher is today lieing at a Congressional session about an anti-trafficking effort.
What makes me suspicious, the only thing I've seen yet, is his kind words for McCain, who I revile. That's it.
jv209 ago
it's not going to convince anyone, but that video with Demi Moore makes you go WTF, is this chick MK ultra'd out of her mind or just underage drinking and acting sloppy? Someone claimed the kid she kissed/made out with was 15, but the kid looks like he's no older than 12 and it's just weird. if you flip the genders and have a 19 year old man do that to a 12-16 year old girl in public, he gets his face caved in and then a jail sentence.
VieBleu ago
absolutely it is replusive and the kid is just confused. The problem I have is that this is being used to smear Kutcher, I suspect because they can't find anything more convincing on him.
She's young (under 20 I've been told) drunk, it's 30+ years ago and it is fully on camera in a well lit restaurant in front of a bunch of friends and family at a birthday party. I can give anybody 1 pass under these circumstances. This doesn't smear Kutcher. Everybody should live their life under a microscope going back decades and see how well they come off.
I agree the kid looks young, maybe 12. Even if he is fifteen it looks weird and wrong.
jv209 ago
Don't you think the fact that such behavior is condoned out in the open is kind of strange though? that's sets off at least yellow flags in my book. I don't trust anyone or anything at this point, but like you said I can't condemn or smear Ashton over the actions of someone else 20 years ago. It is in the back of my mind though.
VieBleu ago
To be honest, no, I don't think being a drunk attractive girl who is used to everyone in the world thinking she is the bomb in 1985 grabbing a kid and over smooching him is strange. I have known such types and in their world it seems that they can do no wrong. I actually believe it was of a harmless intent. In fact what I think is that it was not premeditated at all and dizzily for one second thought she was giving the kid a sort of "birthday present" that he'd remember forever, his first kiss or something along those lines. At that time we were just coming out of a hedonistic period and people were totally untrained in ideas about power imbalances, grooming, and innapropriate touching, handling and such. Not saying that is alright, it was just a different era.
Phenomenonanon ago
I disagree. Here's why https://youtu.be/FVRJ0UuyHMo
VieBleu ago
Thanks for posting this - I definitely learned something.
First though I disagree with the poster for several reasons, and she does say right up front that this is just her opinion, so fair enough. This is just mine.
Ok that's what makes me suspicious. The video OP could continue to do her somersaults of assertions and emotive "truths" and have no impact, but I didn't know Kutchner actually sent this valentine to McCain, besides the air kiss.
Yes, now I am suspicious. But the analysis on the video I am sorry to say is just an opinion, presented as entraining, and repels me.
A hard look at the McCain foundation is what is called for.