I am pretty sure that most people on "the left" want criminals and corruption routed, do you really think that mothers and grandmothers and sisters (the pussy hat contingent) really support pedofuckers? That's just irrational. If the left listened more carefully they would realize that they align with Trumps campaign issues better than HRC did (antiwar especially). So we will see what he actually does. To date, the media has disallowed and scrubbed all of our pizzagate evidence. The right would have screamed the same if GWB/DC were arrested for war crimes for 9/11, the msm (cia) is fighting this tooth and nail, and alleged soros funded riots is working to provoke mayhem. Please give people more credit, when they see the evidence they will be horrified (your MK ultra conditioned suicide risk victims aside, that is a valid point). My emphasis is that the left and right are NOT each others enemy and we should stop using that divisive concept. You are very right that so many here had a lot of depression and existential crisis waking up to this and we should use this opportunity to create a brand new inclusive centrist political paradigm that works for the peoples interest.
I don't know how many lefties (by my definition, 30-35% of the populace) you are around on a daily basis. The one's I've seen have been in full on irrational meltdown. And I am talking about the ones with degrees, kids, jobs, and paychecks. Not the "Occupy Wallstreet" Bernie Bros.
I agree with the criticism. Your obvious biases regarding leftists are unfortunate. You see in swaths of generalizations. PIzzagate is not owned by conservatives, Christians, libertarians, Trump Republicans or any other one group. It is a travesty from which the entire population suffers and reels.
I'm not saying there isn't a type of behavior that has been seen since the "shock" of Hillary's loss that was drummed into the public's heads by the media, it's just that all sides and everyone in between are susceptible to emotional not rational thinking. You've seen an Alex Jones rant, right?
I know you post is well-meaning and I agree with a lot of it. I have no doubt that the media does behave in ways that can be generalized. We had 8 years of a liberal establishment and they gave into the worst of human greed and lust for power, so yes leftists have a lot to hide and cover up right now. But beware your smugness - 8 years of conservative power may very well yield a similar result. Power corrupts. It is as a population that we have strength, and by constantly generalizing and denigrating vast swaths of that population and believing that only your little slice of people are the real, good people, you back yourself into your own bubble of perception deception.
That said, basically I agree with a lot of what your are saying specific to a backlash about pizzagate arrests at this time- I just don't agree with the demonization and condescension towards large portions of your fellow countrymen. The biggest problem is that the media is by and large still trusted.
I also personally seriously doubt that HRC, Podestas, McCain, Feinstein, Pelosi or many of the high and mighty are going to be arrested. I'll believe it when I see it. These people have way too many layers between them and criminal networks that they enable. It would take actual photos of bloodletting sacrifice and sex with their faces visible to get them arrested. (However, I am optimistic that over time, organ and maybe drug trafficking and racketeering charges may apply and go through the courts on some of them. It would take tenacity though.)
That's all nice hyperbole, but please tell me what I said was wrong? I'm not talking the moderate-left. I'm talking about the spectral left-third of the US that is hard left, aka lefty. Just as there are hard-Rs. All I am doing is pointing out observations - The bulk of everyone implicated thus far, by PG research, indicates that this is a predominately left issue. Sure there will be some Repubs caught up in this. But I bet the split is 90/10 when all is said and done.
With all due respect, there is nothing that says you can't be conservative and still be passionate about environmental, human, women's rights. You may want to reconsider about identifying as a "liberal". It may have some very nasty connotations in the coming years.
I don't identify as a liberal. Don't start talking about witchunts on liberals now. Are you really going to go "politically correct" as a conservative and say the word liberal is a dirty word? You will become the very thing you think you fight. And believe it or not I'm on your side, our side. I just want our side to be stronger than partisan generalizations. It's a kind of discrimination based on shortcut thinking, which is ultimately a weakness. Overall though I upvoted your post because it is a good topic. It is also admittedly a difficult topic - how do we continue to live and relate to other americans and family and collegues who live in a completely naive and removed universe? Not by automatically assuming they are all emotional. They are misled, but not broken, I hope..
Edited to Add: Pizzagate is ultimately about compassion - caring enough about those children and even the ones that came before them that may be perps now to actually do something. That compassion can't be frozen and dropped by the wayside when it comes to soft vicitims which are the entire public culture - created by the media and the worst black ops players. And no, we will find out that ultimately there are baddies from either side of the isle and it will be even, not mostly liberal. At that level they switch sides anyway, look at Arianna Huffington, at David Brock. No one side holds the power of good.
OK, fair enough. I know it becomes ingrained confirmation bias at some point. What amazes me is that you can put all of the facts and research in front of any open-minded, logical person and they would likely come to the same conclusions as most of us have. But if you put this in front of an "unbeliever" for lack of a better word, you will get ridiculed, laughed at, spit at, possibly shot at.
And we are all on the same side, or we wouldn't be here. This forum has been beyond amazingly non-partisan, shill divisionary tactics notwithstanding.
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2impendingdoom ago
I am pretty sure that most people on "the left" want criminals and corruption routed, do you really think that mothers and grandmothers and sisters (the pussy hat contingent) really support pedofuckers? That's just irrational. If the left listened more carefully they would realize that they align with Trumps campaign issues better than HRC did (antiwar especially). So we will see what he actually does. To date, the media has disallowed and scrubbed all of our pizzagate evidence. The right would have screamed the same if GWB/DC were arrested for war crimes for 9/11, the msm (cia) is fighting this tooth and nail, and alleged soros funded riots is working to provoke mayhem. Please give people more credit, when they see the evidence they will be horrified (your MK ultra conditioned suicide risk victims aside, that is a valid point). My emphasis is that the left and right are NOT each others enemy and we should stop using that divisive concept. You are very right that so many here had a lot of depression and existential crisis waking up to this and we should use this opportunity to create a brand new inclusive centrist political paradigm that works for the peoples interest.
Blacksmith21 ago
I don't know how many lefties (by my definition, 30-35% of the populace) you are around on a daily basis. The one's I've seen have been in full on irrational meltdown. And I am talking about the ones with degrees, kids, jobs, and paychecks. Not the "Occupy Wallstreet" Bernie Bros.
VieBleu ago
I agree with the criticism. Your obvious biases regarding leftists are unfortunate. You see in swaths of generalizations. PIzzagate is not owned by conservatives, Christians, libertarians, Trump Republicans or any other one group. It is a travesty from which the entire population suffers and reels.
I'm not saying there isn't a type of behavior that has been seen since the "shock" of Hillary's loss that was drummed into the public's heads by the media, it's just that all sides and everyone in between are susceptible to emotional not rational thinking. You've seen an Alex Jones rant, right?
I know you post is well-meaning and I agree with a lot of it. I have no doubt that the media does behave in ways that can be generalized. We had 8 years of a liberal establishment and they gave into the worst of human greed and lust for power, so yes leftists have a lot to hide and cover up right now. But beware your smugness - 8 years of conservative power may very well yield a similar result. Power corrupts. It is as a population that we have strength, and by constantly generalizing and denigrating vast swaths of that population and believing that only your little slice of people are the real, good people, you back yourself into your own bubble of perception deception.
That said, basically I agree with a lot of what your are saying specific to a backlash about pizzagate arrests at this time- I just don't agree with the demonization and condescension towards large portions of your fellow countrymen. The biggest problem is that the media is by and large still trusted.
I also personally seriously doubt that HRC, Podestas, McCain, Feinstein, Pelosi or many of the high and mighty are going to be arrested. I'll believe it when I see it. These people have way too many layers between them and criminal networks that they enable. It would take actual photos of bloodletting sacrifice and sex with their faces visible to get them arrested. (However, I am optimistic that over time, organ and maybe drug trafficking and racketeering charges may apply and go through the courts on some of them. It would take tenacity though.)
Blacksmith21 ago
That's all nice hyperbole, but please tell me what I said was wrong? I'm not talking the moderate-left. I'm talking about the spectral left-third of the US that is hard left, aka lefty. Just as there are hard-Rs. All I am doing is pointing out observations - The bulk of everyone implicated thus far, by PG research, indicates that this is a predominately left issue. Sure there will be some Repubs caught up in this. But I bet the split is 90/10 when all is said and done.
With all due respect, there is nothing that says you can't be conservative and still be passionate about environmental, human, women's rights. You may want to reconsider about identifying as a "liberal". It may have some very nasty connotations in the coming years.
VieBleu ago
I don't identify as a liberal. Don't start talking about witchunts on liberals now. Are you really going to go "politically correct" as a conservative and say the word liberal is a dirty word? You will become the very thing you think you fight. And believe it or not I'm on your side, our side. I just want our side to be stronger than partisan generalizations. It's a kind of discrimination based on shortcut thinking, which is ultimately a weakness. Overall though I upvoted your post because it is a good topic. It is also admittedly a difficult topic - how do we continue to live and relate to other americans and family and collegues who live in a completely naive and removed universe? Not by automatically assuming they are all emotional. They are misled, but not broken, I hope..
Edited to Add: Pizzagate is ultimately about compassion - caring enough about those children and even the ones that came before them that may be perps now to actually do something. That compassion can't be frozen and dropped by the wayside when it comes to soft vicitims which are the entire public culture - created by the media and the worst black ops players. And no, we will find out that ultimately there are baddies from either side of the isle and it will be even, not mostly liberal. At that level they switch sides anyway, look at Arianna Huffington, at David Brock. No one side holds the power of good.
Blacksmith21 ago
OK, fair enough. I know it becomes ingrained confirmation bias at some point. What amazes me is that you can put all of the facts and research in front of any open-minded, logical person and they would likely come to the same conclusions as most of us have. But if you put this in front of an "unbeliever" for lack of a better word, you will get ridiculed, laughed at, spit at, possibly shot at.
And we are all on the same side, or we wouldn't be here. This forum has been beyond amazingly non-partisan, shill divisionary tactics notwithstanding.