I am pretty sure that most people on "the left" want criminals and corruption routed, do you really think that mothers and grandmothers and sisters (the pussy hat contingent) really support pedofuckers? That's just irrational. If the left listened more carefully they would realize that they align with Trumps campaign issues better than HRC did (antiwar especially). So we will see what he actually does. To date, the media has disallowed and scrubbed all of our pizzagate evidence. The right would have screamed the same if GWB/DC were arrested for war crimes for 9/11, the msm (cia) is fighting this tooth and nail, and alleged soros funded riots is working to provoke mayhem. Please give people more credit, when they see the evidence they will be horrified (your MK ultra conditioned suicide risk victims aside, that is a valid point). My emphasis is that the left and right are NOT each others enemy and we should stop using that divisive concept. You are very right that so many here had a lot of depression and existential crisis waking up to this and we should use this opportunity to create a brand new inclusive centrist political paradigm that works for the peoples interest.
I don't know how many lefties (by my definition, 30-35% of the populace) you are around on a daily basis. The one's I've seen have been in full on irrational meltdown. And I am talking about the ones with degrees, kids, jobs, and paychecks. Not the "Occupy Wallstreet" Bernie Bros.
If you know the tricks its easy to neutralise their arguments without it getting heated. You just remind them that political correctness emerged out of the Humanist movement, and then ask what more important Humanist goal is there than the protection of children? Therefore, join us in the protection of children and be reaquainted with your Humanist roots.
Because at the end of the day this is why the Left are in such a hole - the overzealous pursuit of cherrypicked PC aspirations has led them to not be able to see the Humanist woods for the Politically Correct trees
And Pizzagate/Pedogate is the absolute perfect/ideal historical twist to demonstrate their unwitting departure from Humanist cause (along with them attacking freedom of speech and democracy)
I agree with the criticism. Your obvious biases regarding leftists are unfortunate. You see in swaths of generalizations. PIzzagate is not owned by conservatives, Christians, libertarians, Trump Republicans or any other one group. It is a travesty from which the entire population suffers and reels.
I'm not saying there isn't a type of behavior that has been seen since the "shock" of Hillary's loss that was drummed into the public's heads by the media, it's just that all sides and everyone in between are susceptible to emotional not rational thinking. You've seen an Alex Jones rant, right?
I know you post is well-meaning and I agree with a lot of it. I have no doubt that the media does behave in ways that can be generalized. We had 8 years of a liberal establishment and they gave into the worst of human greed and lust for power, so yes leftists have a lot to hide and cover up right now. But beware your smugness - 8 years of conservative power may very well yield a similar result. Power corrupts. It is as a population that we have strength, and by constantly generalizing and denigrating vast swaths of that population and believing that only your little slice of people are the real, good people, you back yourself into your own bubble of perception deception.
That said, basically I agree with a lot of what your are saying specific to a backlash about pizzagate arrests at this time- I just don't agree with the demonization and condescension towards large portions of your fellow countrymen. The biggest problem is that the media is by and large still trusted.
I also personally seriously doubt that HRC, Podestas, McCain, Feinstein, Pelosi or many of the high and mighty are going to be arrested. I'll believe it when I see it. These people have way too many layers between them and criminal networks that they enable. It would take actual photos of bloodletting sacrifice and sex with their faces visible to get them arrested. (However, I am optimistic that over time, organ and maybe drug trafficking and racketeering charges may apply and go through the courts on some of them. It would take tenacity though.)
Thanks for that post, I cringe when I see people refer to Hillary supporters as the 'left'. They are to the right standards of western society. Only their superficial identity politics are liberal.
That's all nice hyperbole, but please tell me what I said was wrong? I'm not talking the moderate-left. I'm talking about the spectral left-third of the US that is hard left, aka lefty. Just as there are hard-Rs. All I am doing is pointing out observations - The bulk of everyone implicated thus far, by PG research, indicates that this is a predominately left issue. Sure there will be some Repubs caught up in this. But I bet the split is 90/10 when all is said and done.
With all due respect, there is nothing that says you can't be conservative and still be passionate about environmental, human, women's rights. You may want to reconsider about identifying as a "liberal". It may have some very nasty connotations in the coming years.
I don't identify as a liberal. Don't start talking about witchunts on liberals now. Are you really going to go "politically correct" as a conservative and say the word liberal is a dirty word? You will become the very thing you think you fight. And believe it or not I'm on your side, our side. I just want our side to be stronger than partisan generalizations. It's a kind of discrimination based on shortcut thinking, which is ultimately a weakness. Overall though I upvoted your post because it is a good topic. It is also admittedly a difficult topic - how do we continue to live and relate to other americans and family and collegues who live in a completely naive and removed universe? Not by automatically assuming they are all emotional. They are misled, but not broken, I hope..
Edited to Add: Pizzagate is ultimately about compassion - caring enough about those children and even the ones that came before them that may be perps now to actually do something. That compassion can't be frozen and dropped by the wayside when it comes to soft vicitims which are the entire public culture - created by the media and the worst black ops players. And no, we will find out that ultimately there are baddies from either side of the isle and it will be even, not mostly liberal. At that level they switch sides anyway, look at Arianna Huffington, at David Brock. No one side holds the power of good.
OK, fair enough. I know it becomes ingrained confirmation bias at some point. What amazes me is that you can put all of the facts and research in front of any open-minded, logical person and they would likely come to the same conclusions as most of us have. But if you put this in front of an "unbeliever" for lack of a better word, you will get ridiculed, laughed at, spit at, possibly shot at.
And we are all on the same side, or we wouldn't be here. This forum has been beyond amazingly non-partisan, shill divisionary tactics notwithstanding.
I know them too. They are refusing to look at the evidence, they won't read the emails. Very stubborn. They are angry that they lost the election, the senate and the SCOTUS without realizing that it was all stolen from them by a traitor, and that their party is rotten to the core (pelosi for sure). Ironically these are people who have complained about cia foreign policy for decades and they are all of a sudden now blind to that propaganda, they don't want to believe that they were hoodwinked and deceived. I think that they can be brought around, with the right evidence, to lay their anger in the right place. I hope that trump is wise enough to support some of their issues. (healthcare and pay equality especially).
Yeah I have experienced a lot of those guys on Twitter, I just can't get my head around that type of stubborn mentality. It's almost as if they thought Hillary was a Mother Teresa type figure when I'm pretty sure she has been caught in some dodgy shit many times. I even sent some guy the DHS human trafficking video, when I showed him the voice-over saying look for the signs and then pizza sign then gate he still had the fucking cheek to tell me "Sorry if you believe this stuff I cannot help you".
I know own this is going to sound really bad but other than saving children and seeing sick peado fucking go to prison one of the huge satisfying things to see when this reaches its conclusion is all the stubborn, Liberal ass holes grovel in the dirt at how wrong they realised they were. I can't bloody waot
certainly watching the gowdy and chaffetz videos I can say the same. I never thought that would happen. and Trumps' campaign platform was not extraordinarily right. The al smith dinner made my jaw drop. Aside from Trumps' statements, how can any Dems support HRC watching her there with Kissinger? T's appointees are troubling but perhaps they are simply the few who are not compromised and rich enough to retire after their terms. All I can say is that I hope good things happen going forward, the world needs a break from the blackness deceit and war.
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2impendingdoom ago
I am pretty sure that most people on "the left" want criminals and corruption routed, do you really think that mothers and grandmothers and sisters (the pussy hat contingent) really support pedofuckers? That's just irrational. If the left listened more carefully they would realize that they align with Trumps campaign issues better than HRC did (antiwar especially). So we will see what he actually does. To date, the media has disallowed and scrubbed all of our pizzagate evidence. The right would have screamed the same if GWB/DC were arrested for war crimes for 9/11, the msm (cia) is fighting this tooth and nail, and alleged soros funded riots is working to provoke mayhem. Please give people more credit, when they see the evidence they will be horrified (your MK ultra conditioned suicide risk victims aside, that is a valid point). My emphasis is that the left and right are NOT each others enemy and we should stop using that divisive concept. You are very right that so many here had a lot of depression and existential crisis waking up to this and we should use this opportunity to create a brand new inclusive centrist political paradigm that works for the peoples interest.
Blacksmith21 ago
I don't know how many lefties (by my definition, 30-35% of the populace) you are around on a daily basis. The one's I've seen have been in full on irrational meltdown. And I am talking about the ones with degrees, kids, jobs, and paychecks. Not the "Occupy Wallstreet" Bernie Bros.
MolochHunter ago
If you know the tricks its easy to neutralise their arguments without it getting heated. You just remind them that political correctness emerged out of the Humanist movement, and then ask what more important Humanist goal is there than the protection of children? Therefore, join us in the protection of children and be reaquainted with your Humanist roots.
Because at the end of the day this is why the Left are in such a hole - the overzealous pursuit of cherrypicked PC aspirations has led them to not be able to see the Humanist woods for the Politically Correct trees
And Pizzagate/Pedogate is the absolute perfect/ideal historical twist to demonstrate their unwitting departure from Humanist cause (along with them attacking freedom of speech and democracy)
Blacksmith21 ago
That's friggin' deep. Does this mean we should dig into The Human Fund?
MolochHunter ago
At this stage of societal decay, you can take any good cause/org and presume it is being subverted to its exact opposite
crystalclearme ago
I agree. I also have made the observation 100 % of them only receive news and information from CNN and HuffPo and NYT and the liberal news media only.
VieBleu ago
I agree with the criticism. Your obvious biases regarding leftists are unfortunate. You see in swaths of generalizations. PIzzagate is not owned by conservatives, Christians, libertarians, Trump Republicans or any other one group. It is a travesty from which the entire population suffers and reels.
I'm not saying there isn't a type of behavior that has been seen since the "shock" of Hillary's loss that was drummed into the public's heads by the media, it's just that all sides and everyone in between are susceptible to emotional not rational thinking. You've seen an Alex Jones rant, right?
I know you post is well-meaning and I agree with a lot of it. I have no doubt that the media does behave in ways that can be generalized. We had 8 years of a liberal establishment and they gave into the worst of human greed and lust for power, so yes leftists have a lot to hide and cover up right now. But beware your smugness - 8 years of conservative power may very well yield a similar result. Power corrupts. It is as a population that we have strength, and by constantly generalizing and denigrating vast swaths of that population and believing that only your little slice of people are the real, good people, you back yourself into your own bubble of perception deception.
That said, basically I agree with a lot of what your are saying specific to a backlash about pizzagate arrests at this time- I just don't agree with the demonization and condescension towards large portions of your fellow countrymen. The biggest problem is that the media is by and large still trusted.
I also personally seriously doubt that HRC, Podestas, McCain, Feinstein, Pelosi or many of the high and mighty are going to be arrested. I'll believe it when I see it. These people have way too many layers between them and criminal networks that they enable. It would take actual photos of bloodletting sacrifice and sex with their faces visible to get them arrested. (However, I am optimistic that over time, organ and maybe drug trafficking and racketeering charges may apply and go through the courts on some of them. It would take tenacity though.)
unfuckitup ago
Thanks for that post, I cringe when I see people refer to Hillary supporters as the 'left'. They are to the right standards of western society. Only their superficial identity politics are liberal.
VieBleu ago
so true. It is like the label "liberal" was taken over by very cunning wolves in liberal garb - Hillary's mao suit lol
Blacksmith21 ago
That's all nice hyperbole, but please tell me what I said was wrong? I'm not talking the moderate-left. I'm talking about the spectral left-third of the US that is hard left, aka lefty. Just as there are hard-Rs. All I am doing is pointing out observations - The bulk of everyone implicated thus far, by PG research, indicates that this is a predominately left issue. Sure there will be some Repubs caught up in this. But I bet the split is 90/10 when all is said and done.
With all due respect, there is nothing that says you can't be conservative and still be passionate about environmental, human, women's rights. You may want to reconsider about identifying as a "liberal". It may have some very nasty connotations in the coming years.
VieBleu ago
I don't identify as a liberal. Don't start talking about witchunts on liberals now. Are you really going to go "politically correct" as a conservative and say the word liberal is a dirty word? You will become the very thing you think you fight. And believe it or not I'm on your side, our side. I just want our side to be stronger than partisan generalizations. It's a kind of discrimination based on shortcut thinking, which is ultimately a weakness. Overall though I upvoted your post because it is a good topic. It is also admittedly a difficult topic - how do we continue to live and relate to other americans and family and collegues who live in a completely naive and removed universe? Not by automatically assuming they are all emotional. They are misled, but not broken, I hope..
Edited to Add: Pizzagate is ultimately about compassion - caring enough about those children and even the ones that came before them that may be perps now to actually do something. That compassion can't be frozen and dropped by the wayside when it comes to soft vicitims which are the entire public culture - created by the media and the worst black ops players. And no, we will find out that ultimately there are baddies from either side of the isle and it will be even, not mostly liberal. At that level they switch sides anyway, look at Arianna Huffington, at David Brock. No one side holds the power of good.
Blacksmith21 ago
OK, fair enough. I know it becomes ingrained confirmation bias at some point. What amazes me is that you can put all of the facts and research in front of any open-minded, logical person and they would likely come to the same conclusions as most of us have. But if you put this in front of an "unbeliever" for lack of a better word, you will get ridiculed, laughed at, spit at, possibly shot at.
And we are all on the same side, or we wouldn't be here. This forum has been beyond amazingly non-partisan, shill divisionary tactics notwithstanding.
2impendingdoom ago
I know them too. They are refusing to look at the evidence, they won't read the emails. Very stubborn. They are angry that they lost the election, the senate and the SCOTUS without realizing that it was all stolen from them by a traitor, and that their party is rotten to the core (pelosi for sure). Ironically these are people who have complained about cia foreign policy for decades and they are all of a sudden now blind to that propaganda, they don't want to believe that they were hoodwinked and deceived. I think that they can be brought around, with the right evidence, to lay their anger in the right place. I hope that trump is wise enough to support some of their issues. (healthcare and pay equality especially).
MrrHandsome ago
Yeah I have experienced a lot of those guys on Twitter, I just can't get my head around that type of stubborn mentality. It's almost as if they thought Hillary was a Mother Teresa type figure when I'm pretty sure she has been caught in some dodgy shit many times. I even sent some guy the DHS human trafficking video, when I showed him the voice-over saying look for the signs and then pizza sign then gate he still had the fucking cheek to tell me "Sorry if you believe this stuff I cannot help you".
I know own this is going to sound really bad but other than saving children and seeing sick peado fucking go to prison one of the huge satisfying things to see when this reaches its conclusion is all the stubborn, Liberal ass holes grovel in the dirt at how wrong they realised they were. I can't bloody waot
Blacksmith21 ago
After listening to their insanity at work since 08 Nov 16, my spouse declared last night that - "I think I have almost become a conservative".
2impendingdoom ago
certainly watching the gowdy and chaffetz videos I can say the same. I never thought that would happen. and Trumps' campaign platform was not extraordinarily right. The al smith dinner made my jaw drop. Aside from Trumps' statements, how can any Dems support HRC watching her there with Kissinger? T's appointees are troubling but perhaps they are simply the few who are not compromised and rich enough to retire after their terms. All I can say is that I hope good things happen going forward, the world needs a break from the blackness deceit and war.