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sore_ass_losers ago

Once when I was researching MPD (multiple personality disorder) I found the following quote in a mainstream academic source.

(quote) MPD is hardly a new diagnosis. What is new (1996) is the unprecedented rate at which this disorder is now being diagnosed. Studied by nineteenth century psychiatrists, MPD faded into professional obscurity from the 1920s until the early 1980s. This was the period when the theories of Sigmund Freud had a monopolistic hold on clinical thought. Freud believed that incest memories were Oedipal fantasies that the patient confused for reality. The Oedipal fantasy theory diverted clinical attention from trauma-induced dissociative disorders until the early 1980s when this theory crumbled under the weight of empirical evidence that child molestation and incest is more prevalent than previously believed. The collapse of the fantasy theory reawakened interest in MPD and since then the number of diagnoses has risen rapidly. (end quote)

http://digitalcommons.pepperdine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1513&context=plr (Ample footnotes in original)

sore_ass_losers ago

I originally posted the above on "Madeleine McCann , Clarence Mitchell, Matthew Freud, Sir Clement Freud" https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1521011

That thread also had the following comment with some very interesting leads on SF (by a @fifibrindacier):

(quote)Just read "The Assault on truth : Freud's suppression of seduction theory". This is a massive investigation that Jeffrey Masson did, while he was working at Freud archives in London. The oedipus complex theory is totally made to serve pedophiles. Alice Miller, great defendor of children, talked also about that.(end quote)

sore_ass_losers ago

Here's Alice Miller (cited above) on the cycle of child abuse (note that she doesn't single out sexual abuse as most particularly reprehensible):

"Humiliations, spankings and beatings, slaps in the face, betrayal, sexual exploitation, derision, neglect, etc. are all forms of mistreatment, because they injure the integrity and dignity of a child, even if their consequences are not visible right away. However, as adults, most abused children will suffer, and let others suffer, from these injuries...Beaten children very early on assimilate the violence they endured, which they may glorify and apply later as parents, in believing that they deserved the punishment and were beaten out of love. They don’t know that the only reason for the punishments they have ( or in retrospect, had) to endure is the fact that their parents themselves endured and learned violence without being able to question it. Later, the adults, once abused children, beat their own children and often feel grateful to their parents who mistreated them when they were small and defenseless."

http://www.alice-miller.com/en/home/

More relevant, here she is on the 'False Memory Syndrome' and Freud:

"[Q] For a number of years now there has been talk of a newly discovered disorder, the so-called “false memory syndrome.” Do you think it conceivable that someone could wrongly imagine they had been treated cruelly in childhood? [A] No. Our organism tends to shy away from pain, not to invent it. If we do invent a story it will ALWAYS be less harmful than the real, repressed one, was. The False Memory Foundation is an interest group established by rich parents in the 1980s, suing those therapists whose treatment had enabled their adult children to recall the sexual abuse once inflicted on them by the parents. Unfortunately, many therapists were intimidated by this foundation, and this may be one of the reasons why childhood reality plays no part in most of the therapies on offer today.

[Q] In the meantime we know that this co-called syndrome has never been scientifically acknowledged. So why is it still taken so seriously? [A] Precisely because it serves to DENY the truth. That is why it has been welcomed with open arms. The activities of this foundation have now been hailed both in France and Germany. It reminds me of the time when Sigmund Freud willfully ignored his discovery of sexual abuse and offered his disciples the Oedipus complex so that he would not have to fear his own father, “who may have been a pervert himself” (cited after Freud in my book Thou Shalt Not Be Aware)."

http://www.alice-miller.com/en/an-interview-given-by-alice-miller-to-katharina-micada/

smokemirrors ago

Did you end up looking into Chipping Norton set, dear? All intertwined. Freuds, Murdochs (Matthew Freud was married to Elizabth Murdoch; Matthew's ex wife married to Princess Diana's brother....) Royals, Phone Hacking, suicide-d journalists, missing children (Milly Dowler), pedo ring cover ups....it never ends does it?

We need to keep talking and talking until people start cracking and believing and protesting. Otherwise we're just blowing hot air on this site.

sore_ass_losers ago

Here's a quote from Jeffrey Masson's (cited above) website http://jeffreymasson.com/books/the-assault-on-truth.html . (I also found an article by Masson in The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1984/02/freud-and-the-seduction-theory/376313/ .)

(quote)In 1895, Sigmund Freud formulated what was perhaps his most profound theory: that emotional disturbances in adults stem from actual early traumatic experiences, the knowledge of which has been repressed. But Freud eventually renounced this theory in favor of a new view, that his women patients had "fantasized" their early memories of rape and seduction - a view on which the whole budding science of psychoanalysis would be based.

Masson makes available previously unpublished letters from Freud's closest friend, Wilhelm Fliess, which reveal that Freud had grave doubts about abandoning the "seduction theory." Masson discovered that not only had Freud read the contemporary literature documenting the high incidence of sexual abuse of children, he had in all likelihood witnessed autopsies of children who had been raped and murdered. That Freud abandoned his seduction theory, Masson argues, was a failure of courage rather than a clinical or theoretical insight.

As a result, most psychiatrists and psychoanalysts have in effect been reluctant to trust the memories of their patients, women in particular, about the traumas they experienced in childhood. Like Freud, they see such traumas as fantasy rather than reality. This cover-up of the truth, Masson asserts, has poisoned the entire profession.(end quote)

sore_ass_losers ago

Just read Masson's lengthy but interesting Atlantic article, cited above.

Towards the end of his abandoning "seduction theory" [child abuse as a cause of neurosis] Freud wrote: "Imagine, I obtained a scene [recovered memory from a client] about the circumcision of a girl. The cutting off of a piece of the labia minora (which is still shorter today), sucking up the blood, following which the child was given a piece of the skin to eat. ... I dream, therefore, of a primeval devil religion whose rites are carried on secretly, and I understand the harsh therapy of the witches' judges ."

Masson adds: "Freud was implying here that the Sabbats (part of a ritualized religion in which sexual perversions were acted out) were real events. He seems to have been saying: The torture and the murder of the witches are understandable, for the judges were attempting to curtail a heinous cult."

As part of the reason for abandoning "seduction theory" Freud wrote: "Then the surprise that, in all cases, the father, not excluding my own, had to be accused of being perverse—the realization of the unexpected frequency of hysteria, with precisely the same conditions prevailing in each, whereas surely such widespread perversions against children are not very probable." (Here is the proof that Freud had memories of sexual abuse by his own father.)

So he eventually started to disbelief all of the recovered memories of abuse, also the establishment was very much against this theory. Also Masson discusses how Freud was complicit in a botched, unnecessary nose operation on a client (probably the one mentioned above) and his change in theory better covered up his lack of success.

Interesting read. I've read accounts how Freud was just a satanic, evil person who conspired against humanity, this paints a more complicated picture.