Using the pedophile codebook, Susan Sandler can be linked to some perverse activities together with her father Herbert and Podesta, possible S&M with children.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23561
Podesta brothers may have been involved in the 3rd of May 2007 abduction of Madeleine McCann.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5bk8ex/john_and_tony_podesta_bear_an_uncanny_resemblance/
John Podesta sent and received many e-mails every day. E-mails from 3rd of May 2007 and around half a year back seems to have been deleted by John, possible to hide some conversations. The first e-mail after the blank period is sent 4th of May 2007 to Herbert Sandler. In the mail, John's wife states that the Sandlers and Podestas have met during the week. The 4th of May 2007 was a Friday and the abduction is supposed to have taken place the day before.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9364
In the mail an organization is named, American Family Voices Voters' Alliance (AFVVA). According to OpenSecrets.org Shangri-La Entertainment contributed $600,000 to AFVVA the 31st of October 2007. The Founder of Shangri-La Entertainment, Steve Bing, is a traveler of the Lolita Express and also lent his aircraft to Bill Clinton when Laura Ling and Euna Lee was returned to the US with a piece of pizza.
https://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtedetail_contribs.php?cycle=2008&ein=383708257
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10037
Apparently Joe Sandler is related to Herbert and goes on holidays together. Joe is the attorney representing AFVVA in a case where AFVVA made automated political calls to families in Indiana. Joe also incorporated Campaign to Defend America in the 1st of March 2007, which received $300,000 from AFVVA in between 2007 and 2008.
https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/35646
http://archive.courierpress.com/news/local/327127971.html?d=mobile
http://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy-images/Certofincorporation.pdf
Sandlers and American Family Voices Voters' Alliance is apparently tightly knit. If all the possibles are true, could the Podestas have abducted Madeleine McCann, handed her over to the Sandler who sold her to AFVVA for $300,000. AFVVA then trafficked her to Shangri-La Entertainment for $600,000. This way Sandler and AFVVA earns $300,000 each. Apparently, Podesta is on the payroll of the Sandler Foundation, not the former Hillary campaign.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/john-podesta-herb-sandler-wikileaks
This is really suspicious. Please help me out here.
Mad_As_Hell ago
There's a very interesting Reddit thread connecting Steve Bing to Soros via his assistant Zach Schwartz (who was cced on many significant Wikileaks e-mails) that was linked to in https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1485149
Worth a dig https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5axyn9/yesterday_i_broke_a_story_about_the_clintons/d9kb47o/
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
I am just convinced that the Sandlers are the most important part of the emails aspect of pizzagate. If you search wikileaks for sandler emails & sort by date, there's a huge chunk missing - like years worth. Even the time when Marion Sandler died. There's no way there weren't any emails. I don't think they were deleted. I think wikileaks held them back.
2impendingdoom ago
I would agree with that. Sandlers were responsible for the crash of 2008 by fucking over Wachovia Bank. These people are ruthless and there is definitely something missing here.
AreWeSure ago
Pedophile codebook? Show proof such a thing exists.
2impendingdoom ago
The handkerchief code is well known, its not a big stretch to connect the word handkerchief to code.
ThePuppetShow ago
Check out this conversation and tell me this isn't the same person...
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1609922/7853305
2impendingdoom ago
I find the arrival of AreWeSure to be indicative that we're on to something. pizzagateininsane1-4 (that was funny, so many handles all sprung up, what was that about?) seems a bit more hysterical, but not much. He's trying to say that there is no case because the code evidence is circumstantial, but fuck, innocent people have been on death row for less.
ThePuppetShow ago
He had to keep remaking them because they were down voted to no posting status. Exactly, he's trying to change the meaning of investigation. Of course there's going to be bad leads and those bad leads led to other leads like the Kim Noble theory of what the handkerchief was used for.
2impendingdoom ago
When AreWeSure pops up it kind of creeps me out to know that I am communicating directly with a pedo in real time.
AreWeSure ago
Handkerchief code is not a code you need to use with people you know. It would not have meaning inside your house. It supposed to signal to people in gay bars.
Much more importantly, it is not a pedophile code. People photoshopped pedophilia into some fake screenshots. But it's not part of the code. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5es1bk/code_used_to_decipher_podesta_email_is_based_on/
And it's says nothing about food.
WhyAserverWasBuilt ago
Here is how I know that you are a shill, or just uninformed? You decide.
http://marketplace.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/largo-puppeteer-arrested-in-federal-kidnapping-conspiracy-child-porn-case/1241906
A recent post was removed by a mod because the poster couldn't cite where boys were referred to with the code word "asparagus" - well I found some info on that, and feel it is relevant because of the food code language used in the Podesta emails.
This old article by Tampa Bay Times from 2012 makes mention of pedos using the asparagus codeword: http://archive.is/N2CUu Also, this Times reporter has been moved to WaPo, where they work double time scrubbing 'pizzagate'
edit: just noticed an interesting excerpt from the Tampa Bay article: A puppeteer in Florida who performed in community centers, schools and churches and hosted kids-only pizza parties every Wednesday in his mobile home.
many more covered it here, long before 'pizzagate': https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=largo+puppeteer+arrested+on+child+pornography
AreWeSure ago
So your argument is another group used a completely different code? Therefore we get to determine that podesta is employing code and determine what the decoded words are? My point still stands people were claiming that pizza, pasta, walnut, cheese, etc were known codewords, but they only evidence that exists pre-pizzagate is "cheese pizza" = CP = child pornography.
BTW, what's your definition of shill? Someone who doesn't buy into the theory or someone who is pushing an agenda regardless of their beliefs or someone who is paid or what ?
2impendingdoom ago
Handkerchief is code, just because its not pedophile code doesn't mean its not code. If its code, its code, if it as alternate meanings, and other phrases are equally bizarre, like pizza-related map then its even more likely code. Maybe a different code, but still code. Sorry that this confuses you.
AreWeSure ago
No. People have said the importance of handkerchief is that it is part of a handkerchief code and the colors of the handkerchief in the email meant pedophilia according to the handkerchief code and that is a lie. People then tried to fake evidence to support this lie via photoshop.
It doesn't confuse me. I haven't found a single example of what is supposed to be code stand up as likely code. And thus the whole investigation is based on something false. Weird language/phrasing I don't get doesn't equal code.
There's no evidence for the food based code that people claimed as well. That is a claim. At least the handkerchief code is a thing. The food code isn't even a thing.
In fact, the very fact that they talked about food so much was supposed to be suspicious. No Italian I know would find that odd.
Cheese Pizza is what 4chan said meant child pornography. Show me one example of this phrase in podesta's emails.
ThePuppetShow ago
You are the same person that was shilling yesterday, with the same exact argument. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1609922/7853305
You must be James, people have suspected this name for a while. You do realize your superiors are going to hang you out to dry on this one, right?
AreWeSure ago
Yes, my argument is the same it was yesterday. Should it have changed? Why don't you engage my argument instead your ridiculous speculation?
This is one of the key arguments behind pizzagate Food Code
What's the evidence this is true?
ThePuppetShow ago
I'm accusing you of being PizzagateIsInsane. You wrote the same exact argument in the same words, shill.
You know damn well this investigation doesn't rely on the handkerchief code, it never did. That was part of trying to figure out what they were talking about. A better lead turned up with Kim Noble and that is what helped explain the "pizza related map".
http://www.kimnoble.com/Nowheretorun.jpg
AreWeSure ago
Yeah, I believe my argument is valid. Why would I change the wording of it?
*I know damn well it doesn't rely on the handkerchief code? * Really? I do? Have you checked the Fully Sourced Executive Summary sticky? Because the handkerchief code is still cited and Kim Noble is not. If that's wrong, take it up with them.
So it is not only still being cited, it still references the debunked "white equals pedophilia" fakery. And no published handkerchief code has any meaning for a black and white handkerchief.
Anyway, the code I just linked to was the food code. I would say the pizzagate does rely heavily on that. So that is what I was asking when I said why do you engage my argument.
ThePuppetShow ago
So you admit that you are "pizzagateisinsane"?
AreWeSure ago
I never followed your original link. Because I have repeated arguments before. Which I don't see any problem with whatsover if they remain valid.
ThePuppetShow ago
You're repeating arguments under different names.
AreWeSure ago
I just went and looked and saw you got into a big argument with him yesterday and you still can't distinguish our writing styles.
I'm not him. I've been arguing about the code being arbitrarily made up and in particular the idiocy about walnut sauce which is a fallacy called Arguing from Ignorance for quite a while here.
The first place I saw fake
AreWeSure ago
That's a guy? I thought that was just a wierd insult.
ThePuppetShow ago
Save it.
2impendingdoom ago
maybe just all the instagram pics of people with pizza on the crouch or calling little girls pizzaslut, I don't know, either you see it clear as day or you don't. Nobody seems able to convince you so why do you stay here? We aren't lawyers, this is not court evidence, but if were on the jury, it would be enough for me.
AreWeSure ago
Being a jackass on Instagram is not a crime.
Making tasteless jokes doesn't make you a pedophile.
ThePuppetShow ago
No, all the evidence added together makes you a pedophile or a trafficker. You aren't going to some cushy prison, James. You might want to consider talking to Sessions.
AreWeSure ago
Hi, I don't live in DC. Went there one time in my life. Good zoo. Don't work for David Brock. Not Paid to be here. Etc.
2impendingdoom ago
We are talking about the Sandlers here, and I would toss them in prison for the Wachovia bank fuckover in a heartbeat, not matter what the charges.
AreWeSure ago
Wachovia fucked themselves. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/business/economy/15norris.html?_r=2&
It was not until mid-2008, long after the housing market began to crumble, that Wachovia stopped making such loans.
Looking into Golden West, I think the Sandler's arguments that the initial stories wrongly lumped them in with the truly bad guys hold up. Yes, they were mainly option ARMS, but theirs were different from the truly awful lenders. For one thing they reset over 10 years, not two, so this was much more favorable to the homeowner. And they did not lend to people who put virtually no equity into the house. And Most importantly, they didn't sell they mortgages to Wall Street. They held on to them which meant that they had a stake if those mortgages went bad. They would take the hit. This means they had to do better risk assessment. http://archives.cjr.org/feature/the_education_of_herb_and_marion.php?page=all&print=true
Since their option was over a longer period, homeowners could hold on to their house longer meaning they were in much better shape of waiting out a bad market and holding onto their house until prices rose again.
The FCIC reports supports this idea they their loans were less risky than their counterparts. The thrift issued about $274 billion in option ARMs between 1981 and 2005. Unlike other mortgage companies, Golden West held onto them.
GoldenWest was simply in not way equivalent to Countrywide or Ameriquest.
Hillary4Jail ago
Do you think it's a coincidence that a public investigation that started with an assumed pedophile cookbook have unraveled and connected so many perverts and companies?
AreWeSure ago
A. pervert doesn't mean pedophile, let alone a ritualistic, sex-trafficking, cannibal pedophiles
B. It's pretty damn easy to make a load of connections and assumptions about people when you get to make up what their words mean and you go about it ignoring irony, sarcasm, metaphors, black humor and all the rest of the thing humans use to get by.
C. Motivated reasoning is a helluva drug.
D. People seem to think connections alone are evidence of conspiracy. In fact, our brains pattern matching is why conspiratorial thinking is so seductive. It's pleasurable. Our brain release dopamine when we make patterns and connections.
So given all that, no it's not a coincidence. It's a likely outcome.
2impendingdoom ago
my brain doesn't release dopamine when I see child abuse, organ trafficking, illegal wars and government corruption, if this shit gets you off, you should be locked up.
AreWeSure ago
Didn't say that it did. I said patterns. And I see here. I just finished a round of Candy Crush, a super popular game built on the behavior. A behavior we all share. We all have these cognitive flaws.
Unless some has directly insulted me, I try not make things personal.
nomorepepperoni ago
Can you do us a favor and show us what you DO think is valid re: pizzagate? I'm under the impression that you're more of a skeptic than a shill. In other words, I suspect you're trying to help by asking for harder evidence and raising alternative explanations to things presented. I am purely speculating, of course, but I also get the sense that you suspect this is more than simply "fake news".
That's why I'd like to see what you think so far is backed with tangible evidence. You could potentially present better arguments than most of us and bring this investigation farther along.
Hillary4Jail ago
Judging from your post history you are a payed shill. Do you like the taste of Soros butthole?
ThePuppetShow ago
Definitely a shill. Same words as this shill...
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1609922/7853305
There's more I only linked part of the conversation, it was quite repetitive.
AreWeSure ago
Yeah, no motivated reasoning on your part.
blah, blah, blah, .............back up your claims with evidence.
payed. good lord.
AreWeSure ago
good lord.
Hillary4Jail ago
Cited the joke...
2impendingdoom ago
Hi, can you clarify the email you claim says John and Mary K. Podesta met with Sandlers?
Hillary4Jail ago
"Hi Mr. Sandler, I enjoyed seeing you and Mrs. Sandler this week. Please let me know if you need additional information."
From Elizabeth to Sandler.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9364
Ehm. I assumed that it was his wife using his private e-mail. It might actually be someone else. Edited OP.
2impendingdoom ago
Elizabeth Cooley
John is married to Mary K Podesta an SEC lawyer.
Hillary4Jail ago
Why do Elizabeth have access to Johns private-email account?
2impendingdoom ago
I think she is secretary or office admin. In many other emails there is a different woman assistant that forwards emails and phone messages. I can understand why that is confusing but his wife is mary k, mother is also a mary. The cousins are Paule-Carres...
AreWeSure ago
As the email says she's Executive Assistant to the President of Center for American Progress aka John Podesta.
John Podesta and his wife don't call him Mr. Sandler. They call him Herb as you can see in various emails.
sunshinedisinfectant ago
I believe both John and Tony Podesta were out of the country visiting with a convicted pedophile. I believe it was a man with the last name Freud (sp)
carmencita ago
That is Clement Freud you are writing about. He is the grandson of Sigmund Feud who was a pedophile. He lives a short distance from where Maddy was taken in Praia del Luz.
AreWeSure ago
Sigmund Feud? That is a fantastic Feudian slip.
Also Sigmund Freud was a pedophile?
Votescam ago
Sigmund Freud created the lie of the Oedipus Complex which betrayed his patients -- young males and females who had confided in him their sexual abuse by male members of their families: fathers, grandfathers, uncles, male cousins -- and male friends of the family.
The Oedipus Complex is based in the ridiculous and outrageous notion that it is infants and toddlers who are sexually assaulting male members of their families.
Oedipus Complex is a cover up for males -- heterosexual males -- who are the sexual abusers of children. Heterosexual Males are 100% more likely to sexually abuse a child than a homosexual male.
Also see: MKULTRA/Project Monarch LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
AreWeSure ago
This not true. Oedipus Complex is about desire, not assaults.
Votescam ago
Sex with a child is assault
AreWeSure ago
The Oedipus Complex does not imply any sex occurs. The Oedipus Complex is present even if no sex or nothing untoward every happens. It's about a conflicted desire.
Votescam ago
Of course, Sigmund Freud was seeing patients who were reporting sexual abuse by males in their families -- but it was fake sex?
AreWeSure ago
My understanding is Freud didn't believe that much child abuse went on and thus his clients must be talking about fantasies that they had and didn't want to confess to.
He didn't believe the evidence, so he thought it was evidence of something else.
Votescam ago
Freud was a fake. So is the Oedipus Complex. Our sexual abusers of children are male -- and they are heterosexual males.
AreWeSure ago
That was not completely how the Oedipus complex was developed.
The other thing, if he got it wrong and he did get things wrong, that is different from "creating a lie."
Votescam ago
Again, Sigmund Freud betrayed his patients -- young males and females who had been sexually abused by males in their families Iow's, Freud LIED about who the aggressor is in the Oedipus Complex. Much of his other work is also questionable.
And likely that Sigmund was a pedophile -- I'm sure you know that Clement Freud, grandson of Sigmund Freud involved himself in the McCann kidnapping/investigation --** i.e., Pizzagate** by inviting the parents to his home for lunch. At that time, his pedophile activities were still unknown. It wasn't until after his death that witnesses came forward.
He not only lied -- he reversed the guilty and the innocent.
Infants and toddlers are the innocents -- not adult males, adult uncles, adult fathers, grandfathers.
Meanwhile, could you tell me please why you are here at the pizzagate investigation of pedophiles if you are so opposed to acknowledging who they are?
They are male -- which even right wing women's groups agree with. And they are heterosexual males. Heterosexual males are 100X more likely to sexually abuse a child than a homosexual male. Will for ward you more info if you want it -- Two published studies of convicted child molesters.
Meanwhile ....
Check out Sigmund Freud's Tavistock -- forerunner to MKULTRA http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml
carmencita ago
There have been things written about him being a pedophile but there is of course no proof. Since Clement is one, the apple does not fall far from the tree. There have been writings on here as well about him when discussing the Maddy McCann case too.
AreWeSure ago
heard about Clement not Sigmund. And apples have been known to roll from trees.
SayWhatNOWAY ago
Seems that if you click on this link and search for AFVVA, there is a post wordered almost exactly the same as the last paragraph as yours! Was this your post from this link?
http://archive.is/0HsbY
derram ago
https://archive.is/EJ8hz :
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