Just for the record, as a progressive, I totally disavow David Brock and his propagandist, lying, thieving, grotesque band of thugs and pedophiles. The "progressive" movement has nothing to do with him, though he is clearly trying to co-opt the word. He is a menace to all that is good about humanity! There are millions like me, who want this vile creature to disappear down the sewer whence he came.
You're not nearly ashamed enough if you still find yourself on that side. Your belief in the power of the state is what makes abuse possible. How anyone can defend the Obama or Clinton administrations is just baffling
you're shooting from the hip. you can be a small government progressive. You havent stopped to figure out what sandy008 means by progressive
And at the end of the day, both left and right have uglier instincts we both need reminding of. Right-Hitler Left-Stalin
Neither Left nor Right will eternally have the moral ascendancy, and over decades those who were once in the right will slowly then suddenly be in the wrong. And that will be no different for the current resurgence of the Right. Enjoy your moment in the sun, but in the years to come, remember to guard against your own excesses
Actually Hitler was a National Socialist which was nicknamed Nazi. Which BTW is also on the Left. The Left really is much much "uglier" than the right. I do understand that average people on the Left are often well meaning, But they're also naive and don't realize they're being used. I have no use for either the GOP or DEM parties.
you want a mass murdering leftie, stalin is the better candidate. While nazi initially stood for national socialist, true, hitler corrupted it and with prescott bush's big money men had a distinct right-wing flavour come 1940
The Left just can't accept that Hitler is much closer to them than he is to anyone on the right. We on the right just want to restore individual freedoms.
and its an ugly trait to presume the opposition never has merit to their argument, or that the side you identify with could never err on the side of excessiveness
I don't think the 'right' is enjoying its moment in the sun, it's the American people right? Who needs parties. It's just divide and conquer. Both have been warmongers, both are scared of the banksters.
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)
If you mean that there is only one war: the class war, and that all other conflicts are diversions from that then i totally agree with you. That said, there are dualities in life that persist: individuality vs common good, co-operation vs competition, etc, and these will find their form in movements subject to growth and entropy
Your "Republicans BAD" brainwashing has been successful. This argument you make is irrelevant. Turn away from big government of any stripe and start thinking clearly for yourself. You'll feel so much more powerful than the power you feel because you think you're with the good guys. The UNiparty has no good guys.
You forgot the Bush administration.
Please be nice to ambassadors from LiberalLand. Shaming them is no way to show that the fascist state is a no go. It is kind of fascist, psychologically.
Like many, I voted for Obama and wound up very disappointed. I have never, ever been a supporter of HRC, and was so relieved when she lost - not that Trump won, but that such a corrupt, access selling warmonger as Hillary Clinton did not make it to the world's highest office. I was, and am, a supporter of Bernie Sanders.
Bernie sold out.
He started with that White people are privileged crap. The day he said that is the I passed a group of white homeless vets on the high way. I'm sick of that crap.
Plus look at places like West Virginia coal mine towns.
Plus he let disgusting whores scream him off the stage.
We are twins. Exactly my feeling and that of many I know. I do not like what we ended up with but we had two of the worst candidates in history running against each other. Everyone knows that if the Democrats had run a fair election, and ran Bernie we would have him as President now. I am hoping Trump will drain the swamp, but in the process many will also lose their insurance, and Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid will be drastically cut. Why must some suffer in order to protect our children? We should all be protected. This country is doing some very shameful things.
Agree with you! Also, the left fell asleep under Obama, as he droned innocent people, built up the nuclear arsenal, tried, in an attempt at a so-called "grand bargain," to decrease Medicare and Social Security, and many, many other awful things, including perhaps condoning pedophilia, "hot dogs and pizza from Chicago" . He was not at all who he presented himself to be - there was a slick marketing campaign to portray him as the agent of hope and change, but he was really the agent of the corrupt Establishment.
I voted for him the second time because yes, they gave us no choice again. But we went to go door to door in the cold weather all day and I had so many old ladies with canes beg me to let BO know they needed their Soc. Sec. I promised them over and over that he would never cut their Soc. Sec. Low and behold, the schmuck turned his back on them. I cannot tell you how long I saw those old ladies at night when I went to bed, sometimes bringing me to tears. I will never forget that as long as I live. I have heard him called the Manchurian Candidate.
Many people believed the broadcasting media was providing accurate information and bought into propaganda lies, which cover their real agenda.
Now many are woke on all sides to the lying media... which I'm now using to show that these politicians cannot be trusted to deliver truth from any side of the Isle. The left claim they're duped for the same reasons as the right (and any variation in between.)
Left and right have more in common now in this regard, so by pointing out sameness maybe we can join and expose the corrupt global system.
Pzgate seems to provide a jumping off point.
If you have read about Arkencide then you know what the Clintons and her minions are capable of. Bernie did not support her of his own free will. Figure it out. All of my Progressive Friends and Activists know.
Someone in favor of social reform, away from the Founders' model of a constitutional republic. They parade as liberals when their policies are in actuality those of socialists. (This of course looks great on paper but actuality is is the stepping stone of communism.) Sanders supporters dreamily explained that "true" or "real" socialism is viable in the form of 'Democratic Socialism' while readily admitting 'National Socialism' (Nazism) was a disaster.
A Progressive believes in taking care of everyone not just themselves. We are students of FDR, Social Security and Medicare. Remember they are entitlements because we are entitled to them. They are just like other insurance policies. That is what they are Insurance Policies. We paid into them our entire lives and we now are legally entitled to reap the benefits. Our Republicans (and some Dino Dems) have been trying to brainwash us into believing they must be cut or privatized. That will only create more profits for their rich contributors and themselves. We are all God's creatures and that is why I believe as a Progressive we must take care of the less fortunate. Others can add to my thoughts.
I was under the impression that being progressive meant one believed the Constitution require to evolve or progress to meet the times... Is this untrue?
Yes it does mean to progress but it depends what we are talking about. Just because the years march on does not mean we progress in all things. What one person calls progression depends on the subject at hand. We would not want to make laws for the progression of pedophilia just because we are more liberally minded. We should progress and evolve when it comes to providing better education for all children, better care of our environment for our country, better care for our young and old. To progress and provide when we have not.
I hope to God you are right. I don't see this happening. The de-regulations will only make the rich richer and the poor and middle class poorer. The statistics for the coming future will make at least 10% poorer. I hope he drains the swamp of pedophiles, but if by swamp, some people mean people that do not look like them or not heterosexual, then I think they will not be disappointed. I predict he and the Republicans will push hard to drastically cut Soc. Sec., Medicare and Medicaid. I believed in BO too. Keep your mind and ears open. Peace To You.
What do you make of obamas birth certificate being declared a blatant forgery? Don't you feel he was installed by manipulating "progressives" who get sick pleasure voting for a black guy for its own sake?
The interesting part is that blumenthal/ HRC knew and used it in 08.
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Sandy008 ago
Just for the record, as a progressive, I totally disavow David Brock and his propagandist, lying, thieving, grotesque band of thugs and pedophiles. The "progressive" movement has nothing to do with him, though he is clearly trying to co-opt the word. He is a menace to all that is good about humanity! There are millions like me, who want this vile creature to disappear down the sewer whence he came.
Don-Keyhote ago
You're not nearly ashamed enough if you still find yourself on that side. Your belief in the power of the state is what makes abuse possible. How anyone can defend the Obama or Clinton administrations is just baffling
MolochHunter ago
you're shooting from the hip. you can be a small government progressive. You havent stopped to figure out what sandy008 means by progressive
And at the end of the day, both left and right have uglier instincts we both need reminding of. Right-Hitler Left-Stalin
Neither Left nor Right will eternally have the moral ascendancy, and over decades those who were once in the right will slowly then suddenly be in the wrong. And that will be no different for the current resurgence of the Right. Enjoy your moment in the sun, but in the years to come, remember to guard against your own excesses
doubletake ago
in the middle, we have those inalienable rights. the extremes are both tyrannies run by the 1%. the founders knew the game.
Sharipie ago
Actually Hitler was a National Socialist which was nicknamed Nazi. Which BTW is also on the Left. The Left really is much much "uglier" than the right. I do understand that average people on the Left are often well meaning, But they're also naive and don't realize they're being used. I have no use for either the GOP or DEM parties.
MolochHunter ago
you want a mass murdering leftie, stalin is the better candidate. While nazi initially stood for national socialist, true, hitler corrupted it and with prescott bush's big money men had a distinct right-wing flavour come 1940
Sharipie ago
The Left just can't accept that Hitler is much closer to them than he is to anyone on the right. We on the right just want to restore individual freedoms.
MolochHunter ago
I think Podesta is closer to Caligula than Hitler. But as he isn't ever gonna be Secretary of State, I guess we'll never know!
Don-Keyhote ago
It's really gross to watch adults worm their way into moral coherence
MolochHunter ago
and its an ugly trait to presume the opposition never has merit to their argument, or that the side you identify with could never err on the side of excessiveness
Don-Keyhote ago
Your examples of an excess of freedom are straw men. Budget cuts coming from firefighters etc
bopper ago
I don't think the 'right' is enjoying its moment in the sun, it's the American people right? Who needs parties. It's just divide and conquer. Both have been warmongers, both are scared of the banksters.
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)
MolochHunter ago
If you mean that there is only one war: the class war, and that all other conflicts are diversions from that then i totally agree with you. That said, there are dualities in life that persist: individuality vs common good, co-operation vs competition, etc, and these will find their form in movements subject to growth and entropy
bopper ago
Yes.
The second part of your statement yes also, this is what Calvin called original sin, total depravity. I'm a puritan extremist :)
Sandy008 ago
So how do you explain Dennis Hastert, or other Republicans who are child molesters and get away with it for years?
Sharipie ago
Your "Republicans BAD" brainwashing has been successful. This argument you make is irrelevant. Turn away from big government of any stripe and start thinking clearly for yourself. You'll feel so much more powerful than the power you feel because you think you're with the good guys. The UNiparty has no good guys.
bopper ago
Yes. Took me a while but I did eventually catch on. Parasites and host.
Don-Keyhote ago
Do they argue for bigger gov't? If not your red herring is pathetic
bopper ago
They all suck.
SturdyGal ago
You forgot the Bush administration. Please be nice to ambassadors from LiberalLand. Shaming them is no way to show that the fascist state is a no go. It is kind of fascist, psychologically.
Sandy008 ago
Like many, I voted for Obama and wound up very disappointed. I have never, ever been a supporter of HRC, and was so relieved when she lost - not that Trump won, but that such a corrupt, access selling warmonger as Hillary Clinton did not make it to the world's highest office. I was, and am, a supporter of Bernie Sanders.
WellSetTable ago
Bernie sold out. He started with that White people are privileged crap. The day he said that is the I passed a group of white homeless vets on the high way. I'm sick of that crap. Plus look at places like West Virginia coal mine towns.
Plus he let disgusting whores scream him off the stage.
What kind of leader is that?
Not one I would vote for.
MyUSA2017 ago
I did not vote for Obama in 2008 or in 2012; however, I share your disappointment.
draegspir ago
Obama and his crew bamboozled everyone.
carmencita ago
We are twins. Exactly my feeling and that of many I know. I do not like what we ended up with but we had two of the worst candidates in history running against each other. Everyone knows that if the Democrats had run a fair election, and ran Bernie we would have him as President now. I am hoping Trump will drain the swamp, but in the process many will also lose their insurance, and Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid will be drastically cut. Why must some suffer in order to protect our children? We should all be protected. This country is doing some very shameful things.
Sandy008 ago
Agree with you! Also, the left fell asleep under Obama, as he droned innocent people, built up the nuclear arsenal, tried, in an attempt at a so-called "grand bargain," to decrease Medicare and Social Security, and many, many other awful things, including perhaps condoning pedophilia, "hot dogs and pizza from Chicago" . He was not at all who he presented himself to be - there was a slick marketing campaign to portray him as the agent of hope and change, but he was really the agent of the corrupt Establishment.
carmencita ago
I voted for him the second time because yes, they gave us no choice again. But we went to go door to door in the cold weather all day and I had so many old ladies with canes beg me to let BO know they needed their Soc. Sec. I promised them over and over that he would never cut their Soc. Sec. Low and behold, the schmuck turned his back on them. I cannot tell you how long I saw those old ladies at night when I went to bed, sometimes bringing me to tears. I will never forget that as long as I live. I have heard him called the Manchurian Candidate.
shoosh ago
Many people believed the broadcasting media was providing accurate information and bought into propaganda lies, which cover their real agenda.
Now many are woke on all sides to the lying media... which I'm now using to show that these politicians cannot be trusted to deliver truth from any side of the Isle. The left claim they're duped for the same reasons as the right (and any variation in between.)
Left and right have more in common now in this regard, so by pointing out sameness maybe we can join and expose the corrupt global system. Pzgate seems to provide a jumping off point.
bopper ago
I thought Bernie betrayed everyone by supporting Hillary?
ALDO_NOVA ago
you could see the pain on his face that day - it was obvious he was going against his will
carmencita ago
If you have read about Arkencide then you know what the Clintons and her minions are capable of. Bernie did not support her of his own free will. Figure it out. All of my Progressive Friends and Activists know.
bopper ago
What's a progressive?
gr8H8er ago
Someone in favor of social reform, away from the Founders' model of a constitutional republic. They parade as liberals when their policies are in actuality those of socialists. (This of course looks great on paper but actuality is is the stepping stone of communism.) Sanders supporters dreamily explained that "true" or "real" socialism is viable in the form of 'Democratic Socialism' while readily admitting 'National Socialism' (Nazism) was a disaster.
bopper ago
Right. They seem to forget we're about 12 trillion or more in the hole. Democratic Socialism, funny that.
carmencita ago
A Progressive believes in taking care of everyone not just themselves. We are students of FDR, Social Security and Medicare. Remember they are entitlements because we are entitled to them. They are just like other insurance policies. That is what they are Insurance Policies. We paid into them our entire lives and we now are legally entitled to reap the benefits. Our Republicans (and some Dino Dems) have been trying to brainwash us into believing they must be cut or privatized. That will only create more profits for their rich contributors and themselves. We are all God's creatures and that is why I believe as a Progressive we must take care of the less fortunate. Others can add to my thoughts.
concernedaboutitall ago
I was under the impression that being progressive meant one believed the Constitution require to evolve or progress to meet the times... Is this untrue?
carmencita ago
Yes it does mean to progress but it depends what we are talking about. Just because the years march on does not mean we progress in all things. What one person calls progression depends on the subject at hand. We would not want to make laws for the progression of pedophilia just because we are more liberally minded. We should progress and evolve when it comes to providing better education for all children, better care of our environment for our country, better care for our young and old. To progress and provide when we have not.
bopper ago
I think that's kinda why Trump was elected, to bring back jobs etc.and the money it would take to do these things.
carmencita ago
I hope to God you are right. I don't see this happening. The de-regulations will only make the rich richer and the poor and middle class poorer. The statistics for the coming future will make at least 10% poorer. I hope he drains the swamp of pedophiles, but if by swamp, some people mean people that do not look like them or not heterosexual, then I think they will not be disappointed. I predict he and the Republicans will push hard to drastically cut Soc. Sec., Medicare and Medicaid. I believed in BO too. Keep your mind and ears open. Peace To You.
Don-Keyhote ago
What do you make of obamas birth certificate being declared a blatant forgery? Don't you feel he was installed by manipulating "progressives" who get sick pleasure voting for a black guy for its own sake?
The interesting part is that blumenthal/ HRC knew and used it in 08.