You clearly have no insight into how much shitposting and rule violation happens in new submissions. The current number of mods is still not enough to cover 24 hours each day. Before throwing out ideas like this, it might be worthwhile to conduct a reality check. For example, you could volunteer 3-4 hours of your time to watch /new, and then you tell us what percentage of new submissions need moderator action of some sort. Judging by your current optimism, I promise you you'll be surprised.
The post you've linked to has not been removed. I sincerely believe that if we change rule 4 to allow mod-related posts on /v/pizzagate, this sub will go to shit, flooded with the whining and complaints of the people whose submissions we've removed for any kind of rule violation. I would say every third removal results in complaints even though they indeed violate submission requirements. If we allow all that on this sub, it is over for this sub. Hence the request for everybody to subscribe to /v/pizzagatemods, and take these there, so that the investigative content doesn't get lost in the noise. The community made no effort to subscribe to /v/pizzagatemods, and now the community is complaining that there's nobody on /v/pizzagatemods. In my opinion, the proposed change of rule 4 is not the solution to this problem.
Both of the threads linked were deleted. It's impossible to organize anything or present anything without concrete evidence and this is hindering this investigation badly.
@Letsdoit edited the link in their comment I was replying to. The original link pointed recursively to this post of yours, which, at the time of me writing my comment, was not deleted.
It's impossible to organize anything or present anything without concrete evidence and this is hindering this investigation badly.
It is not. If you have the slightest demonstrable base for claiming a connection to Pizzagate, and you do spell out that connection explicitly, your submission will not be pulled. It is either a failure of post authors to do so, or the actual lack of said connecting dot that gets posts removed. In both of those cases, /v/pizzagatewhatever is still an option, and no, it's not a good argument that /v/pizzagatewhatever doesn't have enough subs. It is up to the community to decide whether they subscribe to a subverse or not. When they don't, they implicitly express their thoughts about the contents of the given sub. If the community doesn't want to subscribe to /v/pizzagatewhatever, why would they want to see the same content on /v/pizzagate from now on?
This was direclty related to this sub, even Victor said to leave it and it was still deleted. It's nothing but blatant censorship, fuck what the community wants. We havr to get community approvam to change the rules, but only 200 of the 10000 are availabe at the other sub. It's a catch 22, we lose.
For what it's worth, I would have left it up. I don't agree with the proposal at all, and I don't think it would lead anywhere, and I do think the submission was in violation of rule 4, but because of the traction it has gained, I would have left it up at least until there's a verdict. But the moderator who removed the post was not wrong to do so, per a current submission rule that is in effect and has been vetted and accepted by the same community, just a few weeks ago. It is our job to enforce these rules on behalf of the community, and as long as there isn't a new one accepted, there will always be a mod to remove these proposals.
That is simply untrue. Isn't it interesting how top researchers can always comply with submission rules? They're not so hard to comply with, it's just that most post authors do not make the slightest effort. When we see that an effort has been made, even if we delete a post we try and give suggestions as to what could be changed to fit the rules of the subverse. If nothing can be done, we still tend to recommend another subverse within the network.
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Nana66 ago
I vote we dump 2/3rds of the babysitters/Mods.
wecanhelp ago
You clearly have no insight into how much shitposting and rule violation happens in new submissions. The current number of mods is still not enough to cover 24 hours each day. Before throwing out ideas like this, it might be worthwhile to conduct a reality check. For example, you could volunteer 3-4 hours of your time to watch /new, and then you tell us what percentage of new submissions need moderator action of some sort. Judging by your current optimism, I promise you you'll be surprised.
Letsdoit ago
What about getting organised like what this removed submission is about https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1587156 time to change rule 4???
wecanhelp ago
The post you've linked to has not been removed. I sincerely believe that if we change rule 4 to allow mod-related posts on /v/pizzagate, this sub will go to shit, flooded with the whining and complaints of the people whose submissions we've removed for any kind of rule violation. I would say every third removal results in complaints even though they indeed violate submission requirements. If we allow all that on this sub, it is over for this sub. Hence the request for everybody to subscribe to /v/pizzagatemods, and take these there, so that the investigative content doesn't get lost in the noise. The community made no effort to subscribe to /v/pizzagatemods, and now the community is complaining that there's nobody on /v/pizzagatemods. In my opinion, the proposed change of rule 4 is not the solution to this problem.
ThePuppetShow ago
Both of the threads linked were deleted. It's impossible to organize anything or present anything without concrete evidence and this is hindering this investigation badly.
I gave you your upvote for participating though..
wecanhelp ago
@Letsdoit edited the link in their comment I was replying to. The original link pointed recursively to this post of yours, which, at the time of me writing my comment, was not deleted.
It is not. If you have the slightest demonstrable base for claiming a connection to Pizzagate, and you do spell out that connection explicitly, your submission will not be pulled. It is either a failure of post authors to do so, or the actual lack of said connecting dot that gets posts removed. In both of those cases, /v/pizzagatewhatever is still an option, and no, it's not a good argument that /v/pizzagatewhatever doesn't have enough subs. It is up to the community to decide whether they subscribe to a subverse or not. When they don't, they implicitly express their thoughts about the contents of the given sub. If the community doesn't want to subscribe to /v/pizzagatewhatever, why would they want to see the same content on /v/pizzagate from now on?
ThePuppetShow ago
This was direclty related to this sub, even Victor said to leave it and it was still deleted. It's nothing but blatant censorship, fuck what the community wants. We havr to get community approvam to change the rules, but only 200 of the 10000 are availabe at the other sub. It's a catch 22, we lose.
wecanhelp ago
For what it's worth, I would have left it up. I don't agree with the proposal at all, and I don't think it would lead anywhere, and I do think the submission was in violation of rule 4, but because of the traction it has gained, I would have left it up at least until there's a verdict. But the moderator who removed the post was not wrong to do so, per a current submission rule that is in effect and has been vetted and accepted by the same community, just a few weeks ago. It is our job to enforce these rules on behalf of the community, and as long as there isn't a new one accepted, there will always be a mod to remove these proposals.
ThePuppetShow ago
Anything could be deleted under current submissuon rules.
wecanhelp ago
That is simply untrue. Isn't it interesting how top researchers can always comply with submission rules? They're not so hard to comply with, it's just that most post authors do not make the slightest effort. When we see that an effort has been made, even if we delete a post we try and give suggestions as to what could be changed to fit the rules of the subverse. If nothing can be done, we still tend to recommend another subverse within the network.