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lectorleoni ago

I think the tip of the iceberg is exactly the right image. It's not that the implications of Pizzagate haven't been discussed before; people like Cathy O'Brien, John DeCamp, Jay Parker, Zachary King, etc., have been talking about satanic ritual abuse and elite pedophilia for years. But the manner in which Pizzagate was discovered was especially shocking and attention-grabbing. Only people who had already researched SRA would even imagine that evidence of it might be found in Podesta's emails. So the fact that it came as a surprise -- that nobody was looking for it -- was perhaps the most powerful aspect of all this. It began neither as a conspiracy theory, nor as a survivor testimony banking everything on the credibility of the person making the accusations, but as a discovery made more or less simultaneously by thousands of people. Hypotheses such as yours can then add new insights to the general consensus.

But what's sometimes missed, especially by a certain kind of Pizzagate investigator, is just that these revelations are not the first of their kind. The manner in which they came was perhaps unprecedented; but their subject matter most definitely has precedent. And of that precedent, Pizzagate is a powerful confirmation. It's either a sorely misguided investigator or an out and out shill who tries to artificially limit the investigation to CPP and JA, eschewing the likes of O'Brien, DeCamp, etc. The biggest bombshell in all of this is not so much the disgusting and graphic references to murder and rape as the inductive inference that if Pizzagate is real, so is "the rest of it."

There was a lot of concern about shills in the early weeks guiding the investigation into the weeds, and I think we need to wake up and revisit that concern. If you take a bird's eye view of what has played out -- initially, we wanted to follow this lead to the top, to take out Soros and whoever may lie behind him. Instead we're going after this guy Alefantis, who -- don't get me wrong -- definitely deserves to go down. But he's also clearly a small fry. They're not protecting him. Have we lost our purpose?

DL4L ago

I agree with your assessment. There is nothing new about any of this information, it has been put forward under public scrutiny before but how this story broke was different. Ultimately, and this is not pessimism but rather realism talking here, I think the reachable goal to drive for is to bring this entire topic into mass consciousness. People have been burying their heads in the sand for a long time and will continue to do so when new information threatens to shatter their world view. And despite the urgency we all feel about this and other important issues... change comes over time and incrementally. Hopefully we can continue to dig up information on this particular instance of potential child abuse, but there are already so many cases of proven abuse and proven ritual abuse and proven rings involving elites and politicians etc that it seems silly to hang our hopes on breaking open an international scale of cover up and abuse on one, as yet unproven, claim. I'm not knocking the work people are doing, but I think many people are setting themselves up for disenfranchisement and disillusionment by not taking the long view of this tragic situation.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago

Pizzagate is indeed at the epicenter of a huge collapsing world of lies, the scale of which you have not even begun to grasp:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1491256

DL4L ago

This is a link to totally unrelated content.