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rail606 ago

Spot on with your description of satanism. People think the satanism thing is all some joke or religious tie in that doesn't fit. Those people clearly know nothing of spirituality and theology. They know nothing of how it came to be. The answers/scripture come from within through meditation and spiritual visions. It is pretty idiotic to completely write off the paranormal we can all experience through knowledge and practice of meditation, trances, exploration of your mind and consciousness/other states(psychedelics come to mind.)

Also FYI just because the Kabbalah comes from Jewish Mysticism it is no longer inherently Jewish in this day and age. Plenty of gentiles practicing ritualistic/ceremonial magick these days. The idea that you can put your will out into the universe and it will attempt to answer it is a slippery slope. This is where manipulation/greed start to take hold of a modern day Satanist. They get drunk with the idea that they can change the outcome through rituals. The bigger/more exciting the ritual the more energy your will(magick) will have. This leads to ritual abuse and sacrifice.

Christians actually practice Kabbalah magick every Sunday. Those are rituals and they are performing magick without even realizing it. Except they often pray that whatever Gods will so be it. Not really putting your will out there more or less telling God you trust it. Some people will pray for others. But a majority of Christians never pray for themselves. Trusting Gods plan even if you are in a shitty spot and doing everything right is the Christian thing to do. This is why the Satanists hate us. We are a a bastardization of there rituals/faith and we don't ask for anything other then Gods good will.

FriesischShipping ago

This is older than history itself and pegging it to Jews happens because they are guilty of association. Historians have traced Moloch and all this sacrificial worship back to the original Phoenician and Sumerian cultures that predate Judaism. It probably goes back farther than that. They were just the first cultures with an alphabet and writing system.

Piscina ago

Yeah, I'm a Christian and I never pray for myself.

jstayz44 ago

Agreed!!!! I grew up in the Catholic Church...disliked the rituals, but firmly believe that praying means more about trusting that His will is done, and further, that He helps me to navigate whatever it is he has in store - my imperfect humanness (?) needs His help!!! Thank you for sharing that in your post @rail606, it was much appreciated after reading so much absolute negativity that is all of Pizzagate and human trafficking.

islandofdelight ago

Yes... And speaking of Catholic ritual, consuming the flesh and blood of Christ (Eucharist) is symbolic cannibalism. Catholicism is rooted in Satanism from the time it distorted the true teachings of Jesus.

lectorleoni ago

What about the sixth chapter of John's Gospel? Are you claiming that it does not contain the actual words of Christ?

I have to say that the Catholic understanding of Communion is neither that it is symbolic nor that it is cannibalism. The Catholic belief in Transubstantiation means that the Holy Eucharist IS Christ. It does not merely represent Him or cause Him to become present in some nebulous manner.

Cannibals consume dead flesh which is digested and metabolized. That is not how Catholics believe Communion works. As soon as the accidents of the host break down in the digestive tract (about 15 minutes after receiving), the body and blood of Christ cease to be present -- He is not metabolized. He can't be, even in principle, since He is immortal.

The satanic Black Mass is neither the source nor a variation of the Catholic Mass. Rather is a conscious mockery. That is why the order of the Black Mass is reversed with respect to the Catholic ritual, and the sacred Host is desecrated rather than consumed.

islandofdelight ago

Yes I believe many things about Catholic ritual are false and misleading, and this originally happened under the rule of Roman Emperor Constantine. The "Church" is a completely unnecessary middle-man to our connection to the God-Source-Universe. Jesus never intended that ritual was necessary to connect to the Christ-Consciousness which is another way of say 'absolute love'. Jesus taught that the connection to God was within all of us, completely internal not external.

lectorleoni ago

I doubt that I can convince you to reconsider your bigoted contempt of organized religion and your erroneous interpretation of the Gospel. That is your business. My only point was to correct the factual errors that you made concerning what Catholics believe about their own religion. I am a Catholic, so I speak for myself. Let me repeat the points once just to be absolutely clear: First, Catholics do not believe that the Eucharist is symbolic cannibalism as you claimed. And second, Catholics reject satanism, and satanists reject Catholicism.

With respect to Pizzagate, it's unfortunate, but OP's worry about the credibility of his research being adversely affected by any digression into these matters was obviously well founded. There is just so much disinformation and bad scholarship about all aspects of comparative religion and esoteric studies that it can seriously damage anything that comes to be associated with it. I'm sorry that I contributed to this process.

islandofdelight ago

I've already stated that I support the teaches of Jesus as truth. The Church as a structure is a prison for your mind. I feel sorry for you if you fear a concept of hell and feel that you need a man-made construct to make it to heaven. These ideas are contradictory to the teachings of Jesus.

I do not think Catholics believe they are doing anything wrong and I do not blame anyone for their confusion. There are demonic forces and their are angelic forces. Spirituality is a divine connection to God - Religion is a man-made archonic/demonic control structure to divert multi-dimensional energy towards parasitic entities.

Satanism is a huge part of Pizzagate, not one that can be easily proven, especially legally, but some people do want to understand. I speak my truth and do not care if people use my words as an attack. Satanists fear what I'm saying because they fear their manipulations being revealed.

lectorleoni ago

Actually, satanists ought to delight in what you're saying. The fact that you're not willing to recognize even very basic factual errors about Catholicism, the sources on which are far more certain and far easier to obtain than those on satanism, undermines the credibility of the true things that you say about satanists. You're easily turned into an example of why Pizzagate conspiracy theorists don't know what they're talking about, it's fake news, it's just a satanic panic, et cetera et cetera. That is why I tried to correct you.

islandofdelight ago

Don't you think it's a little bit ironic that the Vatican has become synonymous with pedophilia? Do you understand why this is? Do you understand why the Catholic church is obsessed with fear of afterlife, damnation and the suffering of Christ? These are anti-thetical to the teachings of Christ (Oneness, absolute love). Anti-Christ. You put the Church above Jesus.

lectorleoni ago

I understand exactly what has happened in the Vatican, but this is neither the time nor the place.

lectorleoni ago

The influence of Pythagorean and Oriental pagan mysticism on Kabbalah is pretty undeniable. I doubt that it is actually Jewish in origin. There are many recorded instances in the Old Testament of the Jewish people turning to the idols of their pagan neighbors and embracing magick. Kabbalah is really no different.

UglyTruth ago

There is an authentic source for much of the material, though it predates Judaism. Most of the occult practices described in the Torah exist in both positive and negative forms.

phlux ago

As a member of the Mayan Order, since disolved, I can attest to what you say - and am willing to share all my lessons from them with anyone who would like. We have always wanted an open awareness of reality and refer to ourselves as 'Systems Busters' -- and have personally been doing such for more than 20 years...

It is time.

eyeVoated ago

Can you make a post?

rail606 ago

While I agree they got some of the ideas from Pagans it is the Jewish race that really perfected rituals/ceremonial magick. It is also the language we got Satanist from. They have the most grandiose rituals and are the most secretive/tribal(stick together) race.

The only people on the planet not doing much magick in this day and age are Atheists. Yet even they put curses on people. "I hope that guy breaks his fucking legs" ect. You are telling the universe/god that you would like that to happen. This is magick and a bad way to think. This is why Jesus taught turn the other cheek. Be the bigger man. Don't hope for harm to befell your brothers and sisters. Be careful what you wish for!

lectorleoni ago

Well, I suppose it depends on how we define our terms. Aleister Crowley was a kind of atheist. Most of the (very few) Thelemites I have known were agnostics or Pyrrhonian skeptics. Magick also is an equivocal term. It is either the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with the will, or else it is the exercise of super-human abilities with the aid of a power other than the divine. Everyone has some form of religion, for whatever one loves above all things, the same is one's god.

The Jews had the most perfect system of ritual ceremony because they received it from God. They only had to keep it intact to remain perfect. It is my firm belief that all other religious and theosophical systems were imitators or simulacra of the original. Sed corruptio optima est pessima; choosing the simulacra having already known the true God, is the beginning of how they became the deicide race.

rail606 ago

I agree with everything you said. Religion is personal. Everyone has there own opinions and I am still learning and exploring mine. There are even Jews today who would tell you they are Jewish and yet are really Jewish-atheist. Do you have any more info on the history of how the Jews received the perfect ceremony?

And there is definitely science to magick. This is why atheist magick is the weakest. They do not chose the simulacra. They abandon rituals/magick all together. So will an athiest curse or wish work? Probably never. Many more important highly energized wills ahead of yours.

Marthvedderette ago

This is exactly how you get into satanism^^. Next thing you know, you'll be asking "so how exactly do I get a child to perform the abomination of moloch? I really need to win this election."

rail606 ago

Yep the idea is a slippery slope. But there is hope with this knowledge too! For even if you are christian you can believe it to be true and avoid thinking in ways that would cast selfish magick. Or avoid thinking in ways that would curse your brothers and sisters. In all honesty realizing this has lead to a very happy and blissful life for me. My mind is pure because that is what it must be. I must do as little harm mentally and as much good physically as I can. Just realizing my thoughts could perhaps affect the world around me removed all my stress/anxiety/anger. Those states are your choice and I chose not to harm others mentally.

No idea if magick really works I am not going to try and sacrifice/offer anything as I believe that shit to be purely evil with the wrong intentions. But casting magick in favor of trusting god is inherently Christian and I do that every day. I also pray that god conquers satan but I won't cast spells on hillary or anyone who follows him. Why? I feel bad for them really. They have been tricked and lied to. They are the ones in need of gods help the most. If anything we should pray for their salvation. They need it more then we do.

Marthvedderette ago

I don't know if they have been tricked. Everyone is presented with basically the same choices here on earth. When you make selfish decisions constantly, then your soul aligns with other selfish people, you find yourself surrounded by cutthroats and scoundrels, because you are one, and vis versa.

rail606 ago

And that is the beauty of it isn't it. Only cutthroats and scoundrels want to control the world ;).

They are very easy to spot.

DL4L ago

Again, I don't think a granular level discussion of the varieties of schools of thought surrounding magick is going to enhance the credibility of this post nor add value to it in the context that it has been presented. Such a topic, while intriguing and important, should be taken elsewhere in my opinion.

lectorleoni ago

I see your point. Since it is interesting, perhaps I'll address it under separate cover.

DL4L ago

I appreciate both your distinctions, but perhaps this forum is not the best place to engage on the finer points of ritual and ceremonial magick. I understand the relevance, but consider the context.