Who is contacting him? This absolutely has to stop.
However, I will say, that we know Alefantis is a very HEAVY HANDED intimidator - he could very well have made CC feel quite unsafe. The kid may have gotten one of those texting/phone calls, and may have been instructed to go on Facebook, show his acting chops, and deny everything in order to feel safe again. Just take a look at this again to remember that Alefantis is more than a nice pizza guy/weird doco producer. https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis
This response does prove 1) Alefantis/crew arranged for Crocker to visit the WH 2) Alefantis met Crocker before this WH date 3) Alefantis/crew picked up this teen viral and attractive sensation (a "chicken" type, no disrespect intended), began handling him by offering him "fame" though a documentary, then toured him around to different cities for openings and premiers. Sounds like handling a hot property to me.
Later this person becomes a porno star. Seems almost anything Alefantis touches turns into money-for-sex at some point, doesn't it.
Also if mind control were involved in any way, Crocker might very well not remember what happened on that visit. I'm not saying this happened, or is likely, but every possiblity must be considered.
The volume of incriminating information being circulated and reported on, is massive.... That's my excuse for asking the following question.... Fucking james is IN the band heavy breathing? I know that they played at comet, and that james was speculated as being amanda klieman... But is there a simply, definitive answer to the question, "Is james achilles alefantis, in the band, HEavy Breathing.?"
I know when it was created, 1/3/2017, and I know he's not going to all of a sudden make a page and admit he's in Heavy Breathing, if it was hidden up until that page was created. He's mentioned in nothing of theirs, other than them performing at Comet, up until this page. With his ego? Not a chance, his name would be all over their webpages.
I think there is a chance - you don't KNOW. He's a suprieme egoist. However, it of course could be someone making it up. Nevertheless Heavy Breathing was like a house band at Comet Ping Pong, and it has MK Ultra style mind control elements all over it. He has also appeared in the Majestic Ape mask. His pic is in at least one of the videos, and there is a high probability he was involved in the video production at least, 'cause that's one of his favorite things. I thnk he was a producer of visual/audio psychotropic materials which helped to set the scene for the blackmail parties - terrorize the kids and mind warp the potential rapists, get the photo, archive. The circumstantial evidence points in the direction that that was one of his jobs. Amanda Kleinman calls herself "puppet" - he's her handler.
You can't prove he appeared in the majestic ape mask, that's all assumption. Why are you making things up? I can tell that's Amanda in those threads and I've argued that. What would it change if JA was Majestic Ape?
Incorrect, it has been proven way beyond reasonable doubt. More than one voat and you tube offering compares specific photos with Alefantis unmistakable mouth characteristics wearing the MA mask. If you are actually interested in this topic, you can find them.
It looks like you are "making things up". His picture appeared in the video. I don't care to argue with you anymore- have a great day.
Confirmation bias. It's Amanda, there's nothing but hearsay to suggest otherwise. There's plenty of pics to compare, I've seen the threads and videos, I've compared for myself in Photoshop.
again yes. IMO he acts as a producer. He doesn't do the "house pedo parties" with the band but produces the material. Amanda Kleinman is Majestic Ape's "beard" so to speak. Alefantis likely considers himself the true "Majestic Ape" in line with his ego. He also considers himself an artist.
Wait... You're not saying "again" to me specifically, right? If so I didn't see your first comment.... But do you have a source on any of that ? Not saying you're wrong... I'd just like to have a source before factoring this into any thing... I Know the connect to the band obviously, But is there a source that indicates he is involved as a band member or producer?
I can say that he is at least intimately involved with producing the videos - his best friend that french guy is I believe the "Pedo Perv" in I No Luv. Amanda Beard (Edit:oops freudian slip - I mean Amanda Kleinman) acts as his beard and takes his role as dominator. He is pictured subliminally on a quick picture shot with his head on a tongue in another video.
As band member there is the link that I provided but The Puppet Show questions. I'm talking about this page - https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis I dont' know about the proceedure TPS used to document the date of that web page but if he is correct it does call into question its validity, however I argue that Alefantis himself could have put that out, as he is a supreme egoist and when he sees all the views and talk about Heavy Breathing, he just may want the credit because he does consider himself an artist. It doesn't have to have been a trolling page as TPS says it 100% absolute certainty and no proof because "TPS knows". I don't trust TPS because of how he argues, with such certainty and so dismissively, even after all this time with a lot of connections to Alefantis, the Majestic Ape mask, and the band as a house band at CPP. If he is CTR he may have himself whipped up that page that shows when the page was created.
ThePuppetShow also asks - even if it was Alefantis what does it matter? This is the most CTR shill position you can take. It MATTERS because
1. Alefantis would be incontrovertably connected to pedophilia imagery and associations
2. Alefantis would not just be the nice pizza guy who spends all his time on community philanthropy like he tries to say about himself. He is the creator if deeply disturbing pedo oriented art at the very least.
3. It may be the beginning of peeling back a CIA MK Ultra unit of production and activity, aimed at the political class in DC
There are probably other reasons It could matter and to have to spell it out seems ridiculous but okay I guess everything needs to be 'splained like someone reading is 5 (not you, ThePuppetShow TPS) so there it is.
I agree with everything but your source for him being "more than a nice guy/weird doco producer". That page only carbon dates back to 1/3/2017 so it's more than likely someone trolling.
ahhh. Ok, I should have kept reading before I made my comment questioning the validity of that page.... That being said, Do you really think it was someone trolling? I instinctively assumed it was someone that was trying to spread information, albeit not an effective way, as it's super detrimental to be caught fabricating information about the entities and persons involved.... But the broad implications at play here, can be seen by even the retards...and being retarded doesn't mean you're a bad person, infact, I'd argue most retards are better people than most non retards... But just because a retard has good intentions, doesn't make his acts any less retarded.
You could be right, people have been pushing this JA is MA misinfo pretty hard, it's hard to tell if they're sincere or if they have an agenda. I assume agenda because, even if it was JA dressed as MA at Sasha's party, which it wasn't, it's not going to change anything. Still the same creepy ass "jokes" told in his "family" restaurant. To me, it just seems like a giant waste of time trying to prove that.
For instance, pretend it was JA playing Majestic Ape at the party. Now what?
"Ah ha! It was him who told those creepy "jokes"."
That's it, there's nothing else to say. If they really "euthanized" a child, they did it, regardless of who told the joke.
As far as the manager liking young boys comment, we already know that JA likes young boys, he proved that with #chickenlover and by calling himself a chicken hawk. So again, it's true no matter who told the "joke".
You know... I'm on the fence as to whether he likes underage boys, sells them, or uses them for brownstone operations. As of right now, The facts leads me to believe he probably just sells them and uses them for brownstone operations. But My rational is telling me that he probably fucks them too... But My "rational" conclusions have been wrong... many times.
My guess is all of the above, but I've been wrong plenty of times, also. He could be the disposal guy too. Pizza oven, secret ingredient.. "fucking ketchup" from a Arby's that doesn't exist.. Killroom..
I just try to stay away from that stuff now because it turns people off, it sounds crazy.
First openly gay congressman barney frank was also running gay prostitues from his house while dating one I believe. I can't even imagine the depravity a gay with executive authority would unleash.
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VieBleu ago
Who is contacting him? This absolutely has to stop.
However, I will say, that we know Alefantis is a very HEAVY HANDED intimidator - he could very well have made CC feel quite unsafe. The kid may have gotten one of those texting/phone calls, and may have been instructed to go on Facebook, show his acting chops, and deny everything in order to feel safe again. Just take a look at this again to remember that Alefantis is more than a nice pizza guy/weird doco producer. https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis
This response does prove 1) Alefantis/crew arranged for Crocker to visit the WH 2) Alefantis met Crocker before this WH date 3) Alefantis/crew picked up this teen viral and attractive sensation (a "chicken" type, no disrespect intended), began handling him by offering him "fame" though a documentary, then toured him around to different cities for openings and premiers. Sounds like handling a hot property to me.
Later this person becomes a porno star. Seems almost anything Alefantis touches turns into money-for-sex at some point, doesn't it.
Also if mind control were involved in any way, Crocker might very well not remember what happened on that visit. I'm not saying this happened, or is likely, but every possiblity must be considered.
Just sayin'
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
The volume of incriminating information being circulated and reported on, is massive.... That's my excuse for asking the following question.... Fucking james is IN the band heavy breathing? I know that they played at comet, and that james was speculated as being amanda klieman... But is there a simply, definitive answer to the question, "Is james achilles alefantis, in the band, HEavy Breathing.?"
VieBleu ago
The answer is yes. .https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis
Whose to say Alefantis didn't create this page to take credit for his "great artistic genius".
ThePuppetShow ago
No.
VieBleu ago
don't agree, but didn't see your comment below again. will look back into it.
ThePuppetShow ago
This page is fake. We went over this ^ up there.
Edit: My bad.. It's down there
VieBleu ago
You are jumping to conclusions. You don't know that Alefantis didn't create this.
ThePuppetShow ago
I know when it was created, 1/3/2017, and I know he's not going to all of a sudden make a page and admit he's in Heavy Breathing, if it was hidden up until that page was created. He's mentioned in nothing of theirs, other than them performing at Comet, up until this page. With his ego? Not a chance, his name would be all over their webpages.
VieBleu ago
I think there is a chance - you don't KNOW. He's a suprieme egoist. However, it of course could be someone making it up. Nevertheless Heavy Breathing was like a house band at Comet Ping Pong, and it has MK Ultra style mind control elements all over it. He has also appeared in the Majestic Ape mask. His pic is in at least one of the videos, and there is a high probability he was involved in the video production at least, 'cause that's one of his favorite things. I thnk he was a producer of visual/audio psychotropic materials which helped to set the scene for the blackmail parties - terrorize the kids and mind warp the potential rapists, get the photo, archive. The circumstantial evidence points in the direction that that was one of his jobs. Amanda Kleinman calls herself "puppet" - he's her handler.
ThePuppetShow ago
You can't prove he appeared in the majestic ape mask, that's all assumption. Why are you making things up? I can tell that's Amanda in those threads and I've argued that. What would it change if JA was Majestic Ape?
That wasn't him in the tongue suit.
VieBleu ago
Incorrect, it has been proven way beyond reasonable doubt. More than one voat and you tube offering compares specific photos with Alefantis unmistakable mouth characteristics wearing the MA mask. If you are actually interested in this topic, you can find them.
It looks like you are "making things up". His picture appeared in the video. I don't care to argue with you anymore- have a great day.
ThePuppetShow ago
Confirmation bias. It's Amanda, there's nothing but hearsay to suggest otherwise. There's plenty of pics to compare, I've seen the threads and videos, I've compared for myself in Photoshop.
What would it change if JA was Majestic Ape?
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
i know. I answerd my question, in another comment. Should have kept reading before making the comment you're saying "no" to.
VieBleu ago
again yes. IMO he acts as a producer. He doesn't do the "house pedo parties" with the band but produces the material. Amanda Kleinman is Majestic Ape's "beard" so to speak. Alefantis likely considers himself the true "Majestic Ape" in line with his ego. He also considers himself an artist.
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
Wait... You're not saying "again" to me specifically, right? If so I didn't see your first comment.... But do you have a source on any of that ? Not saying you're wrong... I'd just like to have a source before factoring this into any thing... I Know the connect to the band obviously, But is there a source that indicates he is involved as a band member or producer?
VieBleu ago
This is all a tricky question - as far as producer, I can tell you no there is no source for that. That is and always has been my theory. It may be good for you to look at these if you haven't before - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1453400 and https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1472527
I can say that he is at least intimately involved with producing the videos - his best friend that french guy is I believe the "Pedo Perv" in I No Luv. Amanda Beard (Edit:oops freudian slip - I mean Amanda Kleinman) acts as his beard and takes his role as dominator. He is pictured subliminally on a quick picture shot with his head on a tongue in another video.
As band member there is the link that I provided but The Puppet Show questions. I'm talking about this page - https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis I dont' know about the proceedure TPS used to document the date of that web page but if he is correct it does call into question its validity, however I argue that Alefantis himself could have put that out, as he is a supreme egoist and when he sees all the views and talk about Heavy Breathing, he just may want the credit because he does consider himself an artist. It doesn't have to have been a trolling page as TPS says it 100% absolute certainty and no proof because "TPS knows". I don't trust TPS because of how he argues, with such certainty and so dismissively, even after all this time with a lot of connections to Alefantis, the Majestic Ape mask, and the band as a house band at CPP. If he is CTR he may have himself whipped up that page that shows when the page was created.
ThePuppetShow also asks - even if it was Alefantis what does it matter? This is the most CTR shill position you can take. It MATTERS because 1. Alefantis would be incontrovertably connected to pedophilia imagery and associations 2. Alefantis would not just be the nice pizza guy who spends all his time on community philanthropy like he tries to say about himself. He is the creator if deeply disturbing pedo oriented art at the very least. 3. It may be the beginning of peeling back a CIA MK Ultra unit of production and activity, aimed at the political class in DC
There are probably other reasons It could matter and to have to spell it out seems ridiculous but okay I guess everything needs to be 'splained like someone reading is 5 (not you, ThePuppetShow TPS) so there it is.
ThePuppetShow ago
I was just being a smart ass.
VieBleu ago
see below
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
Oh... well then step up your smart ass game. That was some weak shit. Based on my comment, you had a lot to work with. Amateur.
ThePuppetShow ago
Hahaha
ThePuppetShow ago
I agree with everything but your source for him being "more than a nice guy/weird doco producer". That page only carbon dates back to 1/3/2017 so it's more than likely someone trolling.
http://carbondate.cs.odu.edu/cd?url=https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis
http://carbondate.cs.odu.edu - No results
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
ahhh. Ok, I should have kept reading before I made my comment questioning the validity of that page.... That being said, Do you really think it was someone trolling? I instinctively assumed it was someone that was trying to spread information, albeit not an effective way, as it's super detrimental to be caught fabricating information about the entities and persons involved.... But the broad implications at play here, can be seen by even the retards...and being retarded doesn't mean you're a bad person, infact, I'd argue most retards are better people than most non retards... But just because a retard has good intentions, doesn't make his acts any less retarded.
ThePuppetShow ago
You could be right, people have been pushing this JA is MA misinfo pretty hard, it's hard to tell if they're sincere or if they have an agenda. I assume agenda because, even if it was JA dressed as MA at Sasha's party, which it wasn't, it's not going to change anything. Still the same creepy ass "jokes" told in his "family" restaurant. To me, it just seems like a giant waste of time trying to prove that.
For instance, pretend it was JA playing Majestic Ape at the party. Now what?
That's it, there's nothing else to say. If they really "euthanized" a child, they did it, regardless of who told the joke.
As far as the manager liking young boys comment, we already know that JA likes young boys, he proved that with #chickenlover and by calling himself a chicken hawk. So again, it's true no matter who told the "joke".
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
You know... I'm on the fence as to whether he likes underage boys, sells them, or uses them for brownstone operations. As of right now, The facts leads me to believe he probably just sells them and uses them for brownstone operations. But My rational is telling me that he probably fucks them too... But My "rational" conclusions have been wrong... many times.
ThePuppetShow ago
My guess is all of the above, but I've been wrong plenty of times, also. He could be the disposal guy too. Pizza oven, secret ingredient.. "fucking ketchup" from a Arby's that doesn't exist.. Killroom..
I just try to stay away from that stuff now because it turns people off, it sounds crazy.
VieBleu ago
ok thanks for that and noted.
Don-Keyhote ago
First openly gay congressman barney frank was also running gay prostitues from his house while dating one I believe. I can't even imagine the depravity a gay with executive authority would unleash.
VieBleu ago
No worse than what we have already all over the place. Gay or straight, depravity is depravity.