The Talmud is a tough source, period. There's no way to prove it's real or followed, just like Albert Pikes letter, 3 world wars, but you brought it up so I figured I would give you my view.
I'm not surprised you copy your comments. I don't really think it should be a moderator rule to personally archive someone's post w/ formatting before deleting, but it's not the worst idea for the awareness to exist.
It's definately political blackmail and devil worship, I just believe the the Talmud Jews are only one clique. Look at all the people involved who aren't Jewish and look at all the Jewish people who aren't involved. Anyways, that has nothing to do with the thread in question. That thread was about CNN, Buzfeed and potentially the CIA getting trolled by 4chan.
If a person can be linked to a pure and perfect religion, then we have to throw out bad apples. If the person and the religion are bad, then we have to point it out.
We don't need to go on witch hunts, and I know that we're not perfect, but we have to keep trying. Nobody is firing up the gas chambers, so I see no need for such caution against some groups.
We've been hitting the DNC without reservations, yet the DNC isn't completely bad. So why do they get no protections, while other groups do??
Interesting, it started to seem like you actually gave a shit. Apparently not. Reddit even left that first story up on The_Donald, pitiful. Noted though.. Peace
And this is where you're very wrong. I'm a reasonable person. I don't consider myself anti-semitic, alt-right, racist, homophobic, whatever label you want throw at someone based on what agenda the MSM has for the week to silence opposing views.
If you don't know the specific ties to the very Satanic practices we are researching here in /v/pizzagate, then you've limited your sources of information that would lead to a better understanding of what we're dealing with her. Every single one of your "Yet" points is basic common sense.
EVERY religion has some offshoot of cult activity and criminal element associated with it. EVERY one. How does the FBI investigate these crimes? They consult experts that have an understanding of the religious background/history of the groups involved. We are citizen investigators, yes, but if you call for censoring sources that provide an angle that might lead to a person, website, group that is directly involved in that activity then we might as well say game over right now. Because you've just censored the CORE of what we're trying to uncover.
I'm a professed Christian. I want everyone to investigate any offshoot of Christianity that will expose pedophilia. If you're Catholic/Muslim/Buddhist/Athiest/Agnostic, you should want the same.
Read the last statement I added, this reasoning also shouldn't allow any groups to be excluded from research
it was just a warning to posts I see getting deleted because the allegate anyone who holds those beliefs, and I tried making the case that having a belief isn't what can make a person guilty, it's their actions...
Fair enough. And I agree with your post, though I interpreted the intent a different way than you apparently meant it. I will read through the resubmitted post in the other subverse.
The way you've phrased this means it will get downvoted mercilessly but I agree with the point you are trying to making with regard to discussing historical elements. Any mention of Christianity, Islam, Protestantism, Buddhism, HInduism, et al, are left alone. Only those mentioning anything even remotely connected to Judaism are immediately deleted. That's a problem.
rule 4: this is meta, gotta remove it, but thanks for posting it. I will save it for explaining future deletions of Amalek's "Talmud pedophilia" nonsense.
you know what really sucks... If you delete something I can't edit or view source of the OP. If someone wants to repost but does not have a copy of the source text with the links, it takes a lot of work making a repost.....
If I had known that, I would have copied the source text for you before deleting. Still, shouldn't take much work to just copy and add the links back in, and do a bit of formatting.
Interesting. This is a Voat coding thing, I believe.
I'll look into ways of mitigating this once I get some quality time in front of a computer. In the meantime (and likely semi-permanently), perhaps @Millennial_Falcon would be keen to address the mod team about this case so they can at least be aware.
As for the user side, tjarco, your best practice is to keep a local copy of the post. (This also should perhaps be recommended by mods, pinging @kevdude to chime in if he wants.) Voat is in a state of constant growth and with that comes growing pains. Before the great pizza migration, our posts & comments were swallowed up on the regular by a pernicious bug. I am in the habit of at least making sure my longer comments are at least copied to my clipboard before I hit submit.
Is it reasonable to suggest that instead of deleting posts based on relevance to the sub-verse, that the post be moved to a unique subverse specifically for this purpose where the OP can still work with the original and keep the integrity of the post and voats it has received? I'm not suggesting this for all deleted posts, of course. Just those that are deemed to be posted in the wrong area. The OP can then resubmit it to the appropriate forum without starting all over. Or, if it's not moved after X number of days then delete it.
I initially thought the Mod could simply make a comment as they do today that the post does not adhere to rule and move it to the appropriate subverse, but that would likely create more conflict and work for the mods to make those types of decisions.
**disclaimer - I'm new here and I've clearly never moderated a group so if this suggestion is considered ridiculous, just kindly tell me it's just not feasible and that will suffice. I'm aware enough to know that there's a lot to keep up with that adding another layer could prove too cumbersome, but wanted to throw it out there for consideration.
I don't know if or how moving posts worked on Reddit (or, to reiterate, if that's even possible) but one can't really "move" a post on Voat.
So, all that being said, the mods essentially "delete" the post after asking it to be reposted somewhere else (v/pizzagatewhatever) or at least otherwise specifically commenting as to why the submission doesn't fit the subverse's guidelines.
The thing about Voat is that "deleted" submissions and comments are essentially always visible by viewing the modlogs in the sidebar (eg deleted submissions, deleted comments, subverse bans).
So... The Voat difference is that while mods can be assholes, there is an easy way to see exactly how they are assholes and the "removed" submissions still exist in the database, along with a (moderator submitted) reason for the deletion. So, they're not gone: They just no longer show up in the new or hot or top queues.
Gotcha, thanks for the reply. I hate to see a really good post that has had a lot of interaction suddenly go back to zero comments and voats, which is what the poster has to do in order to resubmit it to the correct area. Perhaps it isn't as relevant in the other subscriptions - I haven't yet explored much beyond here as of yet - so I'm looking at it from the narrow angle of this sub-verse.
Generally Voat has a don't delete/don't ban policy, but yalls newcomers plus the whole PG investigating theme are fucking that up. Please, explore the site. There's much more to see.
This was covered in grade school. Obviously. Now quit your crybaby act and join us at the college level. Or are you just going to keep whining like a little bitch? Shill.
Let's up vote this into oblivion. I am sick of seeing blanket statements by racists. Stop it. You will not convince someone by your statements. People already believe it or don't. You are wasting your time. I will not stop knocking your nasty comments.
In the same vain. Don't give groups blanket passes. No group should be out of bounds. Let the evidence speak for itself, instead of going with your feelings.
Also muslims and jews have it in their holy books and part of their religion that pedophilia is allowed. Unless you are saying we can't use their own beliefs against them, I agree with you.
If you think this isn't expressed clearly in my OP, please suggest an edit - this is what I wanted to share with this OP but since your comment I think I failed :-)
Wouldn't "linked to ritualistic abuse of children" be a better metric than "linked to pedophilia"?
I agree that it's important not to generalize, but your above suggestion that almost every group has associations with pedophilia becomes a lot weaker if you get more specific. Instead of pedophilia, talk about ritualistic abuse of children. Here, listen to Oprah:
It's important not to generalize, but also to go where evidence leads. If any religion does have a problem with ritualistic abuse, you're doing it a favor by rooting out that evil shit.
excellent point! this post was a few searches with religion + paedophillia and check what comes up, can do the same for ritual abuse of children - as this thread is deleted https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1559627
What about all the shit the mods delete, just for kicks or their own personal opinion?
There isn't even an explanation in this thread and we all watched @Investigate1999 get kicked off the mod team for this on the pizzagategear thread. Is @Valcore untouchable?
The first one is only tangentially relevant. It is somewhat relevant because it has bearing on the media bias in their treatment of pizzagate. However, this sub is focused on direct investigation. For the most part, media stuff belongs in /v/pizzagatewhatever.
The second one is just really tenuous. It's an ad for a zoo event, so there isn't really a reason to assume the panda is a pedo reference.
Both of these were somewhat of a gray area, but they can go on /v/pizzagatewhatever.
More opinion? The first one had almost 250 upvotes how about you let the community decide what is important instead of censoring important information.
The second one was just an example of how shitty you guys deal with questions, which seems to be not at all.
Demand complete, fool-proof and guaranteed solutions to the problems being discussed. For example, if a reporter breaks the story that the big banks conspired to rig a market, ask “given that people are selfish and that no regulation can close all possible loopholes … how are you going to change human nature?”, and pretend that it’s not worth talking about the details of the market manipulation. This discourages people from reporting on and publicizing the corruption, fraud and other real problems. And it ensures that not enough people will spread the facts so that the majority know what’s really going on.
Yeah, honestly, I don't even think we should respond to their nonsense. It's mostly (if not all) Amalek using his sockpuppet accounts and spoofed IP's to upvote and comment on his own posts. (Amalek is a user who has openly threatened to use his many accounts to take over pizzagate and make the narrative all about Jews.)
ThePuppetShow ago
The Talmud is a tough source, period. There's no way to prove it's real or followed, just like Albert Pikes letter, 3 world wars, but you brought it up so I figured I would give you my view.
heygeorge ago
I'm not surprised you copy your comments. I don't really think it should be a moderator rule to personally archive someone's post w/ formatting before deleting, but it's not the worst idea for the awareness to exist.
ThePuppetShow ago
It's definately political blackmail and devil worship, I just believe the the Talmud Jews are only one clique. Look at all the people involved who aren't Jewish and look at all the Jewish people who aren't involved. Anyways, that has nothing to do with the thread in question. That thread was about CNN, Buzfeed and potentially the CIA getting trolled by 4chan.
ThePuppetShow ago
I appreciate your honesty.
Investigate1999 ago
I agree.
If a person can be linked to a pure and perfect religion, then we have to throw out bad apples. If the person and the religion are bad, then we have to point it out.
We don't need to go on witch hunts, and I know that we're not perfect, but we have to keep trying. Nobody is firing up the gas chambers, so I see no need for such caution against some groups.
We've been hitting the DNC without reservations, yet the DNC isn't completely bad. So why do they get no protections, while other groups do??
ThePuppetShow ago
Interesting, it started to seem like you actually gave a shit. Apparently not. Reddit even left that first story up on The_Donald, pitiful. Noted though.. Peace
carmencita ago
Have a nice day. I am too busy investigating to go around in circles about THIS.
Ronnilynn31 ago
And this is where you're very wrong. I'm a reasonable person. I don't consider myself anti-semitic, alt-right, racist, homophobic, whatever label you want throw at someone based on what agenda the MSM has for the week to silence opposing views.
If you don't know the specific ties to the very Satanic practices we are researching here in /v/pizzagate, then you've limited your sources of information that would lead to a better understanding of what we're dealing with her. Every single one of your "Yet" points is basic common sense.
EVERY religion has some offshoot of cult activity and criminal element associated with it. EVERY one. How does the FBI investigate these crimes? They consult experts that have an understanding of the religious background/history of the groups involved. We are citizen investigators, yes, but if you call for censoring sources that provide an angle that might lead to a person, website, group that is directly involved in that activity then we might as well say game over right now. Because you've just censored the CORE of what we're trying to uncover.
I'm a professed Christian. I want everyone to investigate any offshoot of Christianity that will expose pedophilia. If you're Catholic/Muslim/Buddhist/Athiest/Agnostic, you should want the same.
tjarco ago
I agree with you, but my goal is 100% to prevent censoring
since this thread is now deleted https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1559627
Read the last statement I added, this reasoning also shouldn't allow any groups to be excluded from research
it was just a warning to posts I see getting deleted because the allegate anyone who holds those beliefs, and I tried making the case that having a belief isn't what can make a person guilty, it's their actions...
Ronnilynn31 ago
Fair enough. And I agree with your post, though I interpreted the intent a different way than you apparently meant it. I will read through the resubmitted post in the other subverse.
tjarco ago
well that is what makes a person suspiscious, not their beliefs imho - as this thread is deleted - https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1559627
carmencita ago
Sexists and racists and others (you know who I mean) are in a class by themselves. I will not fall into this trap.
tjarco ago
REPOST!!!!! https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1559627
zzvoat ago
The way you've phrased this means it will get downvoted mercilessly but I agree with the point you are trying to making with regard to discussing historical elements. Any mention of Christianity, Islam, Protestantism, Buddhism, HInduism, et al, are left alone. Only those mentioning anything even remotely connected to Judaism are immediately deleted. That's a problem.
zzvoat ago
Jews are linked to Paedophillia, ...
Christianity is linked to Paedophillia, ...
Islam is linked to Peadophillia, ...
Budhism is linked to Paedophillia, ...
Hinduism is linked to Paedophillia, ,,,
Scientology is linked to Paedophillia, ...
Atheism is linked to Paedophillia, ...
+++++
All of the statements above name a religion, a faith tradition, a philosophy, or a world view using a global term.
Only one refers to individuals.
Within the context of discussing deletions, that's problematic.
tjarco ago
your 100% right, I should have stated Judaism
Millennial_Falcon ago
rule 4: this is meta, gotta remove it, but thanks for posting it. I will save it for explaining future deletions of Amalek's "Talmud pedophilia" nonsense.
tjarco ago
you know what really sucks... If you delete something I can't edit or view source of the OP. If someone wants to repost but does not have a copy of the source text with the links, it takes a lot of work making a repost.....
Millennial_Falcon ago
If I had known that, I would have copied the source text for you before deleting. Still, shouldn't take much work to just copy and add the links back in, and do a bit of formatting.
tjarco ago
seeing this is the case for all deleted posts is this something @heygeorge could fix, or is this just another bummer feature of VOAT?
heygeorge ago
Interesting. This is a Voat coding thing, I believe.
I'll look into ways of mitigating this once I get some quality time in front of a computer. In the meantime (and likely semi-permanently), perhaps @Millennial_Falcon would be keen to address the mod team about this case so they can at least be aware.
As for the user side, tjarco, your best practice is to keep a local copy of the post. (This also should perhaps be recommended by mods, pinging @kevdude to chime in if he wants.) Voat is in a state of constant growth and with that comes growing pains. Before the great pizza migration, our posts & comments were swallowed up on the regular by a pernicious bug. I am in the habit of at least making sure my longer comments are at least copied to my clipboard before I hit submit.
Ronnilynn31 ago
Is it reasonable to suggest that instead of deleting posts based on relevance to the sub-verse, that the post be moved to a unique subverse specifically for this purpose where the OP can still work with the original and keep the integrity of the post and voats it has received? I'm not suggesting this for all deleted posts, of course. Just those that are deemed to be posted in the wrong area. The OP can then resubmit it to the appropriate forum without starting all over. Or, if it's not moved after X number of days then delete it.
I initially thought the Mod could simply make a comment as they do today that the post does not adhere to rule and move it to the appropriate subverse, but that would likely create more conflict and work for the mods to make those types of decisions.
**disclaimer - I'm new here and I've clearly never moderated a group so if this suggestion is considered ridiculous, just kindly tell me it's just not feasible and that will suffice. I'm aware enough to know that there's a lot to keep up with that adding another layer could prove too cumbersome, but wanted to throw it out there for consideration.
heygeorge ago
I don't know if or how moving posts worked on Reddit (or, to reiterate, if that's even possible) but one can't really "move" a post on Voat.
So, all that being said, the mods essentially "delete" the post after asking it to be reposted somewhere else (v/pizzagatewhatever) or at least otherwise specifically commenting as to why the submission doesn't fit the subverse's guidelines.
The thing about Voat is that "deleted" submissions and comments are essentially always visible by viewing the modlogs in the sidebar (eg deleted submissions, deleted comments, subverse bans).
So... The Voat difference is that while mods can be assholes, there is an easy way to see exactly how they are assholes and the "removed" submissions still exist in the database, along with a (moderator submitted) reason for the deletion. So, they're not gone: They just no longer show up in the new or hot or top queues.
Ronnilynn31 ago
Gotcha, thanks for the reply. I hate to see a really good post that has had a lot of interaction suddenly go back to zero comments and voats, which is what the poster has to do in order to resubmit it to the correct area. Perhaps it isn't as relevant in the other subscriptions - I haven't yet explored much beyond here as of yet - so I'm looking at it from the narrow angle of this sub-verse.
heygeorge ago
Generally Voat has a don't delete/don't ban policy, but yalls newcomers plus the whole PG investigating theme are fucking that up. Please, explore the site. There's much more to see.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Don't know. I'm sure he will get back to you, since you pinged him.
heygeorge ago
I pinged you in my reply to tjarco but typo'd your username.
ThePuppetShow ago
So, first you participate pretty heavily in the thread, then this.. Good cover. That top post could have got out of hand.
tjarco ago
a cat is a feline animal a jew is someone who practices jewish beliefs.
generalisation occurs when when attributes of individuals belonging to said definitions are being accepted as true for everyone in that definition.
Blacksmith21 ago
I knew I liked you @tjarco
tjarco ago
*brohug
eyeVoated ago
This was covered in grade school. Obviously. Now quit your crybaby act and join us at the college level. Or are you just going to keep whining like a little bitch? Shill.
Kawksnahch ago
don't forget everyone confusing freemasonry with the OTO
zzvoat ago
If there was equal opportunity deleting for each of the groups mentioned above, I'd agree. There isn't.
carmencita ago
Let's up vote this into oblivion. I am sick of seeing blanket statements by racists. Stop it. You will not convince someone by your statements. People already believe it or don't. You are wasting your time. I will not stop knocking your nasty comments.
smokratez ago
In the same vain. Don't give groups blanket passes. No group should be out of bounds. Let the evidence speak for itself, instead of going with your feelings.
Also muslims and jews have it in their holy books and part of their religion that pedophilia is allowed. Unless you are saying we can't use their own beliefs against them, I agree with you.
tjarco ago
If you think this isn't expressed clearly in my OP, please suggest an edit - this is what I wanted to share with this OP but since your comment I think I failed :-)
dickface8 ago
Solid reasoning.
rangerkozak ago
Wouldn't "linked to ritualistic abuse of children" be a better metric than "linked to pedophilia"?
I agree that it's important not to generalize, but your above suggestion that almost every group has associations with pedophilia becomes a lot weaker if you get more specific. Instead of pedophilia, talk about ritualistic abuse of children. Here, listen to Oprah:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uMpE2y3YvQ
(I need to read the book Lilith's Cave.)
It's important not to generalize, but also to go where evidence leads. If any religion does have a problem with ritualistic abuse, you're doing it a favor by rooting out that evil shit.
tjarco ago
excellent point! this post was a few searches with religion + paedophillia and check what comes up, can do the same for ritual abuse of children - as this thread is deleted https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1559627
Toogi23 ago
Well said @tjarco. The problem is people. People commit these crimes. People that are affiliated with every walk of life.
ThePuppetShow ago
Since this is a meta post anyways....
What about all the shit the mods delete, just for kicks or their own personal opinion?
There isn't even an explanation in this thread and we all watched @Investigate1999 get kicked off the mod team for this on the pizzagategear thread. Is @Valcore untouchable?
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1556225/7587304
This was completly ignored also.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1552639/7562621
Millennial_Falcon ago
The first one is only tangentially relevant. It is somewhat relevant because it has bearing on the media bias in their treatment of pizzagate. However, this sub is focused on direct investigation. For the most part, media stuff belongs in /v/pizzagatewhatever.
The second one is just really tenuous. It's an ad for a zoo event, so there isn't really a reason to assume the panda is a pedo reference.
Both of these were somewhat of a gray area, but they can go on /v/pizzagatewhatever.
ThePuppetShow ago
More opinion? The first one had almost 250 upvotes how about you let the community decide what is important instead of censoring important information.
The second one was just an example of how shitty you guys deal with questions, which seems to be not at all.
Is @kevdude still a mod?
heygeorge ago
Is it that difficult to see the sidebar mod list where you live?
Investigate1999 ago
I think that the sidebar is manually updated. When I was a mod, the sidebar didn't always have my name.
heygeorge ago
Mods listed on the sidebar are generated by the system. The display can be modified by sub mods. But this is not likely what you experienced.
Investigate1999 ago
Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying.
ThePuppetShow ago
On my phone, yes. For some reason I can't get the menu to open.
heygeorge ago
Fair enough. kevdude stepped down as he originally intended. He just came around to help define the rules more clearly and promote even enforcement.
ThePuppetShow ago
Thank you.
ThePuppetShow ago
Guide to internet trolls...
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/04/beat-internet-trolls.html
Millennial_Falcon ago
Hm, sounds like bullshit.
dindonufin ago
It's not about race or religion. Those are the implements of our adversary.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Yeah, honestly, I don't even think we should respond to their nonsense. It's mostly (if not all) Amalek using his sockpuppet accounts and spoofed IP's to upvote and comment on his own posts. (Amalek is a user who has openly threatened to use his many accounts to take over pizzagate and make the narrative all about Jews.)
tjarco ago
whether that is true or not this post is as much a response to them as a warning to everyone else..
VieBleu ago
THANK YOU
up up up and away up voted
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4warned ago
Great post. Don't generalize. Here's another example of fake news/ generalization, Pope Francis never said "one in fifty priests is a pedophile." http://www.medicaldaily.com/did-pope-francis-really-say-1-50-priests-are-pedophiles-Vatican-says-papal-interview-manipulative Bad enough there's clerical abuse. Worse when people seeking the truth are inundated with fake news. Double check sources. MAGA.
Toogi23 ago
Dont shoot me down for this, I've seen it written a few times, but what is Maga?
4warned ago
Make America Great Again!
Toogi23 ago
Oh, now I feel stupid lol sorry :) I'm not in US.
4warned ago
Sorry. Let's say ' make the world great again.