rule 4: this is meta, gotta remove it, but thanks for posting it. I will save it for explaining future deletions of Amalek's "Talmud pedophilia" nonsense.
you know what really sucks... If you delete something I can't edit or view source of the OP. If someone wants to repost but does not have a copy of the source text with the links, it takes a lot of work making a repost.....
If I had known that, I would have copied the source text for you before deleting. Still, shouldn't take much work to just copy and add the links back in, and do a bit of formatting.
Interesting. This is a Voat coding thing, I believe.
I'll look into ways of mitigating this once I get some quality time in front of a computer. In the meantime (and likely semi-permanently), perhaps @Millennial_Falcon would be keen to address the mod team about this case so they can at least be aware.
As for the user side, tjarco, your best practice is to keep a local copy of the post. (This also should perhaps be recommended by mods, pinging @kevdude to chime in if he wants.) Voat is in a state of constant growth and with that comes growing pains. Before the great pizza migration, our posts & comments were swallowed up on the regular by a pernicious bug. I am in the habit of at least making sure my longer comments are at least copied to my clipboard before I hit submit.
Is it reasonable to suggest that instead of deleting posts based on relevance to the sub-verse, that the post be moved to a unique subverse specifically for this purpose where the OP can still work with the original and keep the integrity of the post and voats it has received? I'm not suggesting this for all deleted posts, of course. Just those that are deemed to be posted in the wrong area. The OP can then resubmit it to the appropriate forum without starting all over. Or, if it's not moved after X number of days then delete it.
I initially thought the Mod could simply make a comment as they do today that the post does not adhere to rule and move it to the appropriate subverse, but that would likely create more conflict and work for the mods to make those types of decisions.
**disclaimer - I'm new here and I've clearly never moderated a group so if this suggestion is considered ridiculous, just kindly tell me it's just not feasible and that will suffice. I'm aware enough to know that there's a lot to keep up with that adding another layer could prove too cumbersome, but wanted to throw it out there for consideration.
I don't know if or how moving posts worked on Reddit (or, to reiterate, if that's even possible) but one can't really "move" a post on Voat.
So, all that being said, the mods essentially "delete" the post after asking it to be reposted somewhere else (v/pizzagatewhatever) or at least otherwise specifically commenting as to why the submission doesn't fit the subverse's guidelines.
The thing about Voat is that "deleted" submissions and comments are essentially always visible by viewing the modlogs in the sidebar (eg deleted submissions, deleted comments, subverse bans).
So... The Voat difference is that while mods can be assholes, there is an easy way to see exactly how they are assholes and the "removed" submissions still exist in the database, along with a (moderator submitted) reason for the deletion. So, they're not gone: They just no longer show up in the new or hot or top queues.
Gotcha, thanks for the reply. I hate to see a really good post that has had a lot of interaction suddenly go back to zero comments and voats, which is what the poster has to do in order to resubmit it to the correct area. Perhaps it isn't as relevant in the other subscriptions - I haven't yet explored much beyond here as of yet - so I'm looking at it from the narrow angle of this sub-verse.
Generally Voat has a don't delete/don't ban policy, but yalls newcomers plus the whole PG investigating theme are fucking that up. Please, explore the site. There's much more to see.
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Millennial_Falcon ago
rule 4: this is meta, gotta remove it, but thanks for posting it. I will save it for explaining future deletions of Amalek's "Talmud pedophilia" nonsense.
tjarco ago
you know what really sucks... If you delete something I can't edit or view source of the OP. If someone wants to repost but does not have a copy of the source text with the links, it takes a lot of work making a repost.....
Millennial_Falcon ago
If I had known that, I would have copied the source text for you before deleting. Still, shouldn't take much work to just copy and add the links back in, and do a bit of formatting.
tjarco ago
seeing this is the case for all deleted posts is this something @heygeorge could fix, or is this just another bummer feature of VOAT?
heygeorge ago
Interesting. This is a Voat coding thing, I believe.
I'll look into ways of mitigating this once I get some quality time in front of a computer. In the meantime (and likely semi-permanently), perhaps @Millennial_Falcon would be keen to address the mod team about this case so they can at least be aware.
As for the user side, tjarco, your best practice is to keep a local copy of the post. (This also should perhaps be recommended by mods, pinging @kevdude to chime in if he wants.) Voat is in a state of constant growth and with that comes growing pains. Before the great pizza migration, our posts & comments were swallowed up on the regular by a pernicious bug. I am in the habit of at least making sure my longer comments are at least copied to my clipboard before I hit submit.
Ronnilynn31 ago
Is it reasonable to suggest that instead of deleting posts based on relevance to the sub-verse, that the post be moved to a unique subverse specifically for this purpose where the OP can still work with the original and keep the integrity of the post and voats it has received? I'm not suggesting this for all deleted posts, of course. Just those that are deemed to be posted in the wrong area. The OP can then resubmit it to the appropriate forum without starting all over. Or, if it's not moved after X number of days then delete it.
I initially thought the Mod could simply make a comment as they do today that the post does not adhere to rule and move it to the appropriate subverse, but that would likely create more conflict and work for the mods to make those types of decisions.
**disclaimer - I'm new here and I've clearly never moderated a group so if this suggestion is considered ridiculous, just kindly tell me it's just not feasible and that will suffice. I'm aware enough to know that there's a lot to keep up with that adding another layer could prove too cumbersome, but wanted to throw it out there for consideration.
heygeorge ago
I don't know if or how moving posts worked on Reddit (or, to reiterate, if that's even possible) but one can't really "move" a post on Voat.
So, all that being said, the mods essentially "delete" the post after asking it to be reposted somewhere else (v/pizzagatewhatever) or at least otherwise specifically commenting as to why the submission doesn't fit the subverse's guidelines.
The thing about Voat is that "deleted" submissions and comments are essentially always visible by viewing the modlogs in the sidebar (eg deleted submissions, deleted comments, subverse bans).
So... The Voat difference is that while mods can be assholes, there is an easy way to see exactly how they are assholes and the "removed" submissions still exist in the database, along with a (moderator submitted) reason for the deletion. So, they're not gone: They just no longer show up in the new or hot or top queues.
Ronnilynn31 ago
Gotcha, thanks for the reply. I hate to see a really good post that has had a lot of interaction suddenly go back to zero comments and voats, which is what the poster has to do in order to resubmit it to the correct area. Perhaps it isn't as relevant in the other subscriptions - I haven't yet explored much beyond here as of yet - so I'm looking at it from the narrow angle of this sub-verse.
heygeorge ago
Generally Voat has a don't delete/don't ban policy, but yalls newcomers plus the whole PG investigating theme are fucking that up. Please, explore the site. There's much more to see.