The MSM have completely blown all remaining credibility. The have fallen for a 4chan hoax. Read this thread and linked tweets for an explanation on how it happened.
This is epic! i think we are going to see a lot more about this story... the media are going to double-down in an effort to save face and in so doing, destroy themselves even more. We are living in the twilight zone... HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN ANYTHING LIKE THIS???
Not just Gary Webb, but Phillip Marshall. He was an ex-pilot for the CIA that wrote a couple 9/11 books and was investigating a lead at a airplane boneyard/graveyard for retired planes in Az. He heard the real planes that were supposed to hit the towers were there. Soon after that the police said he killed his children and dog before committing suicide. His computer and all his notes on his new book were missing. The whole scene was extremely suspicious but was never investigated.
I am really shocked they fell for this (CIA and MSM). It is so outrageous that it sets a perfect pretext for Trump to go in with CIA reform, and bring the MSM under control (allowing them to be held liable and sued for fake news etc)
No. MSM shouldn't be under control of any government. And if you want to accuse someone of fake news, which is MSM's bullshit narrative, you've already lost the game.
No we should accuse people of fake news. We cannot refuse to play their word games. They create narratives and tropes and force them on us. If we igore, they win. We need to hijack their words and use them against them. FakeNews has been such a massive success for us - to the extent the WaPo and others want to retire the word because Its almost exclusively used to describe the MSM. Use it! Fake news now means lying MSM
Who says MSM under control of government? They should have checks and balances. As it stands the fourth estate has become the single biggest branch of government; consider the manipulation and lies . At the very least they should be able to be sued for lies .its not persecution: they simply must be able to stand over a story before publishing it. They've pulled shit this year that no media would ever do in the past. "I was raped by Trump 27 years ago" "can u prove it?" "No" "did u report to the police!or complaint to anyone?" "No" "ok we will run it as nausea for weeks, and it will be picked up by every single media outlet and blasted throughout tv and social media for months" wtf
Agreed, it's a slippery slope to try to control what is real vs what is fake news. IMO make it as free and open as possible. Let people make their own minds up as to what is real and fake. With the internet, you can get to the truth pretty quickly.
I think overall the term "fake news" will be used against the MSM far more than against the more obscure alt-right media. They will regret inventing that term and strategy as it will be used against them. They often forget that no one trusts them and their approval ratings are horrendous.
When it comes to "holding media accountable" and being able to "sue" them, I am vehemently opposed to Trump. It is IMPERATIVE to a free society that the media remain untouchable by political elites. The government should have NO DOMAIN over the media. PERIOD. EVER.
Because although you may love what Trump has to do and say, REMEMBER in 4 or 8 years someone YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH will be in the White House. Do you want THEM to have control of the media? Because they will in your scenario.
That's the perfect example actually. The press has to be free to make their stupid outlandish claims, because there will never be an objective way to determine what is "outlandish". Someone always has an agenda and when those people are in control, they will mold the press to their agenda. Therefore the only logical solution is to have complete freedom of speech and information. Even fake news must be allowed.
The current media is 100% committed feeding you propaganda and lies. There is nothing objective about it. @redgreenalliance is a genius on this subject and frankly, you sound extremely naive.
I think a lot of the media backed off it or were quite tentative reporting. ALL OF THEM new it was very iffy for publication, SOME OF THEM knew it was bogus. But the Far Left nutjobs reported in desperation it would stick. Massive mistake.
Personally i think that the good guys in the CIA leaked it to the press HOPING they would fall for it. Its clear they had this via McMullin / McCain. Its a double bluff.
I refuse to believe the CIA bigwigs who hate Trump would leak this actually thinking it wouldn't backfire massively and discredit them. It took Twittersphere a few hours to uncover the whole sordid chain back to 4Chan, so surely the CIA could have figured out the story would only damage them.
Thats my theory, could be wrong, but don't think so.
The thing is, these people we're dealing with think that they are on some other level of intelligence to everyone else - they think they are like the next stage in evolution or something, when clearly they aren't. So they consistently underestimate the Internet citizenry, and they also consistently do dumb stuff.
Yep, it's because they think Internet users are on the same level of stupid as idiots who hypnotize themselves in front of the brainwashing machine 24/7.
He's wearing kids pyjamas, opening presents with hentai (Jap cartoon porn), then going to private cinemas to watch it with a room full of prozzies, presumably wanking off?
God these 4chan guys must be laughing their tits off!!!
You know if it was a planned 'leak', numerous people would have had to have a chat about it before doing it. These people are top intel... maybe you are right. But i find it easier to believe my theory.
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RedGreenAlliance ago
The MSM have completely blown all remaining credibility. The have fallen for a 4chan hoax. Read this thread and linked tweets for an explanation on how it happened.
https://twitter.com/mrbones_returns/status/818994577587597313
https://i.sli.mg/em1lYF.jpg
This is epic! i think we are going to see a lot more about this story... the media are going to double-down in an effort to save face and in so doing, destroy themselves even more. We are living in the twilight zone... HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN ANYTHING LIKE THIS???
pizzaequalspedo ago
Yes it shows that the CIA and MSM are biased and will give something that fits their political beliefs the benefit of the doubt.
It's hilarious that the CIA is getting a taste of its own medicine.
The CIA needs to be destroyed.
heretolearn ago
the cia uses the washington post as it's tool. look what they did to actual journalist gary webb
https://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/18/wposts-slimy-assault-on-gary-webb/
Vic138 ago
Not just Gary Webb, but Phillip Marshall. He was an ex-pilot for the CIA that wrote a couple 9/11 books and was investigating a lead at a airplane boneyard/graveyard for retired planes in Az. He heard the real planes that were supposed to hit the towers were there. Soon after that the police said he killed his children and dog before committing suicide. His computer and all his notes on his new book were missing. The whole scene was extremely suspicious but was never investigated.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/02/28/philip-marshall-murder-suicide-a-lack-of-evidence/
heretolearn ago
I did not hear about him. thanks for the link.
SayWhatNOWAY ago
Agreed!
RedGreenAlliance ago
I am really shocked they fell for this (CIA and MSM). It is so outrageous that it sets a perfect pretext for Trump to go in with CIA reform, and bring the MSM under control (allowing them to be held liable and sued for fake news etc)
lossau ago
No. MSM shouldn't be under control of any government. And if you want to accuse someone of fake news, which is MSM's bullshit narrative, you've already lost the game.
RedGreenAlliance ago
No we should accuse people of fake news. We cannot refuse to play their word games. They create narratives and tropes and force them on us. If we igore, they win. We need to hijack their words and use them against them. FakeNews has been such a massive success for us - to the extent the WaPo and others want to retire the word because Its almost exclusively used to describe the MSM. Use it! Fake news now means lying MSM
RedGreenAlliance ago
Who says MSM under control of government? They should have checks and balances. As it stands the fourth estate has become the single biggest branch of government; consider the manipulation and lies . At the very least they should be able to be sued for lies .its not persecution: they simply must be able to stand over a story before publishing it. They've pulled shit this year that no media would ever do in the past. "I was raped by Trump 27 years ago" "can u prove it?" "No" "did u report to the police!or complaint to anyone?" "No" "ok we will run it as nausea for weeks, and it will be picked up by every single media outlet and blasted throughout tv and social media for months" wtf
pizzaequalspedo ago
Agreed, it's a slippery slope to try to control what is real vs what is fake news. IMO make it as free and open as possible. Let people make their own minds up as to what is real and fake. With the internet, you can get to the truth pretty quickly.
I think overall the term "fake news" will be used against the MSM far more than against the more obscure alt-right media. They will regret inventing that term and strategy as it will be used against them. They often forget that no one trusts them and their approval ratings are horrendous.
justforthissubverse ago
@ RedGreenAlliance
I like most of what Trump has to say...
BUT
When it comes to "holding media accountable" and being able to "sue" them, I am vehemently opposed to Trump. It is IMPERATIVE to a free society that the media remain untouchable by political elites. The government should have NO DOMAIN over the media. PERIOD. EVER.
Because although you may love what Trump has to do and say, REMEMBER in 4 or 8 years someone YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH will be in the White House. Do you want THEM to have control of the media? Because they will in your scenario.
pizzaequalspedo ago
Agreed. Very slippery slope. The Dems have realized this after blowing up the filibuster and all the executive actions.
Those strategies cut both ways.
justforthissubverse ago
That's the perfect example actually. The press has to be free to make their stupid outlandish claims, because there will never be an objective way to determine what is "outlandish". Someone always has an agenda and when those people are in control, they will mold the press to their agenda. Therefore the only logical solution is to have complete freedom of speech and information. Even fake news must be allowed.
remedy4reality ago
The current media is 100% committed feeding you propaganda and lies. There is nothing objective about it. @redgreenalliance is a genius on this subject and frankly, you sound extremely naive.
justforthissubverse ago
Your naivety is on full display as you support censorship of the press. The fact you call others naive is called "projection".
Sharipie ago
They didn't "fall for it", they created it. It's their big lie and they're in trouble becuz nobody is buying.
RedGreenAlliance ago
4 chan created it - look at this chain:
https://i.sli.mg/em1lYF.jpg
I think a lot of the media backed off it or were quite tentative reporting. ALL OF THEM new it was very iffy for publication, SOME OF THEM knew it was bogus. But the Far Left nutjobs reported in desperation it would stick. Massive mistake.
Personally i think that the good guys in the CIA leaked it to the press HOPING they would fall for it. Its clear they had this via McMullin / McCain. Its a double bluff.
I refuse to believe the CIA bigwigs who hate Trump would leak this actually thinking it wouldn't backfire massively and discredit them. It took Twittersphere a few hours to uncover the whole sordid chain back to 4Chan, so surely the CIA could have figured out the story would only damage them.
Thats my theory, could be wrong, but don't think so.
justforthissubverse ago
McCain. What a pathetic loser.
SpikyAube ago
The thing is, these people we're dealing with think that they are on some other level of intelligence to everyone else - they think they are like the next stage in evolution or something, when clearly they aren't. So they consistently underestimate the Internet citizenry, and they also consistently do dumb stuff.
eyeVoated ago
Yep, it's because they think Internet users are on the same level of stupid as idiots who hypnotize themselves in front of the brainwashing machine 24/7.
RedGreenAlliance ago
Maybe you are right... but as i said - its easily debunkable. I mean who is going to believe
https://i.sli.mg/zfogIv.jpg
He's wearing kids pyjamas, opening presents with hentai (Jap cartoon porn), then going to private cinemas to watch it with a room full of prozzies, presumably wanking off?
God these 4chan guys must be laughing their tits off!!!
You know if it was a planned 'leak', numerous people would have had to have a chat about it before doing it. These people are top intel... maybe you are right. But i find it easier to believe my theory.