I had multiple exchanges on social media today. People just want to believe what they want. It's maddening. Confirmation bias. Even down to "yeah ok it might be fake but i still believe Russians are hacking him" I mean, WTF, are u not angry at the media and CIA trying to manipulate you with complete lies on a daily / weekly basis? Don't you know you only hate the Russians because you've been fed all this bull.
But they don't know and won't know because it's more comfortable to be ignorant and hide behind a mask of moral superiority. It's cosy to believe a slick news studio over some random on twitter with a weird blog
On the local Tampa morning show they were discussing whether it was really that bad what he did, not one of these morons actually questioned whether it was true or not,fucking idiots may they be fucked in the ass by a HIV ridden merman.
People are falling for it though. I run a twitter account dedicated to mostly Arsenal and soccer in general and the amount of people I have had to call out for posting about this subject, retweeting discredible scumbag journalists is unreal. My fingers are burnt out from typing. More than anything it has shown me the levels of stupidity on my twitter feed, every single person i actually attempted to correct and tell them what really is happening literally hid behind a rock with emojis and refused to discuss it further. Every single one. We have a bigger job on our hands than i thought, I thought we as a species were smarter than this but our brians have literally been fried. Im no bias, i was very open to believing theae claims about Trump untill it was 100% obvious bullshit after 5 minutes of digging
A former British intelligence officer now working for a private security-and-investigations firm produced the dossier of unverified allegations about President-elect Donald Trump’s activities and connections in Russia, people familiar with the matter say.
Christopher Steele, a director of London-based Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd., prepared the dossier, the people said. The document alleges that the Kremlin colluded with Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign and claims that Russian officials have compromising evidence of Mr. Trump’s behavior that could be used to blackmail him. Mr. Trump has dismissed the contents of the dossier as false and Russia has denied the claims.
Mr. Steele, 52 years old, is one of two directors of the firm, along with Christopher Burrows, 58.
Mr. Burrows, reached at his home outside London on Wednesday, said he wouldn’t “confirm or deny” that Orbis had produced the report. A neighbor of Mr. Steele’s said Mr. Steele said he would be away for a few days. In previous weeks Mr. Steele has declined repeated requests for interviews through an intermediary, who said the subject was “too hot.”
Saw this too:
Someone from 4ch@n actually came on the Jeff Kuhner talk show just now and gave the inside baseball. His name was Tom and he says the group is talking to a lawyer and they're not going to let this drop. Probably for their own protection, I would think.
He was part of the group who created the original story. Apparently Rick Wilson's son writes ludicrous stories about this kind of stuff for his own pleasure, I guess. So the piss story was made to annoy Wilson about the kind of material his son writes. Purely a joke. And what initially started as a joke made it up the chain of command with Wilson to Evan McMullin who I think passed it on to McCain and McCain passed it on to the Intel agencies and media.
The CIA ADDED STUFF about Russia which was NOT in the original story (which is probably why they're talking to a lawyer.)
Obviously all the news media is involved but this is going to become a much bigger story than it is even now and I would not be surprised if McCain was forced to resign and Tapper is fired. Please excuse any typos as it's hard to get this on a mobile.
@Valkore Why would you delete this thread, other than limiting exposure? You do recognise that Trump and his team are our only hope that something gets done about this bullshit, right? That and this connects to pizzagate because the people reporting PG is fake news, are caught reporting fake news.
You also didn't leave a mod tagged explanation on why you deleted the thread, in the thread. If we have to follow the rules, so do you.
@Valkore has indeed made a mistake not disclosing the reason for removal in a comment at the time of removal. I can see he has since fixed that problem, although his comment is still not distinguished. I totally agree that mods need to follow their rules as much as other users are expected to follow theirs, so Valkore, please don't forget the explanatory comment as well as distinguishing it in the future.
However, I believe he was right to remove this post under rule 1, and I would have done the same. /v/pizzagate is an investigative subverse, and your post doesn't add anything relevant or of value to the investigation itself. It is more of a general discussion of an indirectly relevant topic that, while may be important to discuss, is always a better fit for /v/pizzagatewhatever as the main investigative sub is already very diluted as is, which is why we have rule 1 in the first place.
We're trying to improve our communication, and I apologize if you have indeed contacted us and you haven't received a reply. We have a lot to do as the majority of new submissions violates rules, and also new mods are added to the team continuously. We're still a young team and we're admittedly not optimally organized yet. Please bear with us.
1) Well, it wasn't my thread and I don't know the person who's it was.
2) Bullshit.
(1) ALL submissions should be directly related to Pizzagate.
The rule states that it must be relevant to pizzagate, not that it has to be a new lead in the investigation. I understand you have to protect your non vocal friend, but to claim this doesn't have anything to do with pizzagate is obsurd. You guys are not here to decide what topics we will discuss, so quit playing China and censoring shit that IS relevant to pizzagate.
It's not you who should be apologizing, it's the ones who flat out ignore people. I'm not looking for an apology though, I want this shit to change and I just want you guys to know.. We see you and shit is being documented.
In most cases this will require a Discussion post where you provide a brief explanation of how your content relates to the investigation.
You guys are not here to decide what topics we will discuss
No, but we're here to decide where you discuss those topics. /v/pizzagatewhatever has been created precisely for this purpose, to be a home to all the indirectly related topics and unsourced, non-investigative posts that are otherwise worthy of discussion by the community.
Unless the post author is capable of pointing out how their submission furthers the investigation itself, we will continue to remove these submissions, and usually redirect them to another sub of the linked subverse network, unless they're completely off-topic.
Pizzagate is "the investigation". It doesn't say "it has to be a piece/lead or further the investigation". It says it has to relate to pizzagate (the investigation). Quit spinning it to mean something it doesn't. This was big news.
Throw one of the biggest stories of the week in pizzagatewhatever hahaha sounds like a good way for mods to make stuff, almost, disappear. I say almost because 324 people out of the 10,298 will still see it.
This is my last attempt at explaining, if it's not successful, I give up. The practice will stay the standard practice nonetheless, and submissions like this will be redirected to other subs in the future.
This is what this submission is about (directly quoting the title):
The MSM write off Pizzagate as "fake news" but call Trump pissgate story real.
Now, let's assume that tomorrow the MSM starts spreading that Tom Hanks is, in fact, a shapeshifting reptile. Am I then rightfully submitting the following post to /v/pizzagate?
The MSM write off Pizzagate as "fake news" but call Hanks reptile story real.
The only relevance of Pizzagate in OP's post is that it's the benchmark of comparison. Just because I mention Pizzagate in my post, it doesn't automatically make it relevant to the investigation. The definition and rules have been crafted well enough to eliminate that loophole.
Now Trump is as relevant to pizzagate as Tom Hanks? LOL
Forget that people have accused him of being involved, through Epstein?
Forget that he and his admin are the only hope at getting pizzagate exposed/prosecuted through the DOJ? This was good news for pizzagate because it shows he isn't compromised by this document and so far he isn't a sexual deviant.
Seriously, WTF? Another thread was deleted the other day by @Phobos_Mothership and when I questioned it, I was ignored. I then tagged @Millennial_Falcon about it and was ignored again. Should I start a thread about this to get something done? Or will it just get deleted? Save and archive I guess.
Wouldn't you think the 4chan guy would be afraid the story would never break out on the news and the CIA investigating Russia could have used that info and compromise Trump? Could he get jail time?
what if its all one big plot to ultimately discredit channers. scenario: they go in and plant a fake convo early on about how they are feeding some fake story to wilson. fastforward a few months, story breaks and people freak. then the convo thread is brought up again and the narrative that "4chan created the hoax" is being fed to the public. now what happens? they lose all credibility and general public thinks 4chan, voat, are all a bunch of liars and any talk on the boards of pizzagate, etc can also not be taken seriously. bc they are just making up a bunch of fake news stories. ----- what do you think? can anyone vouch for the guy saying he fed wilson the fake story?
There's a troubling similarity with pizzagate in the mistaken identity of Michael Cohen, like with DOJ Andrew Klein. Fake news only becomes a problem if we let it and allow ourselves to be misled. How to avoid it? Don't assume things to be true. Demand proof.
I know. It just pisses me off. I have some guy on Twitter who keeps sending me messages to check out #pissgate and said he hopes I enjoy my president that likes to fuck his daughter and grab pussy. I wasted all this time explaining Hillary's corruption and Pizzagate. Gave him links and pictures and it goes over his head and he says he can't believe so many people are this gullible.
We are the informed ones! We do our own research! We don't just listen and read MSM but do our research. These people are so blind and mind controlled and I'm so sick of being called a conspiracy theorist! The media has used this Russia hacking crap to take attention away from the actual corruption that was exposed! That should be the focus. Why aren't more people not freaking out over that and demanding answers?!
I swear, it's not good for me to watch the news sometimes. I purposely didn't even watch the Meagan Kelly interview with James Alefantis. I knew My blood would start boiling. I get pissed and nobody in my life cares or wants to hear about the truth and they hate politics. My 15 year old started getting into it during the election and is wanting to know more. Other than that, the only place I have to vent and have like minded people is online. People who just want to live blindly just irritate me so bad.
Sorry for the venting! I'm just so thankful to have good people like you all that care enough about these poor children and take time out of your lives to try to bring these people down. I'm proud of us for being good people. 🙌🏻
They probably suspected it was fake but didn't think there would be enough to prove it wasn't. Now they are saying they published in the interest of letting readers draw their own conclusion.
More evidence captured of the CNN #FakeNews, showing the truth of how these "reporters" feel about us at these propaganda networks (to cut to the chase, go to 1:40 of the clip):
they are just trying to outdo the pizzagate scandal with some bs... they keep pushing false stuff so nobody knows what the fuck is exactly going on etc.
I think this speaks volumes about how desperate the elite are. They are scared. Another fascinating aspect is how easily people are swayed by such disinformation. This reveals a great deal about human society and the power of the media.
I was hanging around on 4chan when all that was going down & one poster brought that original thread out of the 4Pleb archive and broke it to everyone. Then all Twitter hell broke loose No, I don't hang out in 4chan normally, but these days you go where the autists are to get the real scoop...
A big huge thank you to 4chan. And to the MSM who fell for it, they are not journalists, they cannot think for themselves. They are victims in that they are willing to destroy their credibility and careers rather than recognize that someone took a piss on them. Really, it is sad and shows how completely brainwashed (or culpable) these people are. And sadder, is that they think we are stupid enough to fall for their bait, when in fact 4chan laid the trap. Its hilarious but also so pathetic.
Well? What is your position then? You have asked for why I consider it Relevent for being discussed and investigated , compared to the Pissgate proper fake news? How do you feel on the subject?
Well. I can see you are either a little retarded, or you are just a person who has difficulties dealing with there own pedophilia . Or you are directly involved . If you have looked at the circumstantial evidence and feel that there is no reason to be concerned that children are at risk . There is no point discussing with you . When you disregard the evidence I presented to you . Which is not even conclusive , the sheer weight of supporting evidence ,would be impossible to write out in a post.
What is your position on the subject?
You gave me your version of events. If you believe that a pedo ring is in operation and children are in danger or getting killed and you haven't gone to the police with your evidence, you're as bad as any of the pedos you say are involved.
I am an ex pat . and not able too. But I am doing plenty.
What d'ya mean 'I gave you my version of events?' I think it is starting to become clear what person we are dealing with . You haven't got a clue have you. We are doing everything we can for the justice for these kids , you can guarantee we won't give up either..
Look at all the circumstantial evidence and you tell me that there is nothing there to warrant an investigation? Plus the fact look at how easily the Main Stream Media have run with this allegation . But regarding Pizzagate ,which had far more solid reasons to run with the story . They call it 'Fake News' and behave like the most decently behaved people ever. Since when have Media not run with money making stories ,even when the facts have not been verified? Then you have John Podesta ewho has been publicly called a Child Abuser. And he has not tried to sue anyone. If someone accused me of this crime , I would be making sure my name would be cleared right away. Is John Podesta not bothered that people consider him a child abuser?
Lots of people don't go to court for every little thing. Its not worth it. What's the biggest piece of pizzagate evidence? Have you gone to the police with any thing?
So are you telling me you have looked at the evidence. And you are quite happy with things? Do you have friends like these? That might be where we are differing . Are you desensitised?
.What do you not feel is valid in reference to carrying out an investigation. What areas have you looked at and decided' Wow that's perfectly Normal everyday behaviour , that I and my friends get upto?!'
I mean, if it is a case of 'you have looked at all the pizzagate material and decided 'Thats normal behaviour' Then that is what is our difference is . I do find a Person who makes sexual comments about children on facebook/instagram posts odd, and when you combine the sort of Bands 'Majestic Ape's Heavy Breathing' That perform at Comet Pizza . That create video's and music which has images of BDSM mixed with Children. And The free disgusion of 'Are you a Pedo etc etc . These are the freaks who talk about how they killed there new born baby cos of the inoises it was making. These are the freaks which discuss with the audiance that the manager has a taste in children and little boys, and comments that everyone has there preferences .
Then you have James Alefantis's Ping Pong Pizza place that encourages children to the place ,despite it being full of Adult imagery on the walls, Pieces of Art in the Bathroom which say's 'Shut up and Fuck'. Very healthy child enviroment. Along with the signage related to his Pizzaria's being Officially recognises symbols that underground Pedo Rings use to communicate without general populace being savvy too.
The list of reasons that cry out 'An official Investigation should be carried out.
Along with the fact that you find that the Mainstream Media ,have suddenly become saints and decided 'No Story here' lol We ought not make money from this !? I mean WTF since when have the press stopped running stories ,even if the facts were not as yet on the table?
And how about our two lovely Brothers Tony and John Podesta who just love to collect pedophile related Artwork of Kim Noble and plenty of other names within that area of disgustting imagery . We are all waiting for the brothers Grimm to come and sue all the people who have Libelled and slandered the Child Abusing Nonces . Not a peep heard from them ? FFS If someone publicly stated that I was a child abusing Pedo , I would be wanting to clear my name! Just like any other right minded person. But no, they are quite happy for these claims to go unpunished . Because they don't want the truth being exposed.
Pizzagate is sadly real even though it is something so foul and beyond imagining ,the fact is it is being swept under the rug.
Just like the Franklin cover uo
Just like The Haut de la Garande
Let's play that game for a minute. Do I want kiddie diddlers or a guy that pays prostitutes to piss.... I'll take the pisser. I hope he pulls the pizzagate card now. Especially on McCain and Lindsay Graham.
Pizzagate is based on verified Podesta and DNC emails, with evidence being also posted on the FBI vault. There is no debate over the "carelessness" of using an unsecured personal server for state biz or having p@ssword for security (by an expert). the content of the emails is original source material and shows proof of wrongdoing in regards to knowingly funding terrorists at the very least.
There is a great opportunity here for all Voaters to use this debacle by the MSM as a conversation starter with PG skeptics. My jaw hit the floor when I heard it last night and I immediately knew CNN had been trawled. The Ministry of Information is really off it's game !!
The Kremlin get stuck in:
Deputy head of the Russian presidential administration:
“The Kremlin has no compromising information on Trump. This report does not correspond to reality and is nothing but an absolute fiction,”
This is a total bluff, an absolute fabrication, complete nonsense,he Kremlin does not collect compromising information. The Kremlin [and] the Russian president are engaged in building relationships with our foreign partners, firstly – in the interests of the Russian Federation, in the interests of the Russian people, secondly – in the interests of global peace, stability and security,”
“This is an obvious attempt to harm our bilateral relations,”
Pulp fiction, that’s what it is called in English. Of course, probably the best way to react would be accordingly – with a certain sense of humor."
“Although there is a downside – indeed, there are those who are stirring up the hysteria, who go out of their way to maintain this state of a witch-hunt,
I'm still trying to figure out kek, sounds like you don't wanna mess with kek (I do dig the alt right). Too late for them to repent. We are the new media.
truth be told, I haven't an idea and haven't searched either...I see it phrased a lot, totally thought it had something to do with pepe or something. But, I do agree with you on repenting. Too damn late. I believe people like us don't have a specific narrative to push in order to collect our paychecks. We do this out of the pure feeling of "it's right, it's right to investigate, and report truth no matter how harsh"
I enjoy being the new media...I just want a press pass, ya know to cover some concerts ;)
"I believe people like us don't have a specific narrative to push in order to collect our paychecks..." Yep. The legacy media is still in denial, they will be dead and buried.
It gives me hope that Trump may not be a Rothschild puppet -- controlled opposition -- which has been my worry from the start. I used to bash Trump. If he tackles pizzagate, which I'm sure he knows is real, he will be my new hero.
The MSM have completely blown all remaining credibility. The have fallen for a 4chan hoax. Read this thread and linked tweets for an explanation on how it happened.
This is epic! i think we are going to see a lot more about this story... the media are going to double-down in an effort to save face and in so doing, destroy themselves even more. We are living in the twilight zone... HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN ANYTHING LIKE THIS???
This is like our War of the Worlds, when the radio stations freaked everyone out. Never thought I'd see something like it in these newfangled days...that's literally the most epic troll I've ever seen.
Been reading the 4chan guys are scared and have spoken to a lawyer. They think they may have to protect themselves by coming forward and tells big their story. What scared them was the CIA Added lots of embellishing details which they didn't provide.
It makes sense to me. CIA are the worst enemy in the world to have. Best to come forward and explain everything start to finish. Then there is no reason to suicide them if they've nothing left to hide; their deaths, as they are now public, would cast more light on the CIA
Nope! The ultimate sleeper patriot. Even his reality tv career was grooming his image, ingraining on the minds of Americans, creating a massive twitter following, and cultivating a winner image, the guy who fires or hires. He's been planning this for many years, despite the media pretending it's a whim. When he saw the madness of Hillary, I guess he felt he had no choice. People also dismiss his intelligence; he's genius level. My only concern is his greatest strength could be his weakness; he has a massive ego and can be too brittle with criticism. He's not perfect but nobody else could have pulled this off
He's true blue, loves America, and Roger Stone says he's fearless. Yes, providentially he's been raised up for this moment. Trump from an old Playboy interview: "Life is what you do while you're waiting to die. You know, it is all a rather sad situation.
We're here and we live our 60, 70, or 80 years and we’re gone. You win, you win, and in the end, it doesn't mean a hell of a lot. But it is something to do—to keep you interested." He knew his time to run was about to expire.
The media can die in a fire for all I care, but you're committing the same mistake. I'm not going to blindly believe that some Anon hoaxed the whole thing because he made a post saying he did.
This is an excellent tactic for discrediting them. Far more effective than bitching about them being liars. SHOW that they are liars, let them hang themselves.
yup. shocking isn;t it?
I think they've sealed their fate with this nonsense. What a laughing stock they have reduced America to, with this insane panic about Trump winning. Its going beyond Twilight Zone weirdness
Not just Gary Webb, but Phillip Marshall. He was an ex-pilot for the CIA that wrote a couple 9/11 books and was investigating a lead at a airplane boneyard/graveyard for retired planes in Az. He heard the real planes that were supposed to hit the towers were there. Soon after that the police said he killed his children and dog before committing suicide. His computer and all his notes on his new book were missing. The whole scene was extremely suspicious but was never investigated.
I am really shocked they fell for this (CIA and MSM). It is so outrageous that it sets a perfect pretext for Trump to go in with CIA reform, and bring the MSM under control (allowing them to be held liable and sued for fake news etc)
No. MSM shouldn't be under control of any government. And if you want to accuse someone of fake news, which is MSM's bullshit narrative, you've already lost the game.
No we should accuse people of fake news. We cannot refuse to play their word games. They create narratives and tropes and force them on us. If we igore, they win. We need to hijack their words and use them against them. FakeNews has been such a massive success for us - to the extent the WaPo and others want to retire the word because Its almost exclusively used to describe the MSM. Use it! Fake news now means lying MSM
Who says MSM under control of government? They should have checks and balances. As it stands the fourth estate has become the single biggest branch of government; consider the manipulation and lies . At the very least they should be able to be sued for lies .its not persecution: they simply must be able to stand over a story before publishing it. They've pulled shit this year that no media would ever do in the past. "I was raped by Trump 27 years ago" "can u prove it?" "No" "did u report to the police!or complaint to anyone?" "No" "ok we will run it as nausea for weeks, and it will be picked up by every single media outlet and blasted throughout tv and social media for months" wtf
Agreed, it's a slippery slope to try to control what is real vs what is fake news. IMO make it as free and open as possible. Let people make their own minds up as to what is real and fake. With the internet, you can get to the truth pretty quickly.
I think overall the term "fake news" will be used against the MSM far more than against the more obscure alt-right media. They will regret inventing that term and strategy as it will be used against them. They often forget that no one trusts them and their approval ratings are horrendous.
When it comes to "holding media accountable" and being able to "sue" them, I am vehemently opposed to Trump. It is IMPERATIVE to a free society that the media remain untouchable by political elites. The government should have NO DOMAIN over the media. PERIOD. EVER.
Because although you may love what Trump has to do and say, REMEMBER in 4 or 8 years someone YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH will be in the White House. Do you want THEM to have control of the media? Because they will in your scenario.
That's the perfect example actually. The press has to be free to make their stupid outlandish claims, because there will never be an objective way to determine what is "outlandish". Someone always has an agenda and when those people are in control, they will mold the press to their agenda. Therefore the only logical solution is to have complete freedom of speech and information. Even fake news must be allowed.
The current media is 100% committed feeding you propaganda and lies. There is nothing objective about it. @redgreenalliance is a genius on this subject and frankly, you sound extremely naive.
I think a lot of the media backed off it or were quite tentative reporting. ALL OF THEM new it was very iffy for publication, SOME OF THEM knew it was bogus. But the Far Left nutjobs reported in desperation it would stick. Massive mistake.
Personally i think that the good guys in the CIA leaked it to the press HOPING they would fall for it. Its clear they had this via McMullin / McCain. Its a double bluff.
I refuse to believe the CIA bigwigs who hate Trump would leak this actually thinking it wouldn't backfire massively and discredit them. It took Twittersphere a few hours to uncover the whole sordid chain back to 4Chan, so surely the CIA could have figured out the story would only damage them.
Thats my theory, could be wrong, but don't think so.
The thing is, these people we're dealing with think that they are on some other level of intelligence to everyone else - they think they are like the next stage in evolution or something, when clearly they aren't. So they consistently underestimate the Internet citizenry, and they also consistently do dumb stuff.
Yep, it's because they think Internet users are on the same level of stupid as idiots who hypnotize themselves in front of the brainwashing machine 24/7.
He's wearing kids pyjamas, opening presents with hentai (Jap cartoon porn), then going to private cinemas to watch it with a room full of prozzies, presumably wanking off?
God these 4chan guys must be laughing their tits off!!!
You know if it was a planned 'leak', numerous people would have had to have a chat about it before doing it. These people are top intel... maybe you are right. But i find it easier to believe my theory.
dickface8 ago
And there definitely is an "infowar" in full swing right now.
RedGreenAlliance ago
I had multiple exchanges on social media today. People just want to believe what they want. It's maddening. Confirmation bias. Even down to "yeah ok it might be fake but i still believe Russians are hacking him" I mean, WTF, are u not angry at the media and CIA trying to manipulate you with complete lies on a daily / weekly basis? Don't you know you only hate the Russians because you've been fed all this bull.
But they don't know and won't know because it's more comfortable to be ignorant and hide behind a mask of moral superiority. It's cosy to believe a slick news studio over some random on twitter with a weird blog
sunshine702 ago
I put a shoe on my head - great job guys.
Really funny.
justwanttohelp ago
his account no longer exists https://archive.is/V1ih4
Bolux ago
On the local Tampa morning show they were discussing whether it was really that bad what he did, not one of these morons actually questioned whether it was true or not,fucking idiots may they be fucked in the ass by a HIV ridden merman.
MrrHandsome ago
People are falling for it though. I run a twitter account dedicated to mostly Arsenal and soccer in general and the amount of people I have had to call out for posting about this subject, retweeting discredible scumbag journalists is unreal. My fingers are burnt out from typing. More than anything it has shown me the levels of stupidity on my twitter feed, every single person i actually attempted to correct and tell them what really is happening literally hid behind a rock with emojis and refused to discuss it further. Every single one. We have a bigger job on our hands than i thought, I thought we as a species were smarter than this but our brians have literally been fried. Im no bias, i was very open to believing theae claims about Trump untill it was 100% obvious bullshit after 5 minutes of digging
ploppy ago
https://twitter.com/trsprudence - twitter page now deleted.
Update: http://www.wsj.com/articles/christopher-steele-ex-british-intelligence-officer-said-to-have-prepared-dossier-on-trump-1484162553
Saw this too:
Someone from 4ch@n actually came on the Jeff Kuhner talk show just now and gave the inside baseball. His name was Tom and he says the group is talking to a lawyer and they're not going to let this drop. Probably for their own protection, I would think.
He was part of the group who created the original story. Apparently Rick Wilson's son writes ludicrous stories about this kind of stuff for his own pleasure, I guess. So the piss story was made to annoy Wilson about the kind of material his son writes. Purely a joke. And what initially started as a joke made it up the chain of command with Wilson to Evan McMullin who I think passed it on to McCain and McCain passed it on to the Intel agencies and media.
The CIA ADDED STUFF about Russia which was NOT in the original story (which is probably why they're talking to a lawyer.)
Obviously all the news media is involved but this is going to become a much bigger story than it is even now and I would not be surprised if McCain was forced to resign and Tapper is fired. Please excuse any typos as it's hard to get this on a mobile.
ThePuppetShow ago
@Valkore Why would you delete this thread, other than limiting exposure? You do recognise that Trump and his team are our only hope that something gets done about this bullshit, right? That and this connects to pizzagate because the people reporting PG is fake news, are caught reporting fake news.
You also didn't leave a mod tagged explanation on why you deleted the thread, in the thread. If we have to follow the rules, so do you.
@Phobos_Mothership @Millennial_Falcon @wecanhelp @OTPROPHET @Vindicator
wecanhelp ago
@Valkore has indeed made a mistake not disclosing the reason for removal in a comment at the time of removal. I can see he has since fixed that problem, although his comment is still not distinguished. I totally agree that mods need to follow their rules as much as other users are expected to follow theirs, so Valkore, please don't forget the explanatory comment as well as distinguishing it in the future.
However, I believe he was right to remove this post under rule 1, and I would have done the same. /v/pizzagate is an investigative subverse, and your post doesn't add anything relevant or of value to the investigation itself. It is more of a general discussion of an indirectly relevant topic that, while may be important to discuss, is always a better fit for /v/pizzagatewhatever as the main investigative sub is already very diluted as is, which is why we have rule 1 in the first place.
We're trying to improve our communication, and I apologize if you have indeed contacted us and you haven't received a reply. We have a lot to do as the majority of new submissions violates rules, and also new mods are added to the team continuously. We're still a young team and we're admittedly not optimally organized yet. Please bear with us.
ThePuppetShow ago
1) Well, it wasn't my thread and I don't know the person who's it was.
2) Bullshit.
The rule states that it must be relevant to pizzagate, not that it has to be a new lead in the investigation. I understand you have to protect your non vocal friend, but to claim this doesn't have anything to do with pizzagate is obsurd. You guys are not here to decide what topics we will discuss, so quit playing China and censoring shit that IS relevant to pizzagate.
It's not you who should be apologizing, it's the ones who flat out ignore people. I'm not looking for an apology though, I want this shit to change and I just want you guys to know.. We see you and shit is being documented.
wecanhelp ago
The quoted rule also says:
No, but we're here to decide where you discuss those topics. /v/pizzagatewhatever has been created precisely for this purpose, to be a home to all the indirectly related topics and unsourced, non-investigative posts that are otherwise worthy of discussion by the community.
Unless the post author is capable of pointing out how their submission furthers the investigation itself, we will continue to remove these submissions, and usually redirect them to another sub of the linked subverse network, unless they're completely off-topic.
ThePuppetShow ago
Pizzagate is "the investigation". It doesn't say "it has to be a piece/lead or further the investigation". It says it has to relate to pizzagate (the investigation). Quit spinning it to mean something it doesn't. This was big news.
Throw one of the biggest stories of the week in pizzagatewhatever hahaha sounds like a good way for mods to make stuff, almost, disappear. I say almost because 324 people out of the 10,298 will still see it.
wecanhelp ago
This is my last attempt at explaining, if it's not successful, I give up. The practice will stay the standard practice nonetheless, and submissions like this will be redirected to other subs in the future.
This is what this submission is about (directly quoting the title):
The MSM write off Pizzagate as "fake news" but call Trump pissgate story real.
Now, let's assume that tomorrow the MSM starts spreading that Tom Hanks is, in fact, a shapeshifting reptile. Am I then rightfully submitting the following post to /v/pizzagate?
The MSM write off Pizzagate as "fake news" but call Hanks reptile story real.
The only relevance of Pizzagate in OP's post is that it's the benchmark of comparison. Just because I mention Pizzagate in my post, it doesn't automatically make it relevant to the investigation. The definition and rules have been crafted well enough to eliminate that loophole.
ThePuppetShow ago
Now Trump is as relevant to pizzagate as Tom Hanks? LOL Forget that people have accused him of being involved, through Epstein? Forget that he and his admin are the only hope at getting pizzagate exposed/prosecuted through the DOJ? This was good news for pizzagate because it shows he isn't compromised by this document and so far he isn't a sexual deviant.
You can't be serious about this analogy.
ThePuppetShow ago
@Millennial_Falcon @wecanhelp @OTPROPHET @Vindicator
Seriously, WTF? Another thread was deleted the other day by @Phobos_Mothership and when I questioned it, I was ignored. I then tagged @Millennial_Falcon about it and was ignored again. Should I start a thread about this to get something done? Or will it just get deleted? Save and archive I guess.
wecanhelp ago
Please see my combined reply to this and to your other comment one level above this comment.
Investigate1999 ago
I hear you. This is crazy.
ThePuppetShow ago
Did you delete this thread? Nevermind...
alliecapone ago
I think 4 chan really outdid itself this time, they should be quite proud of that
srayzie ago
Wouldn't you think the 4chan guy would be afraid the story would never break out on the news and the CIA investigating Russia could have used that info and compromise Trump? Could he get jail time?
hacktheplanet ago
what if its all one big plot to ultimately discredit channers. scenario: they go in and plant a fake convo early on about how they are feeding some fake story to wilson. fastforward a few months, story breaks and people freak. then the convo thread is brought up again and the narrative that "4chan created the hoax" is being fed to the public. now what happens? they lose all credibility and general public thinks 4chan, voat, are all a bunch of liars and any talk on the boards of pizzagate, etc can also not be taken seriously. bc they are just making up a bunch of fake news stories. ----- what do you think? can anyone vouch for the guy saying he fed wilson the fake story?
SlackeryTurnBull ago
It's not us. That's what it's being called. Pissgate/Pizzagate... is the similarity a coincidence?
SlackeryTurnBull ago
There's a troubling similarity with pizzagate in the mistaken identity of Michael Cohen, like with DOJ Andrew Klein. Fake news only becomes a problem if we let it and allow ourselves to be misled. How to avoid it? Don't assume things to be true. Demand proof.
srayzie ago
I know. It just pisses me off. I have some guy on Twitter who keeps sending me messages to check out #pissgate and said he hopes I enjoy my president that likes to fuck his daughter and grab pussy. I wasted all this time explaining Hillary's corruption and Pizzagate. Gave him links and pictures and it goes over his head and he says he can't believe so many people are this gullible.
We are the informed ones! We do our own research! We don't just listen and read MSM but do our research. These people are so blind and mind controlled and I'm so sick of being called a conspiracy theorist! The media has used this Russia hacking crap to take attention away from the actual corruption that was exposed! That should be the focus. Why aren't more people not freaking out over that and demanding answers?!
I swear, it's not good for me to watch the news sometimes. I purposely didn't even watch the Meagan Kelly interview with James Alefantis. I knew My blood would start boiling. I get pissed and nobody in my life cares or wants to hear about the truth and they hate politics. My 15 year old started getting into it during the election and is wanting to know more. Other than that, the only place I have to vent and have like minded people is online. People who just want to live blindly just irritate me so bad.
Sorry for the venting! I'm just so thankful to have good people like you all that care enough about these poor children and take time out of your lives to try to bring these people down. I'm proud of us for being good people. 🙌🏻
dickface8 ago
You gotta watch that interview, just to experience the depth of audacity on display.
srayzie ago
I probably should. I'm just not in the mood to get pissed
throwawaa ago
Do you think they didn't actually fall for this story, they knew it was fake and reported it as if it was real, intentionally?
GoHeadBeGoneWithIt ago
yes.... thats what they been doing for the past few months nonstop
sleepingbeautycan ago
They probably suspected it was fake but didn't think there would be enough to prove it wasn't. Now they are saying they published in the interest of letting readers draw their own conclusion.
OrwellKnew ago
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pissgate
Feels good man
Orange_Circle ago
If you have not seen it, watch Trump calling CNN fake news and refusing to take their question. Snowflake reporter has a meltdown.
chickyrogue ago
orwellian down is up afterall
OrwellKnew ago
;)
chickyrogue ago
;0
SlackeryTurnBull ago
Pizzagate is not immune to fake news. They will try to misdirect and discredit us. All claims need to be verified by facts.
reasonedandinformed ago
More evidence captured of the CNN #FakeNews, showing the truth of how these "reporters" feel about us at these propaganda networks (to cut to the chase, go to 1:40 of the clip):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB7zg-Tcq9g
Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20170111172858/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB7zg-Tcq9g (I appreciate pointers on how best to archive and not have such a lengthy link)
tamaman ago
they are just trying to outdo the pizzagate scandal with some bs... they keep pushing false stuff so nobody knows what the fuck is exactly going on etc.
freeagent37 ago
The Media has become the official Traitors of the world and is in complete break away from the people.
GeorgeHodelDidit ago
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4108960/How-Trump-s-nemesis-John-McCain-kicked-Kremlin-memo-scandal-handing-dossier-FBI-sending-emissary-abroad-collect-it.html They say McCain created the story....McCain is obviously a Masonic Satanist.
salinaslayer ago
Brilliant, kinda jealous I didn't think of it myself
Hooliganscat ago
I think this speaks volumes about how desperate the elite are. They are scared. Another fascinating aspect is how easily people are swayed by such disinformation. This reveals a great deal about human society and the power of the media.
noreturn4me ago
Here is the 4chan thread: (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/95568919/#95571329))
The_Kuru ago
Where is the original 4chan post that details the hoax that was sent to Wilson?
noreturn4me ago
This is the back up I could find. I do not have the origional.
asdfghjkl123456789 ago
NOT idiots! Do not think of the MSM as idiots, or you will fail to understand your enemy.
The MSM are there to throw people off. They are the propaganda arm, and they can be quite effective. They're liars, not idiots.
Spindle ago
I wish I could upvoat this multiple times
cyks ago
Go ahead. Make multiple accounts and upgoat away. They are still fucking stupid.
carmencita ago
I guess you can make this stuff up.
salinaslayer ago
Look on the bright side, people aren't that idiotic, MSM have completely destroyed their credibility and they don't even know it
Ronnilynn31 ago
I was hanging around on 4chan when all that was going down & one poster brought that original thread out of the 4Pleb archive and broke it to everyone. Then all Twitter hell broke loose No, I don't hang out in 4chan normally, but these days you go where the autists are to get the real scoop...
LeChevalBlanc ago
Narrative :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyeMNCWgDHA
Bill_Murrays_Sandals ago
MSM is getting worse and worse and it's hilarious
2impendingdoom ago
A big huge thank you to 4chan. And to the MSM who fell for it, they are not journalists, they cannot think for themselves. They are victims in that they are willing to destroy their credibility and careers rather than recognize that someone took a piss on them. Really, it is sad and shows how completely brainwashed (or culpable) these people are. And sadder, is that they think we are stupid enough to fall for their bait, when in fact 4chan laid the trap. Its hilarious but also so pathetic.
RedGreenAlliance ago
Yes. child trafficking and elite pedo rings are a proven THING. Kids are abused or worse. This is known fact. And these BASTARDS are shilling for the new world order Please read this if you get a chance from my blog https://redgreenalliance.com/2016/05/12/take-the-red-pill-tragedy-hope-101/
Maybe get your husband to read and you'll both be cursing together
SayWhatNOWAY ago
That is why President Trump goes on Twitter, to go directly to the people!
RedGreenAlliance ago
I wrote this on my blog about Mockingbird https://redgreenalliance.com/2016/04/04/top-german-journalist-msm-news-is-propaganda-we-all-lie-for-the-cia/
OrwellKnew ago
I once had an idea that someone should start a site "MockOrNot" as a response to the PropOrNot "fact checking" site. Mock being Mockingbird Media
RedGreenAlliance ago
Good idea. Do it!
privatepizza ago
Go for it! Excellent idea
the_magic_man ago
Reverse what you said:
Pizzagaters call pissgate as fake news but pizzagate is real.
How is that any different?
Rightfight ago
Because we are smart enough to verify information , unlike youself by the looks
the_magic_man ago
Where is your verified information to confirm pizzagate?
Rightfight ago
Well? What is your position then? You have asked for why I consider it Relevent for being discussed and investigated , compared to the Pissgate proper fake news? How do you feel on the subject?
the_magic_man ago
I asked for some evidence of pizzagate. You haven't given any.
Rightfight ago
Well. I can see you are either a little retarded, or you are just a person who has difficulties dealing with there own pedophilia . Or you are directly involved . If you have looked at the circumstantial evidence and feel that there is no reason to be concerned that children are at risk . There is no point discussing with you . When you disregard the evidence I presented to you . Which is not even conclusive , the sheer weight of supporting evidence ,would be impossible to write out in a post. What is your position on the subject?
the_magic_man ago
You gave me your version of events. If you believe that a pedo ring is in operation and children are in danger or getting killed and you haven't gone to the police with your evidence, you're as bad as any of the pedos you say are involved.
Rightfight ago
I am an ex pat . and not able too. But I am doing plenty. What d'ya mean 'I gave you my version of events?' I think it is starting to become clear what person we are dealing with . You haven't got a clue have you. We are doing everything we can for the justice for these kids , you can guarantee we won't give up either..
the_magic_man ago
You have access to a phone or post? Or one of these? https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/legal-attache-offices/
You're as complicid as the pedos
Rightfight ago
Look at all the circumstantial evidence and you tell me that there is nothing there to warrant an investigation? Plus the fact look at how easily the Main Stream Media have run with this allegation . But regarding Pizzagate ,which had far more solid reasons to run with the story . They call it 'Fake News' and behave like the most decently behaved people ever. Since when have Media not run with money making stories ,even when the facts have not been verified? Then you have John Podesta ewho has been publicly called a Child Abuser. And he has not tried to sue anyone. If someone accused me of this crime , I would be making sure my name would be cleared right away. Is John Podesta not bothered that people consider him a child abuser?
the_magic_man ago
Lots of people don't go to court for every little thing. Its not worth it. What's the biggest piece of pizzagate evidence? Have you gone to the police with any thing?
Rightfight ago
So are you telling me you have looked at the evidence. And you are quite happy with things? Do you have friends like these? That might be where we are differing . Are you desensitised? .What do you not feel is valid in reference to carrying out an investigation. What areas have you looked at and decided' Wow that's perfectly Normal everyday behaviour , that I and my friends get upto?!' I mean, if it is a case of 'you have looked at all the pizzagate material and decided 'Thats normal behaviour' Then that is what is our difference is . I do find a Person who makes sexual comments about children on facebook/instagram posts odd, and when you combine the sort of Bands 'Majestic Ape's Heavy Breathing' That perform at Comet Pizza . That create video's and music which has images of BDSM mixed with Children. And The free disgusion of 'Are you a Pedo etc etc . These are the freaks who talk about how they killed there new born baby cos of the inoises it was making. These are the freaks which discuss with the audiance that the manager has a taste in children and little boys, and comments that everyone has there preferences . Then you have James Alefantis's Ping Pong Pizza place that encourages children to the place ,despite it being full of Adult imagery on the walls, Pieces of Art in the Bathroom which say's 'Shut up and Fuck'. Very healthy child enviroment. Along with the signage related to his Pizzaria's being Officially recognises symbols that underground Pedo Rings use to communicate without general populace being savvy too. The list of reasons that cry out 'An official Investigation should be carried out. Along with the fact that you find that the Mainstream Media ,have suddenly become saints and decided 'No Story here' lol We ought not make money from this !? I mean WTF since when have the press stopped running stories ,even if the facts were not as yet on the table? And how about our two lovely Brothers Tony and John Podesta who just love to collect pedophile related Artwork of Kim Noble and plenty of other names within that area of disgustting imagery . We are all waiting for the brothers Grimm to come and sue all the people who have Libelled and slandered the Child Abusing Nonces . Not a peep heard from them ? FFS If someone publicly stated that I was a child abusing Pedo , I would be wanting to clear my name! Just like any other right minded person. But no, they are quite happy for these claims to go unpunished . Because they don't want the truth being exposed. Pizzagate is sadly real even though it is something so foul and beyond imagining ,the fact is it is being swept under the rug. Just like the Franklin cover uo Just like The Haut de la Garande
GhostOfSwartz ago
Let's play that game for a minute. Do I want kiddie diddlers or a guy that pays prostitutes to piss.... I'll take the pisser. I hope he pulls the pizzagate card now. Especially on McCain and Lindsay Graham.
Orange_Circle ago
Wish I has ten upvotes for that!
GeorgeHodelDidit ago
I am certain Trump has blackmail on McCain and Lindsay....when he takes office these two will get in line....then probably retire early.
2impendingdoom ago
Pizzagate is based on verified Podesta and DNC emails, with evidence being also posted on the FBI vault. There is no debate over the "carelessness" of using an unsecured personal server for state biz or having p@ssword for security (by an expert). the content of the emails is original source material and shows proof of wrongdoing in regards to knowingly funding terrorists at the very least.
the_magic_man ago
Pizzagate is based on bad interpretation of normal everyday stuff
remedy4reality ago
There is a great opportunity here for all Voaters to use this debacle by the MSM as a conversation starter with PG skeptics. My jaw hit the floor when I heard it last night and I immediately knew CNN had been trawled. The Ministry of Information is really off it's game !!
ploppy ago
The Kremlin get stuck in: Deputy head of the Russian presidential administration: “The Kremlin has no compromising information on Trump. This report does not correspond to reality and is nothing but an absolute fiction,” This is a total bluff, an absolute fabrication, complete nonsense,he Kremlin does not collect compromising information. The Kremlin [and] the Russian president are engaged in building relationships with our foreign partners, firstly – in the interests of the Russian Federation, in the interests of the Russian people, secondly – in the interests of global peace, stability and security,”
“This is an obvious attempt to harm our bilateral relations,”
Pulp fiction, that’s what it is called in English. Of course, probably the best way to react would be accordingly – with a certain sense of humor."
“Although there is a downside – indeed, there are those who are stirring up the hysteria, who go out of their way to maintain this state of a witch-hunt,
https://www.rt.com/news/373283-kremlin-trump-clinton-compromising/
SecularPenguinist ago
I hope 2017 is all about trolling the media. Just to keep illustrating over and over how incompetent they are.
bopper ago
Will there be a media?
alliecapone ago
If they repent and start to praising kek there's hope
bopper ago
I'm still trying to figure out kek, sounds like you don't wanna mess with kek (I do dig the alt right). Too late for them to repent. We are the new media.
alliecapone ago
truth be told, I haven't an idea and haven't searched either...I see it phrased a lot, totally thought it had something to do with pepe or something. But, I do agree with you on repenting. Too damn late. I believe people like us don't have a specific narrative to push in order to collect our paychecks. We do this out of the pure feeling of "it's right, it's right to investigate, and report truth no matter how harsh"
I enjoy being the new media...I just want a press pass, ya know to cover some concerts ;)
bopper ago
"I believe people like us don't have a specific narrative to push in order to collect our paychecks..." Yep. The legacy media is still in denial, they will be dead and buried.
i2amspartacus ago
It gives me hope that Trump may not be a Rothschild puppet -- controlled opposition -- which has been my worry from the start. I used to bash Trump. If he tackles pizzagate, which I'm sure he knows is real, he will be my new hero.
sleepingbeautycan ago
I don't think controlled opposition would destroy a effective source of misinformation for the PTB. Which gives me hope.
bopper ago
I'm counting on it, and I've always known he's the real deal.
concernedaboutitall ago
That. Is. Amazing. Archived the article here. http://archive.is/xIC8e
Konran ago
Motherfaking brilliant!
RedGreenAlliance ago
The MSM have completely blown all remaining credibility. The have fallen for a 4chan hoax. Read this thread and linked tweets for an explanation on how it happened.
https://twitter.com/mrbones_returns/status/818994577587597313
https://i.sli.mg/em1lYF.jpg
This is epic! i think we are going to see a lot more about this story... the media are going to double-down in an effort to save face and in so doing, destroy themselves even more. We are living in the twilight zone... HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN ANYTHING LIKE THIS???
AreWeSure ago
4chan started this based on a post in November? References to this were already in print in October. Harry Reid had already asked the FBI about this.
November is too late for this. What's the earliest mention on 4chan?
alliecapone ago
This is like our War of the Worlds, when the radio stations freaked everyone out. Never thought I'd see something like it in these newfangled days...that's literally the most epic troll I've ever seen.
RedGreenAlliance ago
Been reading the 4chan guys are scared and have spoken to a lawyer. They think they may have to protect themselves by coming forward and tells big their story. What scared them was the CIA Added lots of embellishing details which they didn't provide.
It makes sense to me. CIA are the worst enemy in the world to have. Best to come forward and explain everything start to finish. Then there is no reason to suicide them if they've nothing left to hide; their deaths, as they are now public, would cast more light on the CIA
bopper ago
Ever seen anything like Trump?
RedGreenAlliance ago
Nope! The ultimate sleeper patriot. Even his reality tv career was grooming his image, ingraining on the minds of Americans, creating a massive twitter following, and cultivating a winner image, the guy who fires or hires. He's been planning this for many years, despite the media pretending it's a whim. When he saw the madness of Hillary, I guess he felt he had no choice. People also dismiss his intelligence; he's genius level. My only concern is his greatest strength could be his weakness; he has a massive ego and can be too brittle with criticism. He's not perfect but nobody else could have pulled this off
bopper ago
He's true blue, loves America, and Roger Stone says he's fearless. Yes, providentially he's been raised up for this moment. Trump from an old Playboy interview: "Life is what you do while you're waiting to die. You know, it is all a rather sad situation. We're here and we live our 60, 70, or 80 years and we’re gone. You win, you win, and in the end, it doesn't mean a hell of a lot. But it is something to do—to keep you interested." He knew his time to run was about to expire.
Volt ago
The media can die in a fire for all I care, but you're committing the same mistake. I'm not going to blindly believe that some Anon hoaxed the whole thing because he made a post saying he did.
asdfghjkl123456789 ago
This is an excellent tactic for discrediting them. Far more effective than bitching about them being liars. SHOW that they are liars, let them hang themselves.
"Hoist by their own petard"
SpikyAube ago
Wow that was a genius idea to show up the MSM!
SayWhatNOWAY ago
This was priceless! Just seals it, that ALL MSM are corrupt and are in it with the Clinton Pedo Cabal!
RedGreenAlliance ago
yup. shocking isn;t it? I think they've sealed their fate with this nonsense. What a laughing stock they have reduced America to, with this insane panic about Trump winning. Its going beyond Twilight Zone weirdness
pizzaequalspedo ago
Yes it shows that the CIA and MSM are biased and will give something that fits their political beliefs the benefit of the doubt.
It's hilarious that the CIA is getting a taste of its own medicine.
The CIA needs to be destroyed.
heretolearn ago
the cia uses the washington post as it's tool. look what they did to actual journalist gary webb
https://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/18/wposts-slimy-assault-on-gary-webb/
Vic138 ago
Not just Gary Webb, but Phillip Marshall. He was an ex-pilot for the CIA that wrote a couple 9/11 books and was investigating a lead at a airplane boneyard/graveyard for retired planes in Az. He heard the real planes that were supposed to hit the towers were there. Soon after that the police said he killed his children and dog before committing suicide. His computer and all his notes on his new book were missing. The whole scene was extremely suspicious but was never investigated.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/02/28/philip-marshall-murder-suicide-a-lack-of-evidence/
heretolearn ago
I did not hear about him. thanks for the link.
SayWhatNOWAY ago
Agreed!
RedGreenAlliance ago
I am really shocked they fell for this (CIA and MSM). It is so outrageous that it sets a perfect pretext for Trump to go in with CIA reform, and bring the MSM under control (allowing them to be held liable and sued for fake news etc)
lossau ago
No. MSM shouldn't be under control of any government. And if you want to accuse someone of fake news, which is MSM's bullshit narrative, you've already lost the game.
RedGreenAlliance ago
No we should accuse people of fake news. We cannot refuse to play their word games. They create narratives and tropes and force them on us. If we igore, they win. We need to hijack their words and use them against them. FakeNews has been such a massive success for us - to the extent the WaPo and others want to retire the word because Its almost exclusively used to describe the MSM. Use it! Fake news now means lying MSM
RedGreenAlliance ago
Who says MSM under control of government? They should have checks and balances. As it stands the fourth estate has become the single biggest branch of government; consider the manipulation and lies . At the very least they should be able to be sued for lies .its not persecution: they simply must be able to stand over a story before publishing it. They've pulled shit this year that no media would ever do in the past. "I was raped by Trump 27 years ago" "can u prove it?" "No" "did u report to the police!or complaint to anyone?" "No" "ok we will run it as nausea for weeks, and it will be picked up by every single media outlet and blasted throughout tv and social media for months" wtf
pizzaequalspedo ago
Agreed, it's a slippery slope to try to control what is real vs what is fake news. IMO make it as free and open as possible. Let people make their own minds up as to what is real and fake. With the internet, you can get to the truth pretty quickly.
I think overall the term "fake news" will be used against the MSM far more than against the more obscure alt-right media. They will regret inventing that term and strategy as it will be used against them. They often forget that no one trusts them and their approval ratings are horrendous.
justforthissubverse ago
@ RedGreenAlliance
I like most of what Trump has to say...
BUT
When it comes to "holding media accountable" and being able to "sue" them, I am vehemently opposed to Trump. It is IMPERATIVE to a free society that the media remain untouchable by political elites. The government should have NO DOMAIN over the media. PERIOD. EVER.
Because although you may love what Trump has to do and say, REMEMBER in 4 or 8 years someone YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH will be in the White House. Do you want THEM to have control of the media? Because they will in your scenario.
pizzaequalspedo ago
Agreed. Very slippery slope. The Dems have realized this after blowing up the filibuster and all the executive actions.
Those strategies cut both ways.
justforthissubverse ago
That's the perfect example actually. The press has to be free to make their stupid outlandish claims, because there will never be an objective way to determine what is "outlandish". Someone always has an agenda and when those people are in control, they will mold the press to their agenda. Therefore the only logical solution is to have complete freedom of speech and information. Even fake news must be allowed.
remedy4reality ago
The current media is 100% committed feeding you propaganda and lies. There is nothing objective about it. @redgreenalliance is a genius on this subject and frankly, you sound extremely naive.
justforthissubverse ago
Your naivety is on full display as you support censorship of the press. The fact you call others naive is called "projection".
Sharipie ago
They didn't "fall for it", they created it. It's their big lie and they're in trouble becuz nobody is buying.
RedGreenAlliance ago
4 chan created it - look at this chain:
https://i.sli.mg/em1lYF.jpg
I think a lot of the media backed off it or were quite tentative reporting. ALL OF THEM new it was very iffy for publication, SOME OF THEM knew it was bogus. But the Far Left nutjobs reported in desperation it would stick. Massive mistake.
Personally i think that the good guys in the CIA leaked it to the press HOPING they would fall for it. Its clear they had this via McMullin / McCain. Its a double bluff.
I refuse to believe the CIA bigwigs who hate Trump would leak this actually thinking it wouldn't backfire massively and discredit them. It took Twittersphere a few hours to uncover the whole sordid chain back to 4Chan, so surely the CIA could have figured out the story would only damage them.
Thats my theory, could be wrong, but don't think so.
justforthissubverse ago
McCain. What a pathetic loser.
SpikyAube ago
The thing is, these people we're dealing with think that they are on some other level of intelligence to everyone else - they think they are like the next stage in evolution or something, when clearly they aren't. So they consistently underestimate the Internet citizenry, and they also consistently do dumb stuff.
eyeVoated ago
Yep, it's because they think Internet users are on the same level of stupid as idiots who hypnotize themselves in front of the brainwashing machine 24/7.
RedGreenAlliance ago
Maybe you are right... but as i said - its easily debunkable. I mean who is going to believe
https://i.sli.mg/zfogIv.jpg
He's wearing kids pyjamas, opening presents with hentai (Jap cartoon porn), then going to private cinemas to watch it with a room full of prozzies, presumably wanking off?
God these 4chan guys must be laughing their tits off!!!
You know if it was a planned 'leak', numerous people would have had to have a chat about it before doing it. These people are top intel... maybe you are right. But i find it easier to believe my theory.
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