IsThisGameOfThrones, I recomend for your safety: use the Periscope app to broadcast every time you go anywhere. It doesn't have to be a public broadcast. Make private broadcast and have a couple of close trusted friends use the app to follow you 24/7. Also, you & your friends can use an app called Scopedown to download/archive any periscopes you might wish to.
He has NO PROOF he talked with Alefantis. In 30 seconds I reproduced this video by right clicking the name on a chat window in facebook, clicking Inspect Element, and then editing the url that the link goes to. That link stays the same even if you click Home, because the chat window is not reloaded. http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.png
He needs to do a livestream and prove it in multiple different ways suggested on the fly by other trusted people here. One example would be (on livestream) to restart his web browser, open up facebook, open up the chat, and click the name like he did in his proof video. He claims he is no longer able to view Alefantis' profile (I still can), but we would still be able to see that his browser tried to visit that url and was blocked or redirected. That is, if it's worth the effort to prove this. But if we can't prove it, it's not really much use to us.
He is already making money off pizzagate through his tshirt website, which he advertises in his videos. This gives him a monetary incentive to make this up, to get more attention. I'm not accusing him of lying, just saying there's no proof so we shouldn't all waste our time on this until it is proven.
EDIT: 12 hours later, IsThisGameOfThrones has not replied (http://archive.is/w3BfF)) to my PM or to any of these comments demanding proof.
EDIT: Two days later, he has replied to many other comments to say that it is real, but not to this one with 100+ upvotes that explains how to actually prove it.
That to me is evidence this is a fake, and my guess is either he wants to undermine the credibility of pizzagate by throwing a fake story into the mix, or he's trying to make money. I don't like saying that someone is lying but I will remain skeptical until he provides the requested proof.
A video of alefantis threatening him on the phone would be at least a step further he's supposed to be researching and archiving but he takes a number of phone calls from alefantis and records nothing. I want to believe him but I need something more.
Presenting a 100% proof would put him in even greater danger, assuming this actually happenened. Stay safe, i'd rather have an alive faker than a dead truther!
Why didn't he just go to his chat page which will list James and other people he chatted with all on one page. He only shows us the chat widget which throwawaa was able to recreate easily.
Agree - I would have liked it if he recorded the phone calls. I mean, MAYBE you get a pass for not recording the first call but NO WAY are you not prepared to record the 2nd call. In addition, I am assuming JA will contact him again because of the repost video and the threat video. When that happens, there's no excuse for NOT recording the call.
I came here to say this. A video of a browser means nothing, when modern browsers allow you to modify elements at will. A high schooler in a basic webdev class could fake this in 5 minutes.
Yep. We need a situation proving this communication that can't be accomplished through basic alteration of website code. Maybe he could log in on a different computer to show it's a legit conversation.
No doubt there is, but he wouldn't have needed to. If he faked it, he would have created a fake profile with the name James Alefantis, so that would be the pop up text anyway.
That's my way of thinking. But he'd have to make it look the same as the real Alefantis profile (because it's easy to compare) and you'd have to delete it straight away (before Alefantis changed anything on his real page).
No he wouldn't -- see https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541808/7505552. The fake profile only needs the name and profile photo -- then he can edit the chat box to link to the real james.alefantis profile to get the effect shown in his proof video.
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whirledpeas ago
IsThisGameOfThrones, I recomend for your safety: use the Periscope app to broadcast every time you go anywhere. It doesn't have to be a public broadcast. Make private broadcast and have a couple of close trusted friends use the app to follow you 24/7. Also, you & your friends can use an app called Scopedown to download/archive any periscopes you might wish to.
throwawaa ago
He has NO PROOF he talked with Alefantis. In 30 seconds I reproduced this video by right clicking the name on a chat window in facebook, clicking Inspect Element, and then editing the url that the link goes to. That link stays the same even if you click Home, because the chat window is not reloaded. http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.png
He needs to do a livestream and prove it in multiple different ways suggested on the fly by other trusted people here. One example would be (on livestream) to restart his web browser, open up facebook, open up the chat, and click the name like he did in his proof video. He claims he is no longer able to view Alefantis' profile (I still can), but we would still be able to see that his browser tried to visit that url and was blocked or redirected. That is, if it's worth the effort to prove this. But if we can't prove it, it's not really much use to us.
He is already making money off pizzagate through his tshirt website, which he advertises in his videos. This gives him a monetary incentive to make this up, to get more attention. I'm not accusing him of lying, just saying there's no proof so we shouldn't all waste our time on this until it is proven.
EDIT: 12 hours later, IsThisGameOfThrones has not replied (http://archive.is/w3BfF)) to my PM or to any of these comments demanding proof.
EDIT: Two days later, he has replied to many other comments to say that it is real, but not to this one with 100+ upvotes that explains how to actually prove it.
That to me is evidence this is a fake, and my guess is either he wants to undermine the credibility of pizzagate by throwing a fake story into the mix, or he's trying to make money. I don't like saying that someone is lying but I will remain skeptical until he provides the requested proof.
shaboyi999 ago
You should apology to OP,
throwawaa ago
Is there proof now that he talked with Alefantis? I haven't seen it yet -- could you give me a link?
Thanks
ohnellie ago
Yeah when he said "and it should go to his profile...and it does" that made me a little wary. Like he wasn't sure it would work
thezodiac ago
I'm still waiting, it's starting to look like BS really
WindowsInJudgement ago
A video of alefantis threatening him on the phone would be at least a step further he's supposed to be researching and archiving but he takes a number of phone calls from alefantis and records nothing. I want to believe him but I need something more.
Naspert ago
Presenting a 100% proof would put him in even greater danger, assuming this actually happenened. Stay safe, i'd rather have an alive faker than a dead truther!
party1981 ago
Yeah I want to believe that this is real.
The Pegasus video was very convincing.
But there is a clear financial incentive here, and everything in the new video can be faked.
Scoundrel ago
Why didn't he just go to his chat page which will list James and other people he chatted with all on one page. He only shows us the chat widget which throwawaa was able to recreate easily.
victuruslibertas ago
Agree - I would have liked it if he recorded the phone calls. I mean, MAYBE you get a pass for not recording the first call but NO WAY are you not prepared to record the 2nd call. In addition, I am assuming JA will contact him again because of the repost video and the threat video. When that happens, there's no excuse for NOT recording the call.
notArobott ago
I came here to say this. A video of a browser means nothing, when modern browsers allow you to modify elements at will. A high schooler in a basic webdev class could fake this in 5 minutes.
madmanpg ago
Yep. We need a situation proving this communication that can't be accomplished through basic alteration of website code. Maybe he could log in on a different computer to show it's a legit conversation.
throwawaa ago
It has to be a live stream to be proof to the people watching the live stream. Almost anything else is easy to fake. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541808/7505552
Throwthisaway33 ago
This is correct. We need more proof.
JUNOAK ago
What I couldn't get it do though was change the pop up text which it does in his video. I'm sure there is a way but is it easy or difficult?
throwawaa ago
No doubt there is, but he wouldn't have needed to. If he faked it, he would have created a fake profile with the name James Alefantis, so that would be the pop up text anyway.
SIMONBARROW ago
That's my way of thinking. But he'd have to make it look the same as the real Alefantis profile (because it's easy to compare) and you'd have to delete it straight away (before Alefantis changed anything on his real page).
throwawaa ago
No he wouldn't -- see https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541808/7505552. The fake profile only needs the name and profile photo -- then he can edit the chat box to link to the real james.alefantis profile to get the effect shown in his proof video.
common_sense ago
Everyone needs to upvote this comment, a livestream is crucial to authenticating that this is legit.
throwawaa ago
Thanks for suggesting the livestream in the first place common_sense.
redditsuckz ago
Might as well livestream it via youtube;
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2474026?hl=en