Relevance to Pedocracy should be the test. Pedocracy is the name suggested for the suspected, likely informal association of elite individuals that use pedophilia to organize, manage and discipline their efforts to dominate or disproportionately influence outcomes in matters of interest. We do not investigate pedophilia in general or individual acts or actors in isolation. We do investigate any activity and persons that are in close proximity to the levers of power in and over society as a whole. That includes government as well as politics -- executive, legislative, judicial, lobbying, military, intelligence -- as well as media, business, finance, law, medicine, accounting, technology, academia, think tanks, philanthropy, endowments, etc. Geographically, we may focus now on DC/US but we are open to information concerning overseas extensions and possible interlinkage with foreign analogs.
This behavior seems to be emergent, so it would be good to understand how it emerges. Then we will have a much better idea of where to look and maybe how to reform our political institutions to prevent this.
I agree with this comment. Pizzagate is about the pedocracy. It's about human trafficking rings involving the elite. If it hasn't got a circumstantial link to a billionaire, human trafficking or child molestation is irrelevant to this sub.
Also, not all elites are billionaires. They may be mere millionaires that have great access to others wealth and political connections, and know the dirt that keeps them close and valuable.
Fine, but , for instance, Gacy, - http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/gacy.htm - may seem to be an individual case, but it turns out he's connected to the Bush brothers, he and his partner are.
So I really don't see the value in excluding anything. Because you can't know ahead of time what is important. Why limit the investigation. It's not as though we have a shortage of paper, with the Internets facility. Also, we don't have a limit to the number of amateurs who could become invovled. As I see here there is some thousands already. And on Facebook there's close to 10 K on this subject. Why limit it? I'm suspicious of the motivations for that.
If I was excluded from some posts I want to make, for a reason I didn't see fit, I would just start a new Sub -Verse for my topic. Does anyone see any problem with that? And if that's the case why the stress over what may be deleted from this particular subverse here? Can't one sub-verse link to another? What if I just created another sub-verse called "Pizza Street" - which I prefer the name anyway?
EDIT: At least 7 of the downvotes on this comment resulted from a downvote brigade intended to sink my CCP into the negatives. They are not related to the actual comment.
Pizzagate is specifically about the Clinton Foundation, Comet/Alefantis, and the Podestas, but I agree that other examples of elite/government pedophilia are relevant because, at the very least, they are supporting evidence, and they may even be connected to the Clinton Foundation. All of these elite pedo rings may be connected to varying extents.
I would suggest not trying to force the facts into fitting Clinton Foundation as the center of this. Them being late comers to a sick game, it seems unlikely to be successful thinking of it that way, but I would think of it more as a gear or a hub in a larger machine/network. I am reminded of the blind men describing an elephant -- the Clinton Foundation may be the trunk or the tail, but it ain't a snake we're looking into.
I'm not sure I would agree with the first twelve words there. It's true that Pizzagate started with this, but this isn't the definition of it, it's merely the start (I think we'd all agree on that). For example, I could say "James Alefantis has close ties with Tony Podesta, and Tony and his brother John have close ties to the Clintons". (I hit all three) but then there are the ties that the Clintons have as well as those that the Podesta's have that are far-reaching and could well be a part of lots of things that could be deemed relevant. This is going to lead to such an enormous and wide-ranging amount of info, and leads are being discovered all the time. I would urge you to not think so much about moderating the topics as such, but to moderate the duplicated topics (I'm starting to see some patterns that suggest this is being done on purpose to clog the boards up and slow things or dilute things down).
As an example; imagine 9/11 just happened a week ago, and instead of revealing new information, I told you what you knew last week. In between me telling you what you knew last week, are some valid bits of information. These valid bits of information get swamped by the repeated news and disappear. Do you see what I'm getting at?
but then there are the ties that the Clintons have as well as those that the Podesta's have that are far-reaching and could well be a part of lots of things that could be deemed relevant.
That is already relevant under my definition. I didn't say a post would need to implicate ALL of them. Even their associates are relevant connections.
Ok a link linking TRUMP Is really necessary here. Only mention of TRUMP I've seen is with regards to J Epstein. And there is far far more linking Clintons to Epstein than Trump. He was banned from a Trump property. So please share what you've gathered so I and others can deem for ourselves the quality of link
Epstein was banned from 'mar-a-lago' in 2007, only after 25+ years of a close fuck-buddy relationship of Trump-Epstein, google cocaine party's NYC, trump/epstein, 1,000's of eye-witnesses from 1980's->1999.
Regarding ban, a 14 yr old girl was giving massage to epstein, he tried to fuck her, she went to parents, who went to cops, cops went to mar-a-lago and they banned Epstein for life, not a fucking thing really to do with Epstein, he was an out of control pervert who thought he owned the world.
Trump started distancing himself from most of the MAFIA by 2004, when he knew he was being groomed for politics.
Epstein is a known MAFIA Mossad agent, also he is Bilderberg & CFR, just like Peter Thiel who is also connected to Trump & Epstein.
Thank you for sharing this.I know most of this but I will absolutely look into Trump connections. Wish you had links as you'd think with "1000's of eye witnesses" there would be something.
Right on the money if the need is to break the thing open.Remembering there may be parallel investigations that are or have covered many angles of what is seen here..
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readstuff ago
Relevance to Pedocracy should be the test. Pedocracy is the name suggested for the suspected, likely informal association of elite individuals that use pedophilia to organize, manage and discipline their efforts to dominate or disproportionately influence outcomes in matters of interest. We do not investigate pedophilia in general or individual acts or actors in isolation. We do investigate any activity and persons that are in close proximity to the levers of power in and over society as a whole. That includes government as well as politics -- executive, legislative, judicial, lobbying, military, intelligence -- as well as media, business, finance, law, medicine, accounting, technology, academia, think tanks, philanthropy, endowments, etc. Geographically, we may focus now on DC/US but we are open to information concerning overseas extensions and possible interlinkage with foreign analogs.
movebackward ago
I recommend adding Kakistocracy:
This behavior seems to be emergent, so it would be good to understand how it emerges. Then we will have a much better idea of where to look and maybe how to reform our political institutions to prevent this.
smudgepotforever ago
I like the term Pedocracy and the subsequent definition. Wish I read this before I posted. Closer to what I was trying to say.
FearlessFreep ago
Emphatically agreed. What we call "Pizzagate" is but a small chapter in the history of the Worldwide Pedocracy.
wisdomtooth ago
Relevance is decided by VOTE! (Hence the name of the site.)
Who elected these mods to decide what is relevant for the rest of us??
SannleIkurrin ago
Like the way you are thinking.
thicktail1730947 ago
I agree with this comment. Pizzagate is about the pedocracy. It's about human trafficking rings involving the elite. If it hasn't got a circumstantial link to a billionaire, human trafficking or child molestation is irrelevant to this sub.
eggmunkee ago
Also, not all elites are billionaires. They may be mere millionaires that have great access to others wealth and political connections, and know the dirt that keeps them close and valuable.
thicktail1730947 ago
True. I believe Alefantis himself is a mere millionaire.
samhara ago
Fine, but , for instance, Gacy, - http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/gacy.htm - may seem to be an individual case, but it turns out he's connected to the Bush brothers, he and his partner are.
So I really don't see the value in excluding anything. Because you can't know ahead of time what is important. Why limit the investigation. It's not as though we have a shortage of paper, with the Internets facility. Also, we don't have a limit to the number of amateurs who could become invovled. As I see here there is some thousands already. And on Facebook there's close to 10 K on this subject. Why limit it? I'm suspicious of the motivations for that.
If I was excluded from some posts I want to make, for a reason I didn't see fit, I would just start a new Sub -Verse for my topic. Does anyone see any problem with that? And if that's the case why the stress over what may be deleted from this particular subverse here? Can't one sub-verse link to another? What if I just created another sub-verse called "Pizza Street" - which I prefer the name anyway?
crystalclearme ago
I agree and was my thinking in my post above. Well done. Very well done
Millennial_Falcon ago
EDIT: At least 7 of the downvotes on this comment resulted from a downvote brigade intended to sink my CCP into the negatives. They are not related to the actual comment.
Pizzagate is specifically about the Clinton Foundation, Comet/Alefantis, and the Podestas, but I agree that other examples of elite/government pedophilia are relevant because, at the very least, they are supporting evidence, and they may even be connected to the Clinton Foundation. All of these elite pedo rings may be connected to varying extents.
eggmunkee ago
I would suggest not trying to force the facts into fitting Clinton Foundation as the center of this. Them being late comers to a sick game, it seems unlikely to be successful thinking of it that way, but I would think of it more as a gear or a hub in a larger machine/network. I am reminded of the blind men describing an elephant -- the Clinton Foundation may be the trunk or the tail, but it ain't a snake we're looking into.
Yuke ago
I'm not sure I would agree with the first twelve words there. It's true that Pizzagate started with this, but this isn't the definition of it, it's merely the start (I think we'd all agree on that). For example, I could say "James Alefantis has close ties with Tony Podesta, and Tony and his brother John have close ties to the Clintons". (I hit all three) but then there are the ties that the Clintons have as well as those that the Podesta's have that are far-reaching and could well be a part of lots of things that could be deemed relevant. This is going to lead to such an enormous and wide-ranging amount of info, and leads are being discovered all the time. I would urge you to not think so much about moderating the topics as such, but to moderate the duplicated topics (I'm starting to see some patterns that suggest this is being done on purpose to clog the boards up and slow things or dilute things down). As an example; imagine 9/11 just happened a week ago, and instead of revealing new information, I told you what you knew last week. In between me telling you what you knew last week, are some valid bits of information. These valid bits of information get swamped by the repeated news and disappear. Do you see what I'm getting at?
samhara ago
Why not just skip what you already know?
Millennial_Falcon ago
That is already relevant under my definition. I didn't say a post would need to implicate ALL of them. Even their associates are relevant connections.
CIAEatsShit ago
PizzaGate is about 8 million children, of which 2 million are forced into sexual slavery, and then end up dead and bled for organ harvesting.
To limit pizzagate to CPP&CF is doing exactly what NY-TIMES say's pizzagate is about.
PizzaGate is about RNC & DNC fucking children and harvesting their organs & blood to the saudis/israel.
TRUMP is king of the PEDO's, so quit saying that its only about CF.
crystalclearme ago
Ok a link linking TRUMP Is really necessary here. Only mention of TRUMP I've seen is with regards to J Epstein. And there is far far more linking Clintons to Epstein than Trump. He was banned from a Trump property. So please share what you've gathered so I and others can deem for ourselves the quality of link
VictorSteinerDavos ago
Epstein was banned from 'mar-a-lago' in 2007, only after 25+ years of a close fuck-buddy relationship of Trump-Epstein, google cocaine party's NYC, trump/epstein, 1,000's of eye-witnesses from 1980's->1999.
Regarding ban, a 14 yr old girl was giving massage to epstein, he tried to fuck her, she went to parents, who went to cops, cops went to mar-a-lago and they banned Epstein for life, not a fucking thing really to do with Epstein, he was an out of control pervert who thought he owned the world.
Trump started distancing himself from most of the MAFIA by 2004, when he knew he was being groomed for politics.
Epstein is a known MAFIA Mossad agent, also he is Bilderberg & CFR, just like Peter Thiel who is also connected to Trump & Epstein.
crystalclearme ago
Thank you for sharing this.I know most of this but I will absolutely look into Trump connections. Wish you had links as you'd think with "1000's of eye witnesses" there would be something.
WITLESS ago
Right on the money if the need is to break the thing open.Remembering there may be parallel investigations that are or have covered many angles of what is seen here..