The Besta Pizza = Andrew Kline = Saudi narrative is CTR disformation! (pizzagate)

submitted ago by Millennial_Falcon

They are pushing this HARD now.

First of all, we already know that the Andrew Kline listed as "agent" on Besta Pizza is just an attorney who filed the paperwork, and we know that the Andrew Kline in the DOJ is a different Andrew Kline.

http://archive.is/I2has

http://archive.is/2ji23

Secondly, I have seen zero evidence of a Saudi connection to Besta Pizza, other than someone with an Arab name (Abdel Rahman Hammad) being listed as "governor" in business filing for the location. Remember that LegionWill was pushing this without providing SOURCES, and he was OUTED AS A SHILL and deleted his account.

Also, the video posted on youtube by "Random Rants of Ryan" is disinformation. If you put the video quality to where you can actually read what's on the screen, it is showing businesses owned by 3 different people, none of which are Abdel Rahman Hammad. They are 3 different people named "Hammad Abdelrahman." This is like confusing people named Michael Johnson for someone name John Michaelson.

NOTE: I do believe there is a Saudi connection, but these disinformants are trying to send us on a wild goose chase and get us to promote fake evidence (and possibly slander an innocent man) so we discredit ourselves! Be careful! Investigate any alleged evidence CLOSELY and CAREFULLY, and DEMAND SOURCES/EVIDENCE.

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AdVict0riam ago

As bad as it's been lately, can we sticky this for a bit? It's super important this Andrew Kline disinfo doesn't take root.

Millennial_Falcon ago

As bad as it's been lately, can we sticky this for a bit? It's super important this Andrew Kline disinfo doesn't take root.

@kingkongwaswrong @Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion

kingkongwaswrong ago

hey man, victorsd is a hands off owner, I think crensch didn't mean to be so active and I'm going to be awol soon, feel free to do this stuff if you feel like it's the right decision! You have mod powers, you should be able to do most things.

I'll sticky it right now, since I'm not sure if you're online but next time if you think it's the best thing for this board right now, feel free to do so.

Millennial_Falcon ago

I'll sticky it right now, since I'm not sure if you're online but next time if you think it's the best thing for this board right now, feel free to do so.

Maybe for a day or two, as a warning to users about disinformation and the need to be skeptical of new claims. The summary sticky is also pretty important. I'll be glad to maintain somewhat of an active role, although I do have to balance with other responsibilities. Soon I'll see if I can find a few more mod candidates to help out with watching for disinfo and posting violations.

justanotherpizza ago

Mods set the framework for this sub, so in my view it is very important to have active moderators that can take this kind of defensive action to preserve legitimacy / credibility. I think this is where the old reddit pizzagate mods messed up. a hands off approach lets an active opponent create tons of accounts that can completely distort the sub. without a moderator exercising judgement, it literally will go to shit. Something that I and I believe others would appreciate is some kind of objective measurement related to each main lead. what are the supporting facts, what speaks against, so that rhetoric without substance cannot gain ground.

thank you for all this work.

VictorSteinerDavion ago

important to have active moderators

I am active, but not in a manner that is easily apparent.

My primary function is to make sure the sub doesn't fall to bad actors via mod churn (rapid mod turnover), and to help the other owners in case of calamity.

Something that I and I believe others would appreciate is some kind of objective measurement related to each main lead. what are the supporting facts, what speaks against, so that rhetoric without substance cannot gain ground.

If you think this is a worthwhile thing to add to the community maybe you can take that on when you see the need.
A comment containing an objective assesment given all the other info surrounding the topic can help people gather perspective on this ever growing jigsaw puzzle.

Moderators are servants to you the community, if you think the community could benefit from a course of action speak up and bring it to the attention of the community.

And just for reference, this sub will not be left moderator less or taken over by bad actors due to the foresight and planning of @kingkongwaswrong, doing this work is not a risk free endeavour.
There are a few checks and balances to ensure this doesn't turn into a reddit shithole. I am messaged frequently by concerned members of voat and I welcome bringing to my attention the concerns of the community.

kingkongwaswrong ago

<3 love you man. I love our intellectually diverse mod group.