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OpenSoulOpenMind ago

Been interested in this case for a while, I definitely believe those children. Signing petition now.

norobotono ago

When you say you believe them do you mean when they first made the allegations or afterwards when the police drove them around all the places they were supposed to have been and none of their allegations checked out and when they were confronted by this, they admitted that the mother's boyfriend forced them to say it all?

cayenne-peppe ago

Fuck off you nonce I watched the copper threaten the boy during the interview.

norobotono ago

Call me whatever - it's the standard response from those who took everything at face value and never investigated the claims at all. I'm only concerned that the right person be the one who is found guilty and in this particular case, it was Abraham and all the evidence proved that if you could be bothered to look at it.

You only saw what you wanted to. The policeman didn't threaten the boy or the girl. In fact, the boy asked that he never have to see Abraham again. He and the girl were clearly terrified of him and who can blame them after he beat them and kept them awake and mentally tortured them.

Show exactly where the policeman threatened the boy and back up what you say.

cayenne-peppe ago

He asked if he was going back to his father and then started changing his responses. do you really think he's goning to say i'm going to bash you head in or something.

norobotono ago

Again you are ignoring that the children said later that Abraham made them say those things and that their dad never did those things to them. They said this when they knew they did not have to see Abraham again.

The children were so terrified of Abraham because he had physically and mentally abused them so that they said what he told them to. He drummed it into them.

He woke them in the middle of the night and made them stay up repeating the things he wanted them to say. He punched the boy so hard he is now partially deaf. He slammed the girl into a wall and kicked her to the ground from behind. He hit her on the forehead so hard with a wooden spoon that the bruise was still visible days later on the video at the airport. He made them kneel on the ground while he poured water over them. And you want them to be returned to the mother so she can subject them to this evil person again? The mother who chose him over her own kids.

You ignore that the medical report showed the children had been drugged by Abraham.

You ignore that a member of the public (possibly the taxi driver) was so horrified at his abusive treatment of the distraught girl that the person reported him to the police, for dragging her around London the night before the police were due to take them on a tour to see the places they had made their claims about. He was telling people she was a baby killer and making her repeat things he wanted her to say. This was backed up by video proof which was shown to the mother after she denied it happened. Same with the Jean-Clement recordings. It is Abraham making them repeat things.

You ignore that he had child porn on his phone (which may even have been the children for all anyone knows, as it was never stated). You certainly don't care if it was because you continue to venerate this sick abuser as a saint and would be happy for the children to be returned back to his vicinity for that same situation to happen again. And let's not forget that the mother is equally as guilty for allowing it to happen. The same mother who was earlier reported to child welfare by a neighbour for locking the children out on a balcony all day with no food or water, in their sleepwear.

All the above is backed up by facts. Medical, video and witness statements.

Facts are what convict people, not salacious stories that you want to believe in.

ListenUp ago

We believe the children's initial video testimonies, the "Jean-Clement concealed evidence" recordings, the first two police interviews of both children, and we believe whole-heartedly the third interview of Sept. 17 was a coerced retraction by both children. I believe the children more than the adults trying to cover up the case. The harder you try, the more I believe the children

norobotono ago

You are aware it was Jean-Clement who turned him in because he was so concerned about his treatment of the children.

ListenUp ago

Turned Abe into who? Jean-Clement was concerned about the children alright, they'd been getting raped at school. Most people show concern for children getting raped at school. We've been at this for a long time now, this case isn't going away. Ever.

norobotono ago

It was Jean-Clement that went to the police with his secret recorded he made with them at his house. Not Abraham.

Also in that session it becomes known that Abraham had been working on this story full time for a whole month with the children, which begs the question of why if there was a suspicion of abuse up to two months prior, instead of going immediately to the police like any normal parent would do, they instead went to Morocco for a month. Was it perhaps to get the evidence that Abraham told Jean-Clement in several phone calls the month earlier that he would need?

Jean-Clement wanted the children taken out of the reach of Abraham, and being a diligent and responsible person also handed over the recordings to the police so they could investigate fully. Abraham nor the mother did that. Ask yourself why.

Here is an example of what disturbed him -

"106. Another significant feature of the audio recording relates to the intense animation generated by Mr Christie when he is urging the children to chant, over and over again, “Kill the babies … Kill, kill, kill … Let’s say it together … I like the sound of it!” The children, unsurprisingly, join in with the chanting and Mr Christie’s evident excitement."

"Let’s say it together … I like the sound of it!" This guy is one sick and twisted piece of work.

ListenUp ago

Lol, always deflecting back to Abraham...it's your usual tactic. Jean Clement was MEANT to turn over the recording to police, that was THE PLAN. Abraham went to Jean Clement's home to report to him first in order to know how to proceed. The children's testimonies at Jean Clement's home were given to a police officer (Jean Clement) and it was HIS DUTY to hand these recordings over. This was the "initial contact" with police.

"The 3 hour recording made by Jean Clement, Abraham’s brother-in-law, a Special Police Sergeant. On the day the family returned to the U.K. after the children’s disclosures on September the 4th Alisa, Gabriel , Abraham and Crystal, the family dog arrived late in the evening to Jean Clement’s home address. Jean Clement’s wife, Abraham’s sister was asleep upstairs. Ella and Abraham had enjoyed little rest since the children’s disclosures and were both still coming to terms with the situation, so Ella had gone home to relax and shower, and was scheduled to meet up with them all later. The children were calm, alert and happy to be finally free of their burden, yet would still persistently attempt the programmed ‘intimate touching,’ which would trigger more dysfunctional behavior. Jean Clement handed this recorded evidence and private video testimonies to D.I. Cannon of Barnet Police station. D.S. Rogers then concealed this critical evidence in a police property store an hour’s drive away from Barnet Police station in Chingford. The full 2 hr. 53 min. recording gives the listener an extraordinary insight into the Hampstead Cover Up. This recording has never before been published in its entirety." Text taken from the mother's Youtube video titled "Hampstead Cover Up. The concealed evidence - Jean Clement's recording." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnVA4qEnyXI

Here's the transcription of the entire recording...https://dearmandoeshampstead.wordpress.com/2016/04/29/the-jean-clement-recording/

norobotono ago

I mention Abraham because he was the only one proven to have abused the children which every single supported of this story DEFLECTS away from when questioned.

So how about you answer that one simple question - would you be happy to allow the children back into his company?

Yes, lets not forget the dog who the mother cared more about than her own children. She could sneak back to her house for the dog but never once turned up for any meetings or court dates to get her children back.

And people should listen to those recordings to see how that sick pervert bullied the children and what a fantasy land he lived in. He even accuses Jean-Clement's daughter of being involved too didn't he?

So ask yourself again, why did he not go straight to the police station to report it 2 months prior?