Wait, so did you find a comparable building on the street to look at what its square footage?

Also the thread was leading to

1) prohibition - basement and tunnels - okay so this makes things really interesting. I feel research about prohibition and the D.C. area might be something to look into. I would have to ask if the person who purchased this had that in mind, so it would have to be someone with a pretty good knowledge on it, or would the realtor mention it? It would seem that someone would have covered that up, because why the hell would it list that square footage but not disclose a basement, but say it's 2 stories when it's so small? So - is someone looking to purchase this with the basement/tunnels in mind? Was it covered and they knew it was there? I understand there would be a lot of people in D.C. that would specialize in history - but if these tunnels connect to other buildings that are owned within this whole pizzagate network.

This needs a followup post. I have found a lot of research through voat today that might tie this together?

2) People discussing the building being 20 years old, not really sure again why there wouldn't be anything noted about a basement, seems one that was sealed up and forgotten about makes more sense, but a new building we would see things about? I thought the permits that the community found were related to a different building.

3) Something small to add - I was using the archived images on google street view - you are able to view for almost 10 years back? I notice comet ping pong used to have a ping pong table outside - but then around 2011 the street view changes where it's a lot more closed off, it used to just be a normal looking storefront, then it went to a more enclosed dining area in the front with tall plants.

It might seem weird to note, but I'm not really sure when James involvement starts and ping pong actually switched to this whole pizzagate timeline. It says the building was bought 05, but is that really how far back it goes?

I am suspicious of the Politics & Prose place that's a few doors down, saw it mentioned in a wikileaks email that was sort of strange back in 2008.

**edit just found this in another thread DIRECTLY RELATES "DC underground - There is an abandoned underground streetcar tunnel running the length of the street where Comet, Besta, Terasol, and Beyond Borders are located, could be used for any illegal activities related to this affair, images on JimmyComet Instagram show underground construction happening at Comet."

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1430989

SO the buildings were purchased with this in mind? Do any buildings they don't own link to it? Do only the buildings owned link to it? If any others did, they would've sealed them I would imagine.

Hi, I had started to do research on big cheese llt and the house Alefantis owns. I pulled up various county records. There are 4-5 building permits with the house that span a two year period. Stairs, fire windows, and more. I will post when have a chance to, soon.

I also did research on the two comet health dept records. I wrote extensive analysis of discrepancies and lackings on another subverse, and that two different inspectors were used, and same female supervisor signed each record. Usually a inspection will utilize one inspector so that nothing is overlooked.

Many areas need digging. The two construction guys, which I hope are safe. I wrote about a older black.man in DC that has advocated over a decade on the mass cold cases of all ages, including infants, most black. He surely could help get those workers identified.

Also, mini remote cams could be placed at safe distances and legally of various locations. Testing water runoff, sewage, street, river, matsh behind is possible evidence that is lost, each day that goes by.

The attorney listed on the house records, I began to dig up also. He is listed with two Dif addresses.

In the search, not sure of any know; I found a possible added victim to Clinton death list. Hillary had a driver, that was oddly hired with many past driving charges. Hillary had over $5 k ( maybe over $10 k) in illegal parking charges, including parking or blocking handicapped and fire zones. Hillary "excuse, " of course, is she did not know, and its the drivers fault. As if, all the parking tickets of her red porshe were not in her awareness, to ensure driver parks correctly or just even freaking pay the cheap parking tolls.

Right before the driver was to appear in court after his subpoeno, he was oddly hit by a car in a parking lot and killed!/ As usual, DOP, Loretta L had waived Hillary's parking tickets. ( as so many low income people are arrested and put in jail for not paying. Ones say, well if showed up to court would not be arrested and pit on a payment plan. Yet, many cannot afford the payment plan as in abjunct poverty or living paycheck by paycheck, regardless of working 40 plus weeks. Many Walmaet, fast food, blue collar workers are on foodstamps. Many are in financial binds with forced Obamacare payments).

I appreciate your hours of work in researching the basement. A 360 degree search in all areas that connect are not only how to solve case; but also how to build base legal cases that will stand in court and prestrategize outcomes, so that court cases will fully end and stop entire pedogate and multi connected corruption's that also dire impact millions of lives in just America, but also abroad..

Everyday, pedogate victims are in dire life and death. Everyday, public health care victims are suffering and dying, also as public health care frauds are ignored, not addressed, and are from prior pres eras that enabled and covered up have easily escalated, as publication c tax dollars are defrauded in only, trillions.

To downplay that Dc area would not have their own in groups of convenient set ups, is at minimum, naive. Of course, convenience would be created. Time is money is time, and bones that overcharge, entitled hours are expecting even one minute of their time to be worth more than an entire week of work for the masses.

The podesta and Clinton emails care full of phrases, such as, " I have an hour to eat a pizza." ( not verbatim, just giving examples).

More time has been spent to stop subverse topics and content, then add content or just keep it moving if not interested in a lead. Efficiency in movements is key to solving and saving lives. In the shoes of victims, it goes down that everyday, every hour, every minute, and even every minisec; not only matters, but in dire life or death crimes or severe pain as a victim of crimes or medical necessity needs blocked or delayed, every mini sec is a pounding tortorous pain to endure through.

There are many that consistently comment that pedogate is false, or other phrases to demean or dissuade areas to investigate, or harp on their assumptions of a generalized content by ones. They have never been called out. And ones calling out, most do not even post content to wrote up what takes many of us, mass mass hours to days/ weeks of research, day and night.

Noone is paid that assists. Many of us already have very heavy wagons to pull daily to meet our life responsibilities, and some already assist many in their lives, already overcompensating with no time.

In life, when bad issues happen, ex: car accident/ veteran scandal victim, ones learn that many do not care and will not help even do a advocating phone call. That is, an appreciation when any person gives their time, labor and effort is a very strong indicator of legit, ethics, compassion, giving of time and self and is a value that money cannot buy, but is a conscious choice to give and sacrifice time and self as care with ethics, integrity and compassion.

I desire to work with ones that do give of their own limited time and have mutual respect and appreciation. Solving and successfully stopping pefogate and related multi corruption can only come/ become from hours given of research and dissemination as collaborating on effort.

Yes, this is bit of an aside commentary; yet as usual is an issue on many subverses where someone has put much effort and time to research and post. All that choose to do those actions of labor are pieces of the puzzle, and each pets n is a piece that can add significant value to solve and stop at the roots.

Every pedocase has not stopped the root of each case or pedo in its entirety; nor even given justice, safety to victims and then investigative advocates, but the disturbing opposite as only a few fall guys arrested, and very short and entitled sentences.

Every case and also the Clinton death list makes this issue very nonsafe. Every person that researches and posts, is also giving in a case that could bring potential harm and danger to themselves or relatives. That should be a respected mutual concern, have each others back.

To authentically care of pedo children victims, takes authentic value in all decent people to not be expendible. I only care to dissiminate with ones that have these consistent, ethical value systems. Ethics has no middle ground, requires consistency and is via conscious choice. Erased subverses equates as a lot of hard labour that took much effort and time to research and post is erased. Very disrespectful and does not lead to successful investigations, advocacy or court cases and action to stop and prevent.

I dug up a lot on Alefantitus house with county victims, his attorney, and more that I will post as soon as catch up on things that were unec delayed again, by unec nonsense as each day, hour, minute, mino sec is pertinent to victims. That weighs on my conscious daily, and surely is the drive that induces ones to research and post in long labours and efforts, as already trying to manage heavy burdens of life responsibilities in a society that is escalating the daily struggle and creating more victims of govt corp corruptions.

I joined this effort as already giving over four years of my life, every week to helping public healthcare victims. I spent my life, consciously choosing to give freely in advocating all types of corruption cases, including going to courts, public hearings, higher education, training in areas of trauma and assault, mass research. My schedule has already been overcompensated for over a decade, and greatly so in the four plus years of public healthcare advocacy that is very well documented.

I and many have patiently been waiting for society to wake up and have concerns on pefogate and mass corruptions. Yet, as a Franklin era victim/ survivor/ advocate, many other connected victims/ advocates have been saying on their blogs or in private to me; that hope is wary for safety concern strategies and real legal winning strategies that both past pedogate and all types of corruption cases have clearly demonstrated that well thought, new strategies and not repeat/ preventing mistakes, not foreseeing potential outcomes that have already happened are being ignored or minimized.

I hope that ones of hardworking value and decent integral, ethic traits, reach out to me and others and work to continue to build a healthy construct/ environment to continue to pursue evidence, document, justice for all who investigate, advocate and for any potential victims that want to reach out to share their info or need help. Even the potential for a child victim to come across a cell phone and quickly try to use it to reach out or to escape is a statistical probability of at least one percent that should be considered in strategy and concerns for a healthy construct of investigation on public platforms. If what I wrote is of no use to ones, that is OK. I write to reach out, dissiminate and work with ones of ease of mutual value and respect;/and rest is of no use to solving or saving lives at all or expediantly. Have a nice day, and thank you to any that do give of their time, effort and labour to research and post their findings in high appreciation. A lifetime ally of life in documented mass series of events.

What I have learned, and a long time ago is the recognition of laboring advocacy and any type of surviving victims; quite quickly can recognize such and appreciate that rare finding that is definetely not a dime a dozen. It is certainly, gross ingrained as imprints in societies to turn face, not choose ethics, minimize, deny, ignore harms to life and govt corp, top pyramid corruption's and all of that, which has been mirrored in mass populaces. Pyramid schematic societies or investigations will never resolve, nor have.

Ok, I was going from memory when I wrote above, and just tried to upload the pic to Imgur but failed. The blog is called On the Virg, which I linked to from Evie's Crib (many apologies for tech illiteracy) and the quote was actually from a post under the date Thursday Dec 27, 2012 which states "Disclaimer- VIRG expresses no opinion about the motives anyone selling chicken or about the Hobby Lobb..." Also linked from Evie's Crib as the blogger's "blog I follow" include "Evie&#;s Crib" "Jack&#;s Place" and "no" . Not sure if the significance of the spellings, but had read elsewhaere that there was a place to make a purchase on Evie's Crib, but I never saw that. I don't know if the significance, but help from others to determine the rabbit hole validity is welcome. Shitheads are not, which will make me think you're a phony anyway.

Agree that more investigating needs to be done. Could be a faux corp and could be an umbrella company that has a lot of businesses under their umbrella.

The photo of the supposed 'basement' in Comet Ping Pong, the one where they are digging for whatever reason, if you look closely, you can see an open exterior door on the left side of the photo (it's bright because of all the sunlight coming in). This makes it look like a walk-out basement / partial basement. If you look at the aerial view of Comet Ping Pong on Google Maps, you can see that this door likely goes to parking area at the back of the place.

I agree. I just hope some hard evidence pops up soon before all this shit fades away.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, in fact, it would not surprise me at all if this was all true it's sick as fuck and i don't put it beneath any of these evil fucks. However, I want to see some real proof that we can nail these fuckers with. From what I can see now is while disturbing as all hell I don't seen anything but speculation. I hope some real hard evidence pops up.

I remember an anon on /pol/ saying that there was a Subway "above" Comet. Is there any truth to that?

Hey OP - can you have a look at https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1457885 - the building behind it is part of CPP and measures exact see the shots on this. But Bucks is double in size as to what it should be also in that post. I used you work in doing this would you be able to help out and look into Bucks?

Another thought that came to me last night, in the video where Alefantis led those two idiots (they can't even work a camera without getting their thumb in the way?) on a tour, where were the storage units? Where was the kitchen where the prep work was being done? Obviously, there had to be more to the restaurant than tables where people eat and ping pong tables. There had to have been workers there preparing/prepping the food. There had to be food stored, so where the hell was it? Note the bathrooms were hidden behind what looked to be walls that were not walls. Is that where the kitchen/storage area is? The video is proof of something going on because what was supposed to be a tour of the place wasn't! It omitted important parts ... the most important parts of the business!

The ugly truth is that he doesn't have to be. He has everyone covering for him. When you have TPTB behind you, you can get away with anything. Just look at the DuPont sentencing. Even after being child molestation/rape being proven, the judge determined that jail would be too harsh and serve no benefit. I mean, WTH? Prison isn't supposed to be beneficial!!! It's a damn punishment!

Thanks for this. And, yes, everybody post as much as you can. You never know what will yield a clue.

I hope you're right. And, yes, a lot of people are digging into this. I like that fact. We each have a different perspective and somebody is going to strike gold. There is clearly something there. I think the efforts should be put towards proving there was a basement. I'm sure there's a basement that is now connected through a tunneling system to Bucks, but where does it lead? There have to be records about what businesses operated at that address. What would they be under? If someone is in the DC area, can they make a trip to County Records and ask the nice clerks for help?

If it were anyone else, except Mr been to the white house five time Alefantis, caught out in a lie of this magnitude, there would be police knocking his door down. Even so, it is pushing incredulity to new heights that they have not even pretending to do anything yet. Who is Alefantis getting favours from, I am curious? He claims to have asked the FBI for help, stopping pizzagate spreading, as well as youtube etc.

This excellent find, also points out big cheese lcc and comet pizza have the same phone number. 16 employees at comet pizza and 4 at big chees lcc, which says it is in specialty foods.

Found several articles on Dyar, Harrison Gray, Jr.who dug tunnels under his home near Dupont Circle back in the 1920's... interesting story but probably not related to CPP other than proving tunnels can be dug and in this case by one man with a lot of time.

Update: possible prohibition tunnel and also the tunnel extends to Rock Creek.

• HD pictures of tunnels here (see comments and possible prohibition smuggling due to broken bottle) http://www.shorpy.com/node/9542
• http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/10665/hidden-tunnels-bugs-and-bigamy/
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/inside-the-tunnels-of-washingtons-mole-man-harrison-g-dyar/2012/11/03/169851cc-1d41-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html?utm_term=.a4ee15fe55a9#comments
• http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/bizarre-tale-tunnels-trysts-and-taxa-smithsonian-entomologist-180959089/
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/who-was-harrison-g-dyar/2012/10/27/bbf54206-1c47-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html?utm_term=.fc5c394f0c85
• http://www.oobject.com/12-of-the-worlds-most-fascinating-tunnel-networks/h-g-dyars-tunnel-network-under-his-washington-home/5305/
• http://www.deseretnews.com/article/254669/WERE-TUNNELS-DUG-JUST-FOR-FUN-OR-SOMETHING-MORE-SINISTER.html

location seems to be 1512 21st Street NW Near Dupont Circle

Unfortunately, it is speculation that many are repeating (endlessly) as being factual.

That's BESTA PIZZA!!! Jack Prosobiec Periscoped his visit and it looks exactly like that!!!! He also said that there was a strange picture hanging up with a ladder to an opening to the second floor, with a piece of linen over the "opening," and the text with the picture said something about "enteri and experience your dreams." I'll find the periscope posted on Twitter by @jackprosobiec . He has since been interviewed by InfoWars about his experience.

I don't disagree it seems fishy as sushi. WAs just wondering if there was any hard evidence yet.

Sorry for my ignorance, but is there any proof that this is an actual conspiracy? I see a lot of people talking about PizzaGate but I don't actually see any proof of it, an I missing something?

The problem I have with the whole pizza gate thing is it seems pretty unlikely that it would be a huge pedophile/torture/murder thing. I admit that I have not done a whole lot of research on the subject but the fact that it was banned from reddit got me interested. I mean, how would you find members>? Hell, I'm afraid to tell most people I'm a Republican, how do murderous, pedophile, torturers meet each other? And how do major political figures get involved?

Yes, that's what I thought. You have to be able to walk under the floor for it to be considered a separate story. Some people have a sunken living room, but that doesn't constitute another story.

According to this link posted by OP, http://www.propertyshark.com/mason/Property/11881126/5037-Connecticut-Ave-NW-Washington-DC-20008/ the lot size is .09 acres. An acre is 43,560 square feet. Multiply that by .09 and you get 3,920. So the building fills the entire lot and the sq. ft. of a 1 story is the same as the lot size. This is confirmed by measuring the building on Google Maps. But it is listed as two stories. Most likely because it has a full basement which is unfinished, therefore not included in the building size in the listing. However, the front of the building is almost the same height as the building next door which is two stories. If there is no apartment above, it seems most likely that the second story refers to a basement, quite common in buildings in the DC area.

there was a time machine function on google maps at one point... I wonder if you could go back on that location and verify it hasn't changed in the time period that satellite info is from

Is there? I didn't even know it existed. The thing is, it may calculate based on the two floors. What we need to find out is the square footage of the dining area ... the one floor that you see. Doesn't anyone life in Washington? If someone could just get one of those light measuring tools, they could mark down the outside dimensions of that first floor. It would be slightly larger than the interior, but we could get a rough number of how many square feet the actual restaurant is.

4,000 sq ft, if the back half is also Come Ping Pong, which I believe it is.

If it's 3,925 square feet of floor space, then it's only one floor. I just measured the dimensions using Google Earth data, the footprint I got was approx. 4k sq ft. The back half is CPP too, right?

Proof? And did the other people in the US and Canada named Alefantis do the same?

Nah, it's a family name. Already debunked that.

The back entrance to this place is so perfect for coming and going discretely. They frequently close down the whole restaurant for private events i guess too. Which i dont get how practical that is, seems like you would piss off customers who show up during business hours and youre closed.

The property was purchased in 2005 by Christopher Achilles LLC, and that entity remains the owner of record. (Achilles is James Alefantis' middle name, btw.)

https://sli.mg/1TMOBF

No permits have been pulled.

https://sli.mg/TqxvqO

The business license is under Big Cheese, LLC.

https://sli.mg/hOMJ8b

But...but...but...does this mean alefantasy was lying? SIGNS POINT TO YES

Prohibition. The place was built in '32 a year before it ended... Most facilities that had basements used them to either store transport brew or cater liquor. Tunnels were used during prohibition as well. More likely, that place was built with a basement not included in the original plans. Chevy chase has a history during prohibition several speak easys were there in basements pre-1933. I mean think of being a business guy in 1931-1932 not knowing when prohibition would end, and knowing how hard washington was clamped down on for liquor, knowing congressman visited certain speak easys to drink...wouldnt you raise a big building with a semi secret basement asap?

Should investigate those names on that last PDF. I found this interesting Mike Silverstein is a commissioner of the Dupont Circle: http://www.dupontcircleanc.net/wordpress/about/commissioners/ Ruthanne Miller, Chairperson Nick Alberti , Member Donald Brooks, Member Herman Jones, Member Mike Silverstein, Member Hector Rodrigue z, Member James Short, Member

When some people went to Comet and spoke to James Alefantis, he let them go in and look around. I'm sure they cleaned up knowing that they are under suspicion. But, the guy videoed walking down stairs to enter into the kids birthday party room. That's probably why it says 2 stories. https://youtu.be/gKTiUaloDDA https://archive.fo/OviqB

Are we able to find Alefantis real estate records?? Residential homes typically have an inspection and an appraisal. Does that apply to a business?

If so, we could find the inspector, appraiser, and real estate agent. Maybe the Inspection or appraisal records?

Maybe they would have an answer if it isn't confidential which it shouldn't be.

I enjoyed you being brutally honest lol

The sq footage basically equals the lot size, but it has 2 floors. Which would make sense if one of the floors was a basement and wasnt counted in sq footages. Or if the lot size sq footage was not accurate too on that site.

Don't know if its useful but with your information I had been able to get information about the former ownership of the building:

In today's Weekly Dish, Tom Sietsema follows up on the pizza rumor he started last week.

It is indeed Carole Greenwood and James Alefantis of Buck's Fishing and Camping who plan to open a 70-seat spot later this fall with a somewhat random ping-pong theme. The pizza joint will take over the former Thai Room location at 5037 Connecticut Ave. NW.

As for the pizza style, Alefantis describes it to the Weekly Dish as "Neo-Neopolitan," or "crisp, thin-crusted pies, covered (or not) with sauce as opposed to crushed tomatoes."

No word on a name yet.

So the building had been sold by "Thai Room" in June 23, 2005.

Source: http://www.amandamcclements.com/2005_07_01_archive.html

Edit1: This source is talking about some shows offered in Thai Room: http://www.hulutrip.com/news/201601/228991.html

Adult Show: Russian Show Live Sex Show 69 Show Dragon Club Sex Boyz Dance

He was sued in D.C. for failure to pay rent. That might have the full lease or purchase agreement with more details and map.

He mentioned in the D.C. gay magazine that the serial killer play (Terminus) was shown "in the black box upstairs." So there's a top area as well.

Excellent work!

the back room is at a little bit lower level than the front room, there's a couple steps down, but they don't overlap. not sure if that counts as "2 stories" for classification purposes?