COMMUNITY DISCUSSION - on shills, and setting subverse specific CCP requirements (link to previous background sticky inside) (pizzagate)

submitted ago by kingkongwaswrong

FOR BACKGROUND AND THE STICKY, SEE HERE https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1434672

On Shills and the past couple of days

Shills are real. For anyone who doesn't know what a shill is, they are someone paid to disrupt or influence online discourse. For examples of shills admitting their operations see here - http://archive.is/6JSUX

Here are some of the tactics shills use - https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

We've had a lot of these thrown at us in the past few days and we've managed to weather it in an ok fashion. I'm really proud of you guys as you're starting to be able to distinguish the shillery and downvote the shit-tier posts.

The correct response to shills is to ignore and downvote.

Also, this is a call to arms for everyone here. Please use your voats to help keep this place healthy. The less moderation has to be done, the better it is for all of us.

Need your input - should we set a minimum subverse CCP?

In the subverse settings, we can set a minimum CCP that people have to get in our sub before they can downvote in our sub.

This means that both new accounts and existing voaters have to contribute and get upvotes in /v/pizzagate before they can start downvoting our submissions.

The only downside is that this will remove us from the front page of voat.

Initially I didnt think this was a good idea as we were such a new community, but I think we have our footing now and this could help us with 'paid downvotes' and bots as well as shills cycling through new accounts or buying existing voat accounts.

Let me know your thoughts below.

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PizzaGatinOnYa ago

Please please do not let this become a censored place, I understand it is for pizzagate related things but pizzagate encompasses a lot of things. And having people see the bigger picture is really what it's all about. I mean its a world wide pedophile ring, but it has ties with trafficking guns and laundering money as well.

We lose credibility engaging in filtering and anti-shill tactics, but i can see the point how an outside user could see those and have doubts about this community as well. It just gives them validation that paying people to troll the internet is working for their goals.. And sometimes people being censored even in the smallest way is a HUGE turnoff for conspiracy folks.

If requiring upvotes to post a topic is what you are suggesting I think that is okay but perhaps you can give people 1 free post and then they require upvotes. It puts a cog in the shill machine(slightly) and still allows for that 1 post drop from anon's. Being on the front page is important. People are always bored on the internet and being in their face is a big attention grabber.

kingkongwaswrong ago

I don't think it stops people from posting, it just stops them from downvoting unless they have participated meaningfully in the sub