I was recently lured down to Lincoln, Nebraska by an online boyfriend who turned out to be a sex trafficking recruiter. I am unsure if the sex ring I was involved with is related at all to pizzagate, but it was nicknamed, "The Horseshoe." (Apparently all rings have their own nicknames)
The reason I have chosen to share some information is mainly because I am seeing a lot of correlations with my experience and some of the information that is surfacing on this subverse.
For instance, the two main people who were involved with coordinating my trafficking worked at a Pizza restaurant in Lincoln called Piezano's.
One of the pizza delivery drivers showed up to a party being held at the trap house I was in. He made sure to introduce himself to all of the other young girls who were recently brought there and obtained their contact information in a small black notepad.
On the night I was being handed off to the next trafficker, I was taken out to a bar called The Fat Toad where those involved with my trafficking had coordinated and roofied my drink without my knowing.
I woke up next to a transient in an open field the next morning. (I am more than willing to provide names and other information if asked since I have access to that information as well as their Facebook pages if you would like to do some further searching)
Long story short, I was able to escape from this transport with a lot of luck on my side, and I also managed to take a lot of his belongings from him in the process, including a large Ziploc bag filled with random phone numbers and addresses on them, including the black notepad the pizza delivery guy used to get my contact information.
Please feel free to ask me anything regarding my situation. I want to help all of you as much as possible as well as further my own research and understanding of human trafficking and sex rings.
Flaaffy ago
I wasn't worried. I made this thread already expecting some hostility and negative comments directed towards me. I have dealt with several people not believing me. And truthfully, I'm okay with that. I got to watch everyone involved in my trafficking start working on their cover up, and calling me crazy and delusional for speaking out against them. I'm used to this. Quite honestly, it only makes me want to try even harder to attain my justice and have my voice heard.
Flaaffy ago
Could you possibly message me privately so I can have access to your family member's contact information? I would like to speak with him. Even just to see where it takes me. I feel its worth a shot. Please.
Flaaffy ago
Can you provide me with the names of some of the female judges, please? I'm going to give this a shot.
RebelSkum ago
Here's my research into the POIs thus far. It's a work in progress, but it might help us focus on some key players. All are associates or active employees of Piezano's, and most notably Tabitha "Taloola" Mitchell:
Dan Feuerbach
Dan's an interesting level of strange. He's a confessed lover of pornography with bizarre, mentally-unhealthy fascinations. He's at least once expressed that violent sexual crime is an adequate solution to a problem: “I was coming up with a brilliant plan to rape Tushner and leave him for dead in a ditch somewhere.” There is racist hate speech and bountiful homophobia throughout his writings, and yet he was only in high school. Most interestingly he expresses a desire to find Lincoln's “dark underbelly” and makes repeated attempts to seek employment by those who know such information. Most disturbingly of all he writes a “novel” with a “secret hidden surprise” about a character who is involved in organ trafficking. He maintains contact with employees at Piezano's, however. Obviously he is not a current employee of Piezano's, but I feel it offers an interesting perspective.
He has a few blogs, but here's the one which includes his “novel”: https://archivefbach.blogspot.de/
Shawn Watters
Brandon Ray Zerfass aka “Jake Limber” (deceased)
He was struggling with the memories of what he had done and expressed a desire to “leave the face of the earth”. He was friends with William & Tabitha, Shawn Watters, as well as the owner of Piezano's, and is closely associated with multiple members of the Roach family. He died in October of 2016, and his family has kept the cause of death out of the obituary.
A Scott Cotts posted on July 10, 2014: “My friend Brandon at Piezanos pizza let me sample your salt and your salt is better than candy.” for a Cactus Slap Salsa in Tuscon.
William McIlravy
A direction connection to Flaaffy and the “dark underbelly” of Piezano's. McIlravy is a 23 year old Satanist who currently leads a punk-rock band, Delirica, in addition to delivering for Piezano's. William L. McIlravy is allegedly responsible for conducting much of Flaaffy's kidnapping. By the description of Flaaffy's event, he seems to also be facilitating a trafficking operation of some scale as he was used to take down the abductee's contact information.
From his own social media, he is dating an Alexa Roper who may or may not know more information as well. He does not have any currently published place of employment, although he has photos of him where he states he's delivering pizza, presumedly for Piezano's. He's delivering pizza with a fluid-stained mannequin torso that keeps him company.
He is currently associated with an address at 612 E 6th St York NE 68467-3122. I would most likely think this is his parent's address, as he is rather young (23), but it could be significant.
Tabitha “Taloola” Mitchell
Tabitha is one of the more open and publicly accessible workers at Piezano's, and the owner of the lease on the “trap house” at which Flaaffy was imprisoned. She is indeed friends with Mr. McIlravy
A strange detail; a Toloola Mitchell has made a Pinterest account and posted to a number of foreign Pinterest domains, including: France, Japan, UK, US, Czech Republic, Britain, Germany, and za?. The URLs themselves come out to a pattern of /taloola48/surfer-girl, /taloola48/military-style, etc. for just a few, real examples. This looks to me like a way to catalog those in Taloola's capture and perhaps open “untraceable” lines of communication between interested clients. Many posts directed to a “David Laity”, an artist who has recently done a string of pornographic works. Honestly I can find no legitimate reason for posting to international domains like this, and the amount of traffic she generates doesn't indicate a traditional, internationally-recognized audience or that her account solicits spam.
Spencer Allen
Spencer Allen is the alleged online individual who lured Flaaffy to meet him in the first place, initiating this whole event. He is openly in a relationship with a Porsche Draucker since 2013, so how he originally solicited Flaaffy is currently unknown to me. According to his Twitter (or at least a Twitter that appears to be the same individual) he is also a homosexual, so I find this even more puzzling.
He does solicit women using okcupid.com and likely other dating websites. He targets specifically women, same as his Facebook, which is an odd detail for someone who is openly homosexual according to that SAME profile. As an interesting note he lists his religions as “Other (but that's not important)” on okcupid. He is openly Satanist if you look into his photos and background.
He is friends with Taloola Mitchell, however, and has a close connection with his mom. He also has a knowledge of Anton LeVay's brand of Satanism and seems to do nothing but train Pokemon with almost no gainful employment evident.
Flaaffy also claims he lived with Tabitha at the house where she was imprisoned, and I can confirm he lives in Lincoln, Nebraska at least. These individuals are most certainly interconnected, as they are associates and seem to have frequent interaction with each other.
Hope McCulley
Hope McCulley is Spencer Allen's mother and alleged accomplice to the abduction of Flaaffy. She is responsible for arranging at least some of the details around Flaaffy's capture, as she met with Taloola shortly after her abduction. She would obviously be in contact with her son, Spencer, as well. Both Spencer and Taloola were running a “trap house”, so it seems certain that Hope McCulley was aware of what was happening and was facilitating a trafficking operation.
Hope is friends with Taloola, as well as Spencer (as you would imagine). She is a Hillary Clinton supporter, as well as a “sound healer” and practicing Pagan. I didn't find much in the way of blatant redflag material for this person so far. It is also entirely possible she has objections to her son's behavior and is trying to intervene, but something tells me this isn't likely. To some degree she is still guilty of facilitating a crime.
Marion Roach
Marion Roach is an alleged connection to Tabitha Mitchell and her trap house. Flaaffy claims that they are “together”, so likely they coordinate this operation together. He does indeed live in Lincoln and is friends with Spencer and Tabitha (Taloola). He's one of the few members of this system that actually states where he works, the YMCA of all places.
So far I don't know much blatant about Marion, other than he is indeed friends with Spencer and Tabitha, and a host of other sketchy characters (Josh “DrJoygasm” Olson). He is also doing fairly well for another person who seems not to be gainfully employeed.
Adam Brett Hancock (aka William T Phillips)
Repeat offender and transient who has been arrested at least twice for charges including burglary. Distinctive blue tattoo around his left eye. He is the transient Flaaffy eventually woke up with after being drugged by Tabitha at the Fat Toad.
Flaaffy ago
I wanted to ask if you could provide me with archived links or screen shots showing Spencer soliciting women over Okcupid. This would he huge for me and mean a lot. Please.
ArcherMcTaco ago
Go to 8chan /pol/ and go to the pizza and pingpong thread, take photos of the baggies contents, scrub the exif data of the pictures you take by taking a screen shot of the photo and posting the screen shots and not the original pictures. You may want to set up some sort of proof of life account. After posting archive your post with archive.is. good luck, thank you for comming foreward
9217 ago
Holy shit be careful and thank you for the bravery of posting
Runaway-White-Slave ago
A lot of human traffickers bring in their victims from foreign countries on work-visas often to do "seasonal" work in tourist towns. They'll bring over as many females as possible, get them stacked like 6 to a hotel room, get them regular jobs cutting a deal with the management, and the girls will work real hard, they know nobody here, and their trafficker intimidates them, often sexually exploits them personally, and more often demands they prostitute themselves during their off hours.
Been watching the same thing play out half of my life, and have talked to more than one girl from Czech, Ukraine, and other former Soviet countries, they like to bring them in because they're all taught English in school and most are proficient, but they like bringing in the Southeast Asian women in too from time to time. It's a double dose of bullshit though because they're taking seasonal work young people and even some older people would take, and they're also being made to prostitute themselves fearing what might happen if they refuse. Throw in the fact these women don't trust any authorities once they see the nice trafficker pimp flip on them on the way over, and every thing is being given a legal cover minus the being expected to prostitutes themselves in off hours.....
Real messed up, and here's the kicker, the traffickers are smart, you can pay for panties after intercourse and it's not prostitution, you can pay someone to have intercourse on camera it becomes pornography, even the prostitution is done in a way as to make it technically "legal"......
I'll stfu, but people don't have a clue the degree to which both Americans and foreigners are trafficked human sex slaves in the United States, it's what makes Heroin and all those similar pharmaceuticals so insidious, meth, crack, & coke can cause the same.... And young girls want to think it's some kind of joke when their parents are warning them about drugs? I knew a 13 year old virgin girl, never so much as smoked a joint, got introduced to coke, crack, and a room full of filthy fucking niggers in the same night, and for a little while "liked" that shit.......
But nowadays you can acquire Scopolamine, turn people into straight zombies, as if the Iphones weren't enough, people who don't know how fucked up things are don't want to know.
Flaaffy ago
That was before I had spoken with the FBI.
mysecretidentity ago
Do you still have access to your original redditt account and are you able to make a post from it referencing this thread or account
Flaaffy ago
Yes.
I'm worried about directly referencing Voat for fear of having the post removed entirely, but I will edit the post and mention my username at the bottom of my post right now.
ThinCrust ago
Sorry for the bazillion questions. I thrive on details and would appreciate any answers and details. Take your time, and thanks and glad you've escaped.
Flaaffy ago
9.How did you escape? How did you get home?
I tricked Adam into taking me back to my house by telling him I wanted to murder my family, loot up the house, and then get my car (Which was still parked in front of my parents house) so we wouldn't have to hitch hike and travel on foot anymore.
10.Did any of the girls talk about escaping? Did any other girls escape?
No and no. We were all pretty oblivious and unaware of the situation we were all in at the time. ):
11.How long were you at the trap house? Was it a regular house? How many rooms? Where did all the girls sleep? How were you guys fed? What about clothing? What about next door neighbors and suspicion? I was at the trap house for about two weeks total. Its an apartment. I'm pretty sure it was a two bedroom apartment. Either a two or a three bedroom. The girls would sleep with their boyfriends. I slept with my boyfriend on a fold out couch in the living room, another girl and her boyfriend slept curled up in a recliner in the living room too. The other two girls would leave with their boyfriends. I'm not sure where they slept, but they always returned back to the trap house in the morning.
12.May we have the address of the trap house? [EDITED]
Once [T] discovered I made it home, she broke the lease and moved out of the apartment (So I have been told).
13.What was turnover like, meaning how often would new girls come in and how long would they stay, and how often would they leave forever? How many girls total?
There were four girls there total including myself. One girl only stayed for about two days before she disappeared and was never mentioned of again.
I remember a younger blonde girl, Heather, stayed around for about a week. The last I saw her, she was crying while her boyfriend was yelling at her. Her boyfriend still came back to the apartment, but he only showed up by himself and didn't even bring her up or talk about her.
I remember a particular time at the apartment (shortly after the two girls disappeared), My boyfriend and three of the other guys asked me if I wanted to go over to [A]'s house. They had the keys in their hand and were standing up, ready to head out the door. I was starting to sit up about to grab my jacket, but then I laid back down on the couch and told the guys, "No."
Suddenly, one of the guys said, "Oh, she said no." and every single guy sat down on the couch at the same time and decided not to go either. I still have this gut-feeling that they were going to try and send me off that night or something.
Also, when everyone went out for a smoke break that same night, I stayed inside and so did [A]. Him and I were alone in the apartment. He then turned towards me and said, "You know, we sell most girls that come through here, but you're different."
I kept my head down and acted like I didn't hear him. I didn't know how to respond.
14.Did you or any of the other girls get paid? I didn't, and to my knowledge, no, none of the girls were paid either.
15.Did they call you and the other girls by their real names or nicknames? I'm starting to suspect some of the girls had nicknames. There's this one girl who was named Heather Murphy, and I have spent so long searching for her and trying to find any trace of her at all, even possibly a missing person poster, but she doesn't show up anywhere... so I am worried Heather Murphy was just a fake name or something.
16.Does anyone have your home address or phone number or any other way to stalk you? What kept any of the girls from lying just to protect themselves?
**17.How did you manage to get the black notepad and the Zip-Loc bag and other stuff that belonged to the ring people? **
18.Who lived at the trap house? Who owns it? [EDITED to remove personal information]
Flaaffy ago
1.How did you learn the ring was nicknamed "The Horseshoe"? When I woke up next to the transient (His name is Adam), I followed him back into town until we came to a bank. Outside of the bank, there were two benches that faced each other. It appeared to be a common spot where a lot of the homeless and "shadier" people gather and hang out. Adam spoke to a middle-aged man named Jason sitting on the bench and said (pointing to me), "I picked her up from The Horseshoe last night." Jason looked puzzled and asked Adam, "How do you know about The Horseshoe?" Adam replied, "She's my job." I also heard Jason respond very quietly, "Don't do it, man. Don't kill her."
I still speculate on their dialogue to this day. I'm still unsure if it was something they had rehearsed to strike fear into me, or if Adam was supposed to kill me the previous night. There's so much I don't know that I start driving myself a little crazy running through all of the possibilities.
2.How did you first meet your online boyfriend? What sites/apps? How did you and your online boyfriend communicate before you met? Did you send each other pictures or videos of each other while he was still trying to win you over? Any evidence on your phone or computer or social media? Lots of that leaves a digital paper trail useful for forensics.
I met my online boyfriend through a Pokemon Facebook Group and several different Pokémon Group Chats also on Facebook. He was really pushing for me to download Snapchat and talk to him on there, but my phone didn't have enough storage to get it. (I also found out that conversations and activity slowly over time on Snapchat get erased automatically, so I could see why he would prefer Snapchat over Facebook).
Yes, him and I sent several pictures to each other while we were seeing each other. I had to deactivate my old FB account because my boyfriend had access into my emails thus being able to have full range over my FB account. I found out he kept me logged in on a separate browser on his phone while I was missing, too.
3.Did you not have a job/school/etc going on at the time you decided to travel to Lincoln?
I was unemployed when I ventured down to Nebraska with my boyfriend. I hit a pretty bad depression, quit my job, and stopped attending courses at my college right before I had met my boyfriend and started dating him.
4.How did you travel to Lincoln, Nebraska? How did you travel back home when you escaped? What belongingings did you take with you and take back? Duffel bags? Suitcases? Purses?
my boyfriend's mother had purchased two one-way GreyHound tickets for both of us. (I also have the screenshot of the receipt saved on my flashdrive)
While traveling back home from Nebraska to Washington State, (I shit you not) I hitchhiked and walked. I was still with the transient during my entire journey up until I made it back home. My family was aware I was going to be arriving, and they worked together to help separate me from the transient in our front yard.
I only took a backpack and my purse with me to Nebraska. I had maybe three pairs of clothing, my photo ID, some make-up, and my Nintendo 3DS with me. By the time I made it home, I had lost every single one of my belongings and had completely different clothes and bags. (I had no choice in what I could wear. The transient, Adam, picked my outfits and had me wearing some pretty ridiculous clothes. He was trying to humiliate me and break me down)
The choice to leave with my boyfriend wasn't exactly planned. I had previously tried to back out of going with him, but my boyfriend kept begging me to go with him and said he didn't want to ride the bus alone without me (and a bunch of other stupid excuses to make me feel more compelled/guilted into going with him.)
5.Were your friends, family, etc worried that you were missing? My family was very worried about me, but all of my friends over social media were very confused because [S] had access to my Facebook account, and him and a lot of his friends were able to cause a lot of confusion and make everyone second guess my disappearance.
6.When you arrived at the trap house, how did they "catch" you and keep you from leaving? How many bad guys (or bad gals) were there in the operation? Like were they guarding the doors 24/7? Were there any weapons of any kind?
I didn't realize it at the time, but I later found out there were people watching us from outside of the apartment incase we decided to wander off. (The transient I travelled with mentioned he watched me from the apartment for a few days and even went as far to describe the clothing I was wearing, and what I was doing when I would step outside for a cigarette. He said he watched me cry on the steps... which I did do).
Everyone seemed really nice and friendly towards me and the other girls that we honestly didn't suspect any sort of foul play in the beginning. We were always given drugs and were more focused on getting fucked up and partying.
There weren't any visible weapons that I was able to see while I was at the trap house, but one of the girls showed me her bruises from one of the men hitting her. Physical abuse progressively became more common the longer I was there. I was starting to see how controlling the men were. I stupidly intervened a lot and helped the girls regain some confidence and independence which really pissed off a lot of the guys there because I was essentially, "Untraining" the other girls.
It's hard to give an exact number with how many of the "bad guys" were there because people always seemed to come and go regularly. There were several drug deals taking place all of the time in there too. I'd say at the very least, there were always six guys there watching all of us at a given time..
I recall walking with the girls across the street to go to the gas station one time, and every single guy had to come outside and keep an eye on us. And they eventually entered the gas station to come get us because they felt we were, "taking too long" and needed to hurry up (We weren't even in the store for more than 5 minutes already checking out).
I also remember getting mad at my boyfriend, so I decided to hide from him on a back staircase that lead to the apartment's laundry room. We could still chat using our 3DS's, and I remember him sending several messages to me saying, things like, "Where tf are you?" "Where the hell did you go?" I watched him from a window, and he circled around the apartment complex several times looking for me (I was still oblivious to the real danger that I was actually in, so I found it really funny at the time when he couldn't find me).
7.When you went to The Fat Toad bar, what kept you from communicating that you were captive to another person, either from someone inside the bar or those hanging outside or in the area? What kept you from escaping the bar? What kept you from using your phone (or someone else's phone) and calling 911?
8.You say you "woke up next to a transient in an open field the next morning." What happened immediately after you woke up? Honestly, I tried playing it really cool. I have this defense mechanism where instead of showing fear, I laugh and act really calm. I was more grossed out and embarrassed by the transient knowing him and I had slept with each other the previous night. I put my pants back on and helped him roll up his sleeping bag in the morning.
While the transient (Adam) was placing things into his backpack, he pulled out a small glass jar with a white powdery substance inside of it. He told me it was cyanide, and that he was hired to kill me last night, but he liked me, so he was, "Going to keep me around for a while."
He then showed me the black notepad as proof and turned to the page where the trap house's address was located. It messed with me a lot because I was starting to slowly piece some things together. He told me I needed to follow him back into town, and to stay close to him if I wanted to stay alive because he would, "Protect me" and apparently he, "Pulled a lot of strings to get me as his job so he could spare my life."
He then called a taxi from inside a Quiznos. He had me sit outside while he called. Once the taxi arrived, we got in and were driven to a gas station on the outskirts of town. He purchased me a long dress and flip flops and had me change into them in the gas station bathroom. He told me wearing the dress would help us get rides, and I needed to dress like a lady. He then told me that if anyone asks, him and I were on our honeymoon and we had just had an arranged marriage.
I'm not really sure why, but I kept going along with what he said. I was scared, but I refused show it. I was being very compliant and just listened to him.
9.How did you escape? How did you get home? 10.Did any of the girls talk about escaping? Did any other girls escape? 11.How long were you at the trap house? Was it a regular house? How many rooms? Where did all the girls sleep? How were you guys fed? What about clothing? What about next door neighbors and suspicion? 12.May we have the address of the trap house?** 13.What was turnover like, meaning how often would new girls come in and how long would they stay, and how often would they leave forever? How many girls total? 14.Did you or any of the other girls get paid? 15.Did they call you and the other girls by their real names or nicknames? 16.Does anyone have your home address or phone number or any other way to stalk you? What kept any of the girls from lying just to protect themselves? 17.How did you manage to get the black notepad and the Zip-Loc bag and other stuff that belonged to the ring people? 18.Who lived at the trap house? Who owns it?
ThinCrust ago
@Flaaffy are you still around?
Flaaffy ago
Yes. I am taking notes, answering private messages, and starting to go through and finish answering everyone's questions.
I've been on a road trip and wasn't able to charge my phone, but I have returned and plan to answer everyone's questions.
Flaaffy ago
[Edited to remove names]
Chad_Stethoscope ago
Archived these two pages. http://archive.is/LIa7V http://archive.is/JuIQL
Remember to archive and screenshot everything. Backups are needed when people try to cover up their trail or go dark/private like the Comet Ping Pong cohorts' Instagram.
William's interests are: "Satan"
And he lists "Wrestling" under athletics. There are many reports involving wrestling and molestation.
Certainly not proof of anything but it is circumstantial evidence lending further legitimacy and pointing towards confirmation.
z_impaler ago
Seems like if folks want to really be a part of helping, a way to help people like OP needs to be to put in place systems to #1) Protect the person coming forward. #2) Come up with a protocol for someone like OP to be able to be brought into safety with some sort of multi-person-checks&balances approach. I don't have the answers. I DO think that people need to understand that this sort of sub brings with it a level of responsibility that we need to be ready to handle.
OP. I would suggest going dark at this point. Do not access this site under the same name, using the same computer or accessing it frm the same location from where you made this post. (Not sure where you made this post but unless you used several proxies, you need to assume that you are not safe.)
Gorillion ago
Sounds like she saved herself, was able to get hold of evidence and important information, handed it over, and that was the end of it. Not even any attempt to create an awareness campaign. Fucking useless.
People, you're on your own. Never count on the cops coming to help you. Or even after the fact, unless there's news cameras all over it.
notdivided ago
amen
Flaaffy ago
Hey, its okay. I understand you are asking for clarification and I'm perfectly okay with answering your questions. Based on your questions, it looks like some people are being mixed up (without any names or descriptions given to each person, I can see why there would be some confusion).
1) The scene is painted a bit differently in both my posts because I chose to focus on different parts while describing it.
There was a party being held the night the Pizza delivery guy showed up (after his shift).
Prior to him coming, all of the girls were given Klonopin pills to snort (The guys there referred to them as 'K-pins'). We were also given a lot of alcohol and encouraged to get pretty wasted.
Once the delivery man came into the traphouse, a lot of men asked who he was, and he replied, "I'm [EDITED]!" (This is his real nickname. Short for [EDITED]). When he was asked how he knew [EDITED], he replied back, "We work together."
He then obtained other girls contact information, and obtained mine last.
He did abruptly leave once I handed him back his notepad, and I didn't see him the rest of the night.
2) I never mentioned they both worked at Piezano's because I didn't see the relevance in giving that information about 3 months ago. Since all of this pizzagate stuff recently surfaced, suddenly making that connection with my trafficking experience compelled me to make this post.
3) The pizza delivery guy and the transient who I was forced to travel after being roofied at the bar are two separate people.
4) I'm not really sure why I left out the part about the Horseshoe sex ring name at the time. I don't really have an answer for this question. I was typing that OffMyChest post very fast as a way to vent, and I guess I just decided not to mention it.
5) I am not fearful using the transients name on Reddit or on here. The man I was given to is named [EDITED]. His nickname is Tinker. He has blue facial tattoos. I can provide pictures if you would like. I believe his mug shots now show up at the very top of Google Images when searched. This only recently happened in the last few months.
Don't worry I don't hate you lol.
marcrapp ago
agreed
NakatomiBaby ago
I think your state's AG would be able to help as well. Be careful!!!
nnfx ago
Try to think like a sardistic fuck then you understand. They can use "soon you are an adult woman" implying to treat her different/ worse afterwards to scare her even more. Basicly they would just use that 18 birthday as another tool of sardism. Making fun of the laws and moral views of normal people.
tallorder ago
Don't forget Dyncorp/Halliburton (and the UN).
9217 ago
Agree
Flaaffy ago
The FBI contacted me and only asked me a few questions about the transient I was forced to travel with.
I have since then tried calling back the phone number they reached me at only to find the number no longer works.
Gorillion ago
Honestly sounds like a mop-up job. Likely weren't FBI, but a fixer crew.
With any luck they killed the guys who lured you into the initial trap. Then went after the guy who let you get away.
crazy_eyes ago
Have you tried to contact the DA where you left the evidence?
Flaaffy ago
I turned over the evidence a few days after July 20th of this year (I returned home on that day).
Nawz157 ago
John and Jamie Root is the manager of Fat Toad whom also manages an Barcade in Lincoln as well. ( google john root lincoln ne for pdf) > Lrjoysticksarcadebar.pdf Not to mention a 3rd place called Mix also in Lincoln.
According to above pdf the owner is a Richard Strope. These businesses are under a cherries inc > http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Cherries-Inc-402-477-2579. Now we know what cherries could mean. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=Cherry&=true And the other name these businesses are under is y a m s inc. Yams > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=YAM
Nicefind ago
Repost:
questionable shit here guys: Piezano's Facebook Page, Lincoln Nebraska
(REMEMBER DON'T POST ANYTHING ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES! DON'T LET THEM KNOW WE KNOW)
Facebook all photos page
http://archive.fo/9QvNz
"kids" drawing
http://archive.fo/k03QQ
common pizza hat image http://archive.fo/NjoXc
possible child identities https://archive.fo/o9Wqw
[fuck...] spirals triangles https://archive.fo/ENRAV
presumed innocent employees https://archive.fo/ca1W7
wtf SM shit https://archive.fo/q3fH5
more doodles https://archive.fo/2TNbp
doodle with possible identity https://archive.fo/3DI7K
"hot deals" section of website? https://archive.fo/VzoDs https://archive.fo/KxknO
9217 ago
Here is a post exploring links between FRANKLIN, FINDERS AND DUROUX - BASICALLY IMPLICATES AMERICAN MILITARY & CIA
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1431396
9217 ago
Thank you for your bravery in speaking out.
henrimatisse ago
you could have something useful here. be careful
throwitaway20172017 ago
Piezanos was the name of a calzone place on the Seinfeld show. Could he also be a trafficker? Just coincidence?
smoothassilk ago
larp
dblthnk ago
Thank you for coming forward and thank the good things up above that you're safe.
What kind's of things did you have to do? When did you first realize that something just wasn't quite right about your situation?
sixgorillion ago
I hope you have since started carrying a firearm at all times? If not you need to, and remember to practice a lot.
pzag8t3 ago
Interesting subliminal message in pieZano's website "Real Pizza, Real People" http://www.mypiezanos.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/minnowproject/images/1.png
FezWhatley ago
Thanks for being strong enough to share this
Scoundrel ago
You're f'n awesome if this is real.
whorsquini ago
Yeah, Boys Town came to my mind right when I saw Nebraska. Also, yes, go to law enforcement. Don't put your name down.
KnowThyself ago
with the info she would have it would be obvious who she is. I would say the best thing would be if she somehow had a family connection with a police officer to give it to them. That way you know you have someone on your side.
Gumpgump ago
Good-sounding idea meant well but going to the police did nothing for the Hampstead children, Hollie Greig, Melanie Shaw, Cathy O Brien, David Shurter and all the others,,,,
KnowThyself ago
I agree with what you are saying, but here is my point.
Most police officers are not evil people looking to cover this stuff up. The problem is when this type of information reaches higher in the food chain and there is an effort to obfuscate. Lower level officers are probably kept out of the loop, and don't want to go digging for fear of pissing off a superior. BUT, what if the person submitting the info is the officer's niece, or granddaughter, or lifelong friend's daughter? Then there is a personal interest in knowing what comes of that information. The officer is more likely to try to stay in the loop and suspect a cover up when things start to get weird. I'm not saying a cover up wouldn't still happen, but it would at least put a few layers of protection in there.
Gumpgump ago
True. It's not black and white. I made it sound a bit that way - sorry. And yes, there are loads of good cops, Let's hope some of them start talking - I know a man who did, It didn't help his income but it sure helped his sense of personal rectitude and honour and he is widely loved and respected and honoured for doing the right thing. And he would NEVER have had it any other way......sleep at night and all that.
Others are less fortunate/flexible due to personal circumstances So thank you for making that point.
LionParty ago
http://archive.is/K6gt4 -- Archive of post // http://archive.is/qGe8b -- Archive of user profile
Wtfreddit ago
12 arrested in Nebraska for sex trafficking related crimes - KETV.com Are any of those involved connected to this?
I'm sorry you had to go through that, it must be very painful. Thank you for sharing your story though as I'm sure at the very least it will give us some insight on these things work.
UglyTruth ago
@Flaaffy I'd recommend you set up a deadman's switch ASAP, it's your only leverage if the worst case scenario happens. First step is to get your story down in writing, take it to a notary and swear an oath that it's true. Make copies of the affadiavit and give them to people you trust with instructions to publish on social media (especially voat.co) if they don't have proof of life from you every week or as convenient. The value of the affidavit to you depends on it containing information that can be used to identify suspects, so the more detail the better.
Also it would be wise to read up on the Franklin scandal if you haven't already done so.
Wellwerefucked ago
Yessssss. This! I commented below saying get a file with all these details in the hands of many so that theres insurance on what she knows & has found.
UglyTruth ago
By swearing an oath she can establish a web of trust for protection.
UlexiteVision ago
piezanos website looks extremely subliminal...any one who has been able to see highly subliminal images before will recognize this.. it is evident by the extensive shading in the background. havent made anything out yet and we probably wont be able to
totorox ago
OP that is the course of action I'd find wiser you to take than the one you just did revealing the gist of everything and endangering yourself: giving clues. Anonymously. Protect yourself at all costs. Just give clues to the research party, like a name, a connection, etc.
And I mean you doing nothing more than giving clues from a safe distance. No personal details, no personal story even, just leading the searching party in the right direction. Offering to enter into personal contact like you did is even riskier for your safety.
UncookedSpirit ago
I was drugged and sexually abused and photographed (the video game Life Is Strange is DEEPLY, DISTURBINGLY close to my experience). I didn't even know what had happened to me until photos were shown to me months after the fact. And then I went into shock and did not consciously think of it again after that day for years, until my abuser was elected to public office and got a glowing hagiography in the New York Times. After years of suffering and as I was finally starting to recover, I was shocked back into trauma by seeing my abusers face again, smiling and in full color, in the shit rag that covered up the Holomodor for fifty years. So this is awfully personal for a lot of us. I thought and still think that if I had gone alone to authorities, it would have gotten worse for me. I don't know what other photos they had that made me look bad. I think we may only have safety in MASSIVE numbers.
pitenius ago
If the abuser is dead, why not dox? At least a PM?
UncookedSpirit ago
The statue of limitations is up and this person is rich and connected with an Ivy League degree and who knows what connections.
pitenius ago
So... "personal safety" and "lack of incentive"? Here's my interest: if it's you, there's others. I've never known a pervert to mess up just that one time. I was hoping to see if there are rumors. I assumed the "hagiography" was an obit.
9217 ago
Thank you for sharing, I am so sorry you experienced this
MakeAmericaDankAgain ago
Damn. Would you mind sharing the fucker's name?
jchoji ago
Thank you for sharing. We should perhaps start a timeline with statements from victims? Just reading your paragraph made me cry, you are right about the power in numbers thing. FUCK THE NY TIMES!!!
notdivided ago
yeah this is what it has taken in other countries.
MAGABoomer ago
Good on you for getting away. I have a friend who is actually from a very famous-name family...who was trafficked. They got her on drugs. Thankfully you got away before they could get you hooked.
ANYTHING you could share will be useful, especially names we could link to other circles. However, your safety is important. Have you gone to LE? If so, was their response (((YAWN)))? Or have you been too frightened to go?
Also speaking out and letting other girls know that the person on the other end is probably not who they say they are could help prevent others from getting involved.
What in particular about this guy or your own circumstances, made you fall for his story?
thicktail1730947 ago
I hope you copied the evidence for archival purposes.
shortymcbossypants ago
What is up with the tie in to Nebraska? Ok we know there are at least two different human trafficking/pedophilia rings in Nebraska, as well as Lady Gaga made a video talking about a guy named "Nebraska" and has a scene where she is being waterboarded in the video.
shortymcbossypants ago
Crap I know I'm replying to my own comments but I just realized what might be tying into all of these places. Ok, there is nothing really of substance in Nebraska except for large immigrant/migrant worker communities. I just realized this crap! I'm from an area in the South where there is a large immigrant/migrant worker community, and there is all sorts of drugs, prostitution, and things of that nature. I may be tinfoil here in my thinking but who did Hillary Clinton and the rest of these elites pander to during the election? Hispanics and Immigrant communities. Shit on a stick I can't believe I never thought of this. I've been in restaurant work most of my life, and know of more Mexicans working in Pizza places and restaurants in general. Anthony Bourdain said it best, every chef has a little bit of Mexican and Chinese in them.
ThrowThisAwayPi ago
My thinking goes along the same lines as yours. Hillary and Obama both are not only oblivious to the illegals crossing the border, but they are actively encouraging it. I live in Texas so it is up close and personal for me. The one thing I'm very concerned about is the number of unaccompanied minors showing up at processing stations. Many times, these kids have no one in the US at all. Other times, they have family members they are shipped off to. Now, WHY would Obama and Hillary want to allow unaccompanied CHILDREN to cross the border - as dangerous as it is. Coyotes regularly leave kids and women to die in the wilderness. There are bodies found on a daily basis out here. I worry about and pray for the kids that actually make it to a processing station. What is happening to these children! Does someone from the perverted "administration" just show up and take off with them.
Throwingtothewolves ago
Yes! From day one I have been extremely concerned for the wellbeing of all of these unaccompanied minors. When near the border in TX I have seen MANY white unmarked buses, with very dark windows headed north. I see them all the way to Chicago. There is a special immigrant rest stop in southern IL.
Do you or anyone you know, know anything about these white buses?
ThrowThisAwayPi ago
I'm pretty sure AJ at Infowars has video and pics of them. He openly talked about them a few years back. Austin is a hell hole anymore. All KINDS of UN & Agenda 2030 crap going on here.
Pepper-theDoctor ago
Buses like this one (article not necessarily related)?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/orlando-shooter-worked-security-company-which-tranports-illegal-immigrants-deep-insi
Throwingtothewolves ago
Well, they are white with dark windows and no markings that is for sure. But I'm talking Greyhound size buses. Not vans.
ThrowThisAwayPi ago
I have no idea about the white buses, however, I have seen UN vehicles in Austin that are all-white. I tweeted a photo of one and got followed for days afterward.
Celticgirlonamission ago
I've seen those in ATX too
ThrowThisAwayPi ago
AJ had done reports on them, too. I bet we could find some video on Infowars. A LOT of people were talking about them back in 2010 and 2011.
Throwingtothewolves ago
Can I see a pic?
ThrowThisAwayPi ago
A pic of what? I;m not the author of the post.
Throwingtothewolves ago
"I tweeted a photo of one and got followed for days afterward."
A pic of the UN vehicle if you still have it.
ThrowThisAwayPi ago
Oh, had NO idea what you were talking about! LOL! I don't have the pic anymore. It was on an old Blackberry I had, it got hacked, I got rid of it and got a new phone. I closed the Twitter account, too. Yeah, that caused some ruffled feathers. I remember other people back then were trying to get photos of those vehicles in Austin, but they were also getting followed, blocked and hacked.
KittenCat ago
Where in southern IL is this located? I live in southern IL, I kind of want to go scope it out.
Throwingtothewolves ago
Not 100% but I know I saw it Northbound. Anna, Metropolis or the closed one On 64 W just W of the Wabash.
I really don't remember exactly where except it was Northbound as I came into IL.
shortymcbossypants ago
Maybe we can watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9YMU0WeBwU to look for clues? In the past few minutes I see scars from what looks like spirit cooking on her legs and an ice cream truck and that is in the first minute or so.
thicktail1730947 ago
Isolated rural areas lack national visibility.
Flaaffy ago
Can you provide me with links/information regarding the two known trafficking rings please?
spidda ago
obvious larping if you didnt go to police first
GrandpaPepe ago
don't know why people are downboating. I'm always suspicious with LARPing. I remember that one Sunday about weonpizza.com had their website in coming soon mode.
UglyTruth ago
Fiona Barnett would probably call you a fuckwit.
"the people involved in this elite paedophile ring included high ranking politicians, police, and judiciary"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3yH9EIPfs (0:55)
channelfadge ago
downvotes for not listening and believing? is that you anita?
Flaaffy ago
I have gone to the police.
PizzaGateDigger ago
Please scan in the names in the original handwriting and upload them to an image hosting site wherever Voater's trust, it changes frequently.
Are there any high profile names in the names & addresses that would be instantly recognized, especially related to politicians or Hollywood?
Flaaffy ago
I wish I had taken a closer look at all of the contact information and names in the Ziploc bag, but I only glanced through the black notepad once I was given the opportunity to go through it.
I became more stunned and went into a bit of shock when I came across my own name, number, and some of the other names from the people back in the trap house.
I flipped through more pages to find the trap house's address I was held at too.
After that I don't really remember what I did, but the notepad and all of the other papers were given to my local police department.
Now I really wish I had taken pictures or tried to look through more of the papers...
Do you know if I am able to take back evidence I turn into the police?
PizzaGateDigger ago
It may not be easy to get it back if it is being held as evidence. Also, since the police will probably allege that you obtained the names illegally, it may be a fight to have it returned. Hopefully there is a Nebraska attorney reading this that will help pro bono to have the black book and bag of names returned to you. Good luck, stay safe.
EndThePizza ago
You should probably get it back if you can. Keep the originals and make copies to give to them, if you decide you want them to have any of the information at all.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
Be careful. I'd wait, lurk/post more (using tor and VPN), and then decide what to do. These are large decisions with extreme consequences. The names of the establishments are more than enough for a lot of people to take it from here. Stay safe. Godspeed.
Spuddlebuns ago
Not saying I doubt one word of this, but both "PieZano's" and "The Fat Toad Pub" check out in Lincoln. Bless you for coming out about this, and countless blessings upon you for escaping yet trying to help others.
u-spez ago
Fat Toad Pub 7/17/2016 I wish there was zero star. One of the employees there ripped the phone out of my hand. When I asked him what he was doing he said "you can't record here" (I wasn't). I apologized and told him I would delete it. When I asked for my phone back he threw it at me and said "get the f*** outside. Never going back. http://archive.is/8b1mu I don't know how to archive the "not recomended" reviews as well.
Nicefind ago
sketchy shit here guys: Piezano's Facebook Page, Lincoln Nebraska
(REMEMBER DON'T POST ANYTHING ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES! DON'T LET THEM KNOW WE KNOW)
Facebook all photos page
http://archive.fo/9QvNz
"kids" drawing
http://archive.fo/k03QQ
common pizza hat image http://archive.fo/NjoXc
possible child identities https://archive.fo/o9Wqw
[fuck...] spirals triangles https://archive.fo/ENRAV
presumed innocent employees https://archive.fo/ca1W7
wtf SM shit https://archive.fo/q3fH5
more doodles https://archive.fo/2TNbp
doodle with possible identity https://archive.fo/3DI7K
"hot deals" section of website? https://archive.fo/VzoDs https://archive.fo/KxknO
freespace ago
Piezano's sign, as seen on Google Street View, is interesting. Not hard to see how it could be hinting at real activity. The image also appears on the website.
piratse ago
Did you go to the police? If not I can't believe you. You say you got evidence, you have emails/messages, you know faces, you know names of places. I need an article that says this was looked into, or proof you went to the cops. If not, I will assume you are a troll. Your post history also doesn't lend me to believe you escaped a giant pedo ring. Why did the guy put a black notebook and a bunch of incriminating evidence in a ziplock bag and just leave it lying around near a transport?
CJJacobs ago
You do understand, I trust, piratse, that if pizzagate has told us anything, it has taught us that many in LAW ENFORCEMENT and the JUSTICE SYSTEM are complicit in this pedophilia and trafficking.
So 'going to them' might not always yield that rapid-fire Superman-like response you are thinking it would.
Please let me know when that sinks in....
piratse ago
1) there is no evidence this is related to pizza gate 2) an investigation, whether it yields arrests or not, brings on scrutiny, which we would use to see if there were connections 3) not everyone in law enforcement is involved in shit like this, as evidence by the MANY people who have been arrested for this 4) go fuck yourself. Let me know when that sinks in.
dannonyme ago
Disagree. FBIAnon specifically said to look into what other business are owned by public officials. I'd be looking into the owners of Piezano's and The Fat Toad.
piratse ago
I don't think you know what the word evidence means.
dannonyme ago
I think you're a shill who hasn't bothered to watch this thread proceed :p
piratse ago
None of this is evidence. Your comment was also about something I posted very early in this thread, sorry I can't see into the future. Again, there is no PROOF in this thread, idiot. Also, calling me a shill proves that you are stupid. Take that garbage back to eddit.
dannonyme ago
If you hate us so much, why did you come here in the first place? You can just as easily ignore what we are doing, as we ignore your drivel. Believe me, with the moronic, self-serving, abusive reception many of us have received when innocently coming into contact with narcissists like yourself, we will be happy to go when this is over. But until then, you are stuck with us. So put your big boy pants on and live with it. xx
CJJacobs ago
Some people being involved in law enforcement
=This bears directly on pizzagate. Please go somewhere else with concern trolling, name-calling and general bad-attitude. These subs are for people who are seriously concerned about the wellbeing of trafficking victims and who want to expose pizzagate in its totality.
totorox ago
The police is in on it; every time you hit high enough on the food chain of evil the enquiry leads nowhere. At most you get a good guy investigator on the case for a while, then it gets taken down.
I wouldnt trust any authority in this pizzagate thing. Seriously. You are the investigator but also the judge, jury and it will have to be made public one way or another or the execution phase will have to be carried out by citizens as well. Hitting at the root of evil in this world is no joking matter, you will have everyone against you but normal, courageous citizens like you. Bet on it. Do not trust anyone especially not based on any authority nor job hat, please.
Check the history of older cases and investigations to give you an idea of what you're dealing with.
MAGABoomer ago
You're kidding right? She did go and as usual nothing happened. This is sex trafficking, not pedophilia.
piratse ago
Yeah.... she literally just said that in a post, responding to me. How the fuck would I know she went to the police? I don't stalk grills on the internet and she literally says to ask her any questions. Fuck off white knight.
MAGABoomer ago
FUCK OFF concern troll. Or the "I don't believe you prove it by exposing yourself troll". She also said a lot in her first post. WTF is wrong in your head to think "going to the police" is actually going to fucking do anything? ESPECIALLY about this. Were you born yesterday? She went, and, as expected by myself, nothing happened.
Glad to hear you don't stalk grills on the Internet. You could get burned.
piratse ago
She said on reddit that the police were actually looking for the guy, so there goes that argument. Do you even know what a concern troll is? Because you are using it wrong. Also, she exposed herself you idiot. On the reddit post she gives names, locations etc. You are seriously a white knight to the highest degree. This is voat nigger, being skeptical is the way it is.
MAGABoomer ago
She said police SAID they were looking for the guy. She also SAID she has heard zero back from police. LOL Skeptical is that what you call it?
Cant_Call_It ago
The girl that posted this in the first place has been answering questions without acting like an ass. The victim is acting way more rational than you.
You are the definition of a white Knight.
MAGABoomer ago
Of course she's answering questions without acting like an ass. The PROVE it crowd is acting like an ass. I had so many fucking assholes DEMANDING that I prove what I saw on Twitter I'm finished being "rational" with your ilk. No asshole is goading me into breaking the law.
Cant_Call_It ago
What fucking law? People being skeptical is not against the law. This is the fucking Internet. You're naive to think people don't bullshit on forums and you are brainwashed if you think people shouldn't ask questions just because the subject is about rape/sex trafficking.
MAGABoomer ago
I am just guessing here...but I think I've been on forums longer than you've been alive. So I know all about bullshit on forums. There is skepticism and there is attack skepticism and I'm very familiar with both.
Cant_Call_It ago
You can't just make up words and be taken seriously. Asking for some form of proof is not "attack skepticism." You just don't like that someone would possibly question if a victim is telling the truth.
Oh. I'm sorry. You're credibility just skyrocketed. I should have thought twice before replying to someone with so much forum experience.
MAGABoomer ago
^ seriously I'm devastated, shattered...torn. You must post a lot with people who feel wounded when you pull this shit.
Cant_Call_It ago
Meanwhile, back at the ranch... how was the person wrong in asking for a little proof?
MAGABoomer ago
Perhaps instead of aggressively shitposting asking..no...demanding proof, why not try "trust but verify" and politely ask for someone to provide verification if they are able. If they are not able, the BTFO there is no rule anywhere that YOU personally have to have yourself mollified by "proof".
I was attacked, badgered and viciously followed around by people DEMANDING I PROVE what I saw on Twitter. Those are either really stupid people, or, perhaps someone with an agenda hoping to badger me into posting something that would get the forum deleted. I don't like that. Not playing. Don't believe me, move along. Same thing happened when I said Trump tweeted me a promise he would jail Hillary. NO Fuckwads, I'm not doxing myself. Believe it or not, move along, keep your fruitless attacks to yourself. It's a waste of letters.
Flaaffy ago
Yes. I have gone to the police. I have given all of my evidence to them.
I also made a much more detailed post on Reddit further explaining my situation and story. My username I used on there is TraffickedEscapist. The more detailed story is on r/offmychest.
(Sorry for referencing Reddit ;-; )
I have spoken with investigators and FBI, but I have not been given any updates on my case.
When I said a transport, I am referring to an actual person. The man I was travelling with I refer to as a transport since he was in the process of transporting me to another destination.
piratse ago
I remain skeptical, but thank you for offering some credibility.
notdivided ago
why is going to the police legitimizing..anyone can make a false claim. #faultylogic
piratse ago
It doesn't legitimize her completely. But with the "evidence" she says she has it would EASILY be enough to open an investigation, and we would have reports of that investigation. It's not faulty logic, it lends credibility, it doesn't PROVE anything.
notdivided ago
you wouldn't have reports of an open investigation.
piratse ago
I mean we would have reports if it was concluded. We would also have news snippits if the pizza place was under investigation. Stop moving the goal post.
notdivided ago
This just isn't necessarily true. Plenty of cases NEVER hit the news. I've seen stranger kidnappings that were never picked up in the news even though they are on the police logs and even went to arraignment. You are making a ton of assumptions about how these cases work. Your goal was credibility, and you made the goal post 'reporting it to police" then moved it to "having reports" and now "news articles." Yet all of these things starts with the same info you have seen here- a victim reporting their experience. My point is that none of these things provide intrinsic credibility- you are just outsourcing your judgment to other entities.
Cant_Call_It ago
Investigations make the news more than solved cases. What the fuck are you talking about?
notdivided ago
we are talking about the reports produced by the investigation. If there is an open investigation or case the police will not give you access to the reports.
Cant_Call_It ago
Well, you might want to let the person you were responding to know that's what you're talking about because I'm pretty sure they meant if an investigation was concluded. Maybe I misread though...
notdivided ago
I hope you have some good support for yourself.
TheRickest_Rick ago
I'm sorry to hear about this. It is absolutely terrible.
I am willing to investigate those names. But first I have to ask how you obtained the evidence you have. Specifics if you could.
Thanks for coming forward.
You may private message me if you'd prefer, but I am very interested in chasing that info.
Flaaffy ago
I will PM you some information that I have.
EndThePizza ago
You have names and you're an eyewitness. Go to law enforcement. We're able to uncover information, but we can't act on it. You already have the information, you need to give it to law enforcement so they can act on it and arrest people, and do it the proper way so that everything is documented correctly. I actually suggest NOT releasing this information publicly, as it could mess up the chances of police being able to gather further proof that could be used in a court of law.
asdfghjkl123456789 ago
We need to get a network of clean law enforcement contacts.
notdivided ago
don't go to law enforcement until you have irrefutable evidence of crimes. Police will botch the case if you're relying on them to build out the evidence. I've been through it personally and seen it happen again and again. Find out if the DA is taking these type of cases (or how many they have declined) it's up to their discretion..no matter how much evidence you have. Ignore the SJWs that insist you must report- they have no idea what the system is really like- go with your instincts, take care of yourself, do what you feel like you need to do for you.
jonnythaiwongy9 ago
^This. Before going to law enforcement, you need strong evidence, and record any interactions with police. When I say strong evidence, just something that means the ring must be investigated. Even if you get a good cop on the phone, they have superiors, and it seems there aren't many top brass who don't play politics and cover for important people rather than protect those they should.
notdivided ago
exactly. everyone is playing a numbers game in their jurisdictions. Easiest way to lower those crime numbers? Don't record them in the first place.
Flaaffy ago
I have turned over my evidence to law enforcement, I even told them specifically what items were relevant to my case (the black notepad), and how it would tie in the transient and connect him back to the traphouse in Lincoln, Nebraska, but I have yet to get an update on my case or see anything actually get done.
It really makes me wonder what the hold up is, although I have a strong feeling it has to do with those higher in power that may help run the sex ring operations... It's incredibly frustrating.
LionParty ago
Do you have any other copies of the evidence? If so archive them online.
MAGABoomer ago
How about an interview with David Seaman?
Flaaffy ago
How do I do that? o: I wouldn't mind doing an interview.
MAGABoomer ago
If you are on gab.ai, look for David Seaman verified account. Also search his name on this sub and watch his videos. Then decide if he is someone you might want to talk to. If the story isn't right for him, maybe he can steer you in the right direction!
Flaaffy ago
I joined the website, but I was placed on a two week waiting list to fully access the website.
It'll be worth the wait. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction! (:
MAGABoomer ago
Good luck. I joined this week but haven't heard how long to get in. Get your story out there!
notdivided ago
i'm sorry this is your experience! Unfortunately no news is not usually good news when you are waiting for them to say they are moving on it. Don't hesistate to bug them if you want to, you deserve to know what they are doing to further your case.
If you have someone who can be your unwavering advocate, call every day, call your state reps, threaten to take it to the news etc this can have an effect in them picking up the case but it is INCREDIBLY tiresome and may not be the best course of action for you to take on personally when you probably need time to heal and take care of yourself. Not to mention it doesn't change the fact that the sentences in these cases are a pittance and you may spend more years pursuing justice than the years in punishment for the offenders.
Amyamy ago
what about going to the Nebraska Bureau of Investigations or the FBI instead of local police?
notdivided ago
good question. I don't have personal experience with federal cases so I cannot say one way or the other. I really hope it would be better. Just understand once you have someone else on the case (FBI or police) they may consider any personal investigating interference. This means you need to trust them to do a good job investigating or arrive with enough compelling evidence in hand to give you a fail safe if they don't do a good job. I've literally seen video surveillance disappear because police missed deadlines for requesting it when they had ample time and knew it was the only physical evidence- if the victim had collected the evidence herself (and the business at the time was willing to give it to her) then her case would have had legs, as it was the surveillance was automatically deleted over 2 weeks after the crime was reported. I've also seen DA's decline cases for discretion on the basis of consent which would have any reasonable person's stomach turn (and could be relevant to this situation) i.e. if you 'consent' to be trafficked now you are considered as voluntarily working with a trafficking ring and possibly committing acts of prostitution. If you are in the car when they pick up another girl now you may be considered an accomplice. The system effectively silences trafficking victims.
Amyamy ago
oh my God, there is so much red tape and loopholes and just plain protecting criminals... it makes my stomach turn too. our system is backwards.
Flaaffy ago
....You know... I never thought of that. ._.
Amyamy ago
Flaaffy, since your experience so far with local PD hasn't turned into anything, it is something you should at least consider. But read what notdivided wrote- you can't do personal investigating once it is turned over. Perhaps you should find a lawyer and go from there.
notdivided ago
A lawyer can help especially with pursuing a civil suit (usually a lower standard of evidence is required than criminal) if they dig up enough evidence it can reignite a criminal suit it just all depends. It's tough to find lawyers to take these types of cases though.
Flaaffy ago
Yes, actually. I can't even begin to tell you how many countless hours I have been looking for the other girls online.
Unfortunately, during my travelling with the transient, once he found out I became a missing person on a national level, I was forced to call in and say specifically, "I am not missing. I am over the age of 18 and chose to leave on my own accord. Please call off my search."
I was coached and trained to say very specific phrases in case I was questioned by police.
I'm assuming the other girls must have had similar experiences because there is absolitely no trace of them anywhere. Not even on social media. It's like they have been completely erased and just vanished.
It gets to me a lot because I became pretty close with the other girls and felt like we bonded and grew close with each other before we were forced to go our separate ways.
totorox ago
It's not too hard to scrub records off the web, it just takes manpower and resources. Many news stories disappear like that, or are edited.
Naalu ago
How old were you? Were there some high profile individuals involved? In what country did this take form? Was there physical abuse? Was there group abuse? Was there underage children involved? Was there filming involved?
Flaaffy ago
I was 24 when this happened. I'm 25 now.
I recently returned home 4 months ago, so this was pretty recent in my opinion.
I'm not sure what you mean by high profiles, but there were a lot of people involved in luring me out to Nebraska. They were very slick about the whole thing.
They didn't communicate much over texting or social media, but one lady that I met (my online boyfriend's mother, apparently), immediately purchased herself a plane ticket and flew to Nebraska to meet with the others at the Piezano's restaurant before I had even left for Nebraska.
This took place in the United States.
And yes, there was a lot of physical abuse. Lots of punching, choking, death threats, showing off their torture tools to me and explaining how they would use them on me, etc.
There wasn't group abuse. I was always physically abused by one individual at a time.
One girl at the trap house was 17, and many of the men in the house kept bringing up the fact that she was almost 18, and they were really excited over it.
Aside from that, the transient would frequently rape me and say how badly he wanted me to become pregnant and provide him with a daughter. He also said he would start molesting the child and showing her sexual pleasure from birth, and as she would grow and age, she would eventually be able to repeat the molestation and sexual acts back on him and I. (His words... Not mine).
Regarding the filming, the transient kept pushing for me getting filmed being screwed by dogs and horses. He said the filming would take place somewhere in Montana, but I was able to get away from him before any filming could take place.
He also kept telling me how fun it was to be locked in a cage, and he brought this up on a daily basis trying to make it more acceptable and okay to me.
Megaptera ago
Went to UNL and heard of a few people getting drugged at The Fat Toad. You said you were lured down there, are you from elsewhere in Nebraska or out of state? It's been a while since I lived there but if you have any questions for a Nebraskan I was born and raised there.
Flaaffy ago
I am originally from Washington State. What is UNL?
Did you hear about people being drugged at the Fat Toad from the victims themselves, or just random rumors from people who weren't involved in the drugging? (to your knowledge).
While living in Nebraska, did you hear a lot about kidnappings/people going missing/ human trafficking?
justiceforever ago
Holy shit
sentryseven ago
You're a courageous woman to come forward. I hope you are finding the help needed to get through this traumatic event. You have my support for what it's worth.
jchoji ago
My heart goes out to you. I am so glad you are here and are able to share your story and articulate it so well. I will do some digging, as I am sure many others will be here. Feel free to inbox if you want to talk more?
0110110101100101 ago
Why would that matter to them? Seems like 17 would be worth more than 18 in that world.
jchoji ago
Perhaps a celebration? They love that shit.
notdivided ago
prob running a massage parlor or somewhere else that requires 18+
Wellwerefucked ago
Thank you for your bravery in coming forward, this is going to be massive in the #pizzagate case & you may even start a trend in others coming forward who may be lurking & hoping for justice. Be interesting to know what best to do with all that information you have, i would suggest making a computer file full of the names and detials and making it (safely) available to anyone putting together all our collective Voat efforts because surely some people are!
NoStoneUnturned ago
I'm so sorry to hear about your experience, but speaking out like this could get you some justice. Thank you for coming forward with this! There are some incredibly talented people here who could likely find use for the phone numbers.
TheGettysburgAddress ago
What I want to see is a "solid" list of human trafficking/pedophile code words, other than the FBI Fact Sheet and civilian investigators we really have nothing.
nnfx ago
Cheese for cp has been confirmed from darkweb searches. Also map for semen or bodyfluids has been confirmed I think. We have enough. I mean we don't have and probably can't have 100% proof for everything, but I think the combined evidence alone here on vote is more than enough to speak about proof. (pizzagate at all, not only the codewords.)
If you don't feel that way you probably just haven't seen all evidence we have here.
spez_dispenser ago
Get yourself a tor browser and a vpn service and check the onions for yourself. This isn't the type of info you'll see in the googlesphere.
Also, check out what Andrew Kline, the alleged owner of Besta Pizza has to say on the matter.
http://www.ungift.org/docs/ungift/pdf/vf/traffickerworkshop/differentiating.pdf
citizen444 ago
Andrew Kline is the owner of Besta ???
spez_dispenser ago
Likely. But it could be another Andrew Kline. A lot of people share the same name.
nnfx ago
Pretty sure people confirmed it's the same one.
LineDriveToTheFace ago
I remember reading a few weeks ago that the DOJ Kline was a different man than the owner of Besta, but that could have been disinfo because I never heard anything else about it.
Throwingtothewolves ago
I want to know what he says but I DO NOT want to click that link.
MAGABoomer ago
Do you also want "solid proof" the earth is round and the moon is real? How much more do you need? Go to the DW yourself and see the codes for yourself.