The fact that @puttitout banned aged based purely on a brigaded request thread by people who themselves are spammers (and unlike aged their 'spam' wasn't even relevant to the subverse).
Like it's very hard to feel sympathy for someone like /u/aged, but this uneven enforcement is ridiculous, why is /u/theoldones not banned when he spammed /v/gaming constantly with self posts reqursting /u/aged to be banned? Are these relevant to gaming but lewd fanart of adult female game characters is not?
If puttitout can give an explanation of which rule was broken I'd be ok with it, but as it stands "im a dictator lmao" is not an excuse to ban a user.
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PuttItOut ago
Yup, I banned him and I stand by it.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
Which rule did he violate?
PuttItOut ago
Spam.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
How was anything he posted 'spam'? it was A. relevant to the subverse, and B. didn't violate any rules, and C. wasn't for commercial gain.
Are unpopular posts now considered spam?
fuckingmockies ago
If you posted pictures of girls fucking various fruits and vegetables, do you think it would be on topic to post it to v/JustGrowIt?
Broc_Lia ago
I don't think that's equivalent, but no it wouldn't be.
fuckingmockies ago
Why wouldn't it be equivalent? Vegetables are involved.
Broc_Lia ago
Games and game art often involve women in suggestive poses and outfits. Cooking doesn't typically involve fucking vegetables. If it does then I've been doing it wrong this whole time.
wylan ago
Quite the non sequitur you have here.
fuckingmockies ago
Apparently you don't know what a non sequitur is. People have been annoyed at aged for post porn in a gaming sub. Others claim it's on topic because the porn depicts video game characters. I made the analogy that porn would likely not be tolerated in a sub dedicated to gardening - even if the porn involved produce.
What part of that is a non sequitur to you? You might need to go to dictionary.com and remind yourself of what it is.
wylan ago
My mistake. I was actually wanting to use false equivalency as the logical fallacy of the statement.
fuckingmockies ago
Not every analogy is a false equivalency, though. Which part of it do you object to? If pornographic depictions of video game characters is appropriate for v/gaming, then surely pornographic depictions of vegetables is appropriate for v/JustGrowIt?
PuttItOut ago
This is ridiculous, and you know this.
Aged has been a complaint since the beginning of time. His contributions are not received well and off topic. v/Gaming is a system sub and I get the call on it.
17485281? ago
His posts were gaming characters. No different then someone submitting videos of someone doing their own arrangements of video game music. They were on topic.
And now we are getting calls to ban all gaming art, all "porn". https://voat.co/v/gaming/3104737
The rules they are clamouring for, means I can not submit this image to highlight DMC5 censorship.
The problem is you made the call, calling it spam. You now are saying aged was disruptive, was a complaint, and want the sub have a new rule "Because we do need to work to define a new rule about people who disrupt things on purpose."
frenemy ago
anything from the game skullgirls would be an insta ban.
Obrez ago
You get the concern though right? His content is technically gaming related even if they are basically all characters from obscure weeb games. Most of the time he's getting down-voted into the dirt because while the content isn't breaking sidebar rules users on v/gaming don't want inane degenerate R34 content shitting up the sub.
So is ~6-7 posts per day Spam? Even if it's organically slid by the community as intended? I get the feeling you are going to say "yes" but if that's the rule then you should be looking at other subs under this criteria because other influences and autists are getting away with a similar volume of posts. (I personally would love to see single day over day anon ID's and consistent in thread anon IDs so we can spot spam/subversion on anon subs.)
The concern is because people want almost 0 mod/admin action because precedents get set and shit unwinds that way. If there were a more specific rule he were banned for violating like "no low effort ecchi/porn submissions" I don't think folks would complain, maybe semantically about being banned for a rule instituted post factum but only for that reason not because they don't like the rule.
To clarify I don't think OP or other people concerned here support @aged, we don't like his "content", we just want to see him banned for something that is a clear violation and most of us really don't like theoldones because I know he's harassed OP and I both in the past and many others; he smacks of somebody trying to curry mod or admin favor for personal gain or to sate his power fantasy and while I don't think anything deeper is going on he's about as well like as aged for users who know him and his appearance of involvement here is putting sand in people's cunts.
TL;DR make a rule banning low effort ecchi/porn submissions on v/gaming, which means if it's not your art, your cosplay, your OC, or topical to current events it's low effort, an autist like aged would make a post or 6 breaking said rule and get banned.
frenemy ago
oh my god. here's were the sanity went.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
Agree 100%
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
No, it's not. Freedom of Speech is never ridiculous. Bans for non-rule breaking content are not a laughing matter.
so what? if he didn't break a rule then it doesn't matter.
They were absolutely on-topic, them being not "well received" is not a justification for a ban? surely users can police their own content?
And I can call you out on uneven rule enforcement.
You cannot ban someone for violating unposted rules, this is redditry.
If the rules were appended to classify "fanart" posts as off-topic and then aged was banned AFTER the rule was posted then I wouldn't have a problem with this, but as it stands you're banning a user who did not violate any rules.
PuttItOut ago
I'll think about it. I'll at least do that.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
That's all I'm asking, we can't ban users just because we hate them.
if the rules were changed and he was banned for a violation after they were changed then I would have zero problems.
PuttItOut ago
My only counter to this is that it's ridiculous to post a list of everything that is/isn't against the rules. It's an endless list, much like Linux accepting the COC, now everything technically is or isn't against the rules depending on which way you argue it.
I refuse to play this game.
There is a common sense baseline that can't be ignored and to which my decision was made. That's the best I can explain it right now.
Wahaha ago
If you don't want to play the rule game, then don't touch the ban hammer. They go hand in hand. I agree the rule game is ridiculous, but I disagree that you should ban people just because you feel like it. There is no such thing as common sense in this world. It's common sense that six million Jews died in an event called the holocaust. That's what common sense is. Stuff you think everyone must believe. And Voat is the best example that this line of thinking is bullshit. So citing common sense on Voat won't necessarily find people agreeing with you.
Itty-bitty_Tity-trap ago
Make it so blocking people hides there posts
PuttItOut ago
Yeah, we have this planned but in a pretty cool way.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
I understand this, but the only rule he can be argued to have broken is rule #1, but even then that's not true because his posts were related to gaming.
Well I hate him, and I really hate that you faggots are forcing me to defend him on principle.
PuttItOut ago
Lol, we are all fighting over someone neither of us prefers.
And it's by design if you ask me. People crave attention.
But I see your point about slippery slope. But I did ban him for spam... because no one seemed to want it.
Wahaha ago
Didn't you notice the upvoats on his posts? Those weren't alts. I like his stuff. If everyone hated his posts they would just get buried and we wouldn't have this conversation. You just listened to a loud, obnoxious minority. Just like all those corporations caving in to feminism.
Itty-bitty_Tity-trap ago
Look at theoldones post history for ffs. He literally goes onto v/loli to tell them to kill themselves. This is nothing but a small group of people bandwagoning on an easy target.
It doesn't matter whether you like someone or not, let them have there say.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
Ain't that the truth. I really don't like arguing with you, despite us greatly disagreeing on this situation I've had great respect for you in the past.
It really sucks because I don't think you'd go down the slippery slope, I still have too much respect for you to think that. But I thought the same thing about reddit 6 years ago and it got bad FAST.
I really don't like having to defend people I hate against people I like out of principle.
theoldones ago
you want this sub, the mainline gaming sub, to be instead v/loli
how about fucking no.
how about you go jack off somewhere else.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
No, all I want is for the rules to be changed to ban a style of post BEFORE a user is banned for breaking the non-existent rule.
theoldones ago
BULLSHIT
if that's what happened, you'd be hating that too.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
So apparently you think you known me better than I know myself, you fucking faggot.
All I want is for shit to be done fairly, once you allow a little bit of reddit-moderation then you eventually allow all of it. I don't want voat to turn into reddit in 5 years.
If the rules are changed to ban someone then they have to be banned AFTER the rule is changed, not before.
Itty-bitty_Tity-trap ago
If you really hated loli you wouldn't be going on the sub telling people to kill themselves, you would have blocked it
Obrez ago
You probably just got on the cunts new shitlist here's what to expect: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043427
frenemy ago
i'm on his shit list, but at least he doesn't think i'm a bot. talk about annoying.
theoldones ago
"unpopular"
you sick fucks were jacking off in public to loli porn and acted shocked the gaming sub sometimes seemed dead.
stop doing this shit in public.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
Please continue with your stawman.
I personally downvoated most of ageds posts because I didn't like them, but you can't ban someone for making unpopualr posts when they explicitly do not violate the rules.
theoldones ago
spam rule. that's what he broke.
if he wasnt spamming, why was there so many posts for you to downvote.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
explain.
that's terrible logic, if anyone who posts a lot is a spammer than a lot of voat should be banned.
theoldones ago
were the 6+ spam uploads of underage "fanart" not a tipoff?
puttitout just told you directly i had no involvement on his decision making. the fact you're still directing hate at me sort of shows your hand here.