First off, I need to say that I know I’ve let a lot of you down (if not all). I know I’ve not met your expectations of an admin or a leader. I have no excuses as even I feel this way about myself. I won’t make attempts for empathy, I will only acknowledge the truth, and it is such.
Life is full of surprises. You can be rich one minute and living out of your car the next. You can be healthy one year and a regular in the doctor’s office the following. You can have life figured out only to discover you know nothing in the end. The only constant in life is change.
My life is not the same it was when I first met @Atko and started working on Voat. I have much less time, I have a bit less fight in me (getting old does this), I have a bit more struggle in life. These life changes have forced me to put Voat on the back burner (which hurts me).
Let’s get real
When it comes to “Free Speech” sites, I once believed that people cared enough about the value of free speech to make “clone” sites like Voat (or gab) successful. I’ve come to realize, and have said before, that this single factor isn’t enough. People simply do not value this right enough to make a “clone” successful.
You can see this with Voat. A majority of Voat users still use Reddit. People use Reddit for posting and interacting when it comes to PC topics (4 wheel drive subs, movie subs, book subs, etc.). They use Voat to post the things they can’t post on Reddit. This creates an imbalance where Voat becomes increasingly un-PC, while Reddit gets the neutral content (I know even the most hardened ideologue has a level of civility). The end result is this imbalance drives people away as people wear out when confronted by content like this over the long run.
I don’t know the solution to this, and I am not attempting to pass blame, I am simply stating a truth that has to considered.
What makes a clone not a clone?
Why I mention this in the first place is that I know a “clone” site will not become sustainable based on Freedom of Speech so I’ve tried to revolutionize the “community” aspect of Voat by providing a way the community itself can “vote” on policy (rules, mods, anything actually). It's the future capability of this feature-set that is appealing. A community can become self-sustaining and self-manageable through this new technology. After all, the draw of sites like Voat or Reddit is that it is community-oriented vs. self-oriented.
And I’m going to finish it. I’m going to finish it for me. I’m going to finish it for you. I’m going to finish it for Voat. I’m going to finish it for Freedom of Speech (because I still believe in this ideal).
I’m going to finish it because a “clone” site with no differentiation but policy will never succeed.
So Voat, please forgive me for my shortcomings if you can, and expect my work to continue on making Voat a truly unique website.
Soon.
P.S. Downtime today was because of a full disk (Thanks @derram for letting me know). We had an issue from about a year ago that inflated some files to crazy sizes and I took the time today to deal with this. So the next downtime should be something completely different! Yay!
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wild-tangent ago
thanks. I tried to make /v/bicycling work, not enough neutral users.
Scrooblemeyer ago
You mean you didn't realize the Jooooos control the entire bike industry? That was sarcasm, by the way.
wild-tangent ago
Lol. Yeah, if anything Taiwan controls it. There's a really rich and interesting history about it. Schwinn went over to Japan to raise production because even with the factory running 24/7 couldn't keep up with demand. Their bikes were built so solidly that salesmen would stand on top of the kickstands to show how durable and Buy It For Life they were.
Japan turned out a pretty solid couple of products, namely the World and LeTour among a couple others with solid build quality for a reasonable price.
Taiwan did them one better, though. Both times, Schwinn sent their manufacturing experts out to teach them how to assemble, manufacture, run the lines, source good metals, etc., and they'd pay a licensing fee and keep going.
However, Schwinn got a bit big for their britches and began pushing around Taiwan who wanted to maintain good ties with Schwinn. Their manufacturing was so good that other bike manufacturers tried getting the then-called Giant factory to start making their bikes for them, provided no patent infringement was taking place. So far, Giant had honored their agreement to not violate patent laws, (which was a huge credit to them.)
Schwinn made several marketing mistakes. They'd done really well with the 20" wheelie bikes, but didn't transfer to BMX, even when the writing was on the wall, until it was too late and the boom was almost over. Same with mountain bikes and hybrids (though they did make great ones in the Mesa Runner, Neu Citi, Crossfit, Woodlands, High Plains, High Sierra, etc., almost none of them were made domestically. All of them were sourced through Giant in Taiwan, or Japan, because they were always reactive rather than predicting). Their one remaining domain was in road bikes, which were, in my opinion, the absolute best they'd ever made.
Unfortunately, they never modernised their factory in Chicago and had abandoned it. If they'd just gone Chromoly, gone alloy rims, and ditched the single piece crank, they could have kept the Electro Forged technology and had a well-sub-30 lb. Varsity for their entry-level offering for not very much more in cost, and ditched their reputation as makers of super-heavy bicycles that had fallen out of favor as the Tour de France became famous and everyone began scrambling for lighter weight bikes, and everyone remembered that Schwinn mostly made heavy tanks.
That said, nobody was noticing that out of their factory in Mississippi, they'd already ditched their super robust lineup of heavy-duty bikes in favour of some of the nicest bikes of that period, for some of the best price. They got their steel from Italy, and their parts from Japan (no longer making their own), but built the frames in the factory to an amazingly tight and affordable spec. Per dollar, they're some of the nicest bikes money can buy, even on the used market as the name brand has been run down to shit. They don't look like much, either, so they're a perfect "sleeper" bike you can use to knock "better" bikes down a peg or three.
But yeah, Schwinn eventually went bankrupt because Giant had them by the balls on every bike that people wanted to actually buy (hybrids, mountain bikes, and BMX bikes). Road bikes were just not exotic enough for the customers, and Schwinn bought in too much into superhigh quality steel without the reputation for it. Trek and Bianchi beat them at that, while aluminum makers like Klein, Raleigh's Technium, (and even some Trek models) entered the market with their aluminum frames, and even Giant began to innovate with its Cadex carbon fiber bikes. Schwinn was, for the last time, caught in a reactionary stage and had to import aluminum road bikes from Taiwan, this time under not very favourable conditions, and it ate their profit margins into nothing, finally burying Schwinn as a company.
Giant continued to grow. Now it makes things for every bike company you can think to name. Even they're trying to just keep China at bay.
Makers that rely on Giant:
GT, Diamondback, Fuji, Trek, and more.
Scrooblemeyer ago
Does Schwinn even make bikes any more? I think I saw a Schwinn branded bike at a Walmart a year or two ago and it looked cheaply made. Is Walart where they are being sold now? There was a Schwinn bike shop in the neighborhood I grew up in 40 years ago but they moved to a better location 20 years ago. And I know they went out of business a year or two after moving. I think Schwinn is still making their exercise bikes like the AirDyne series.
wild-tangent ago
Nah, Schwinn went belly up '95 or so, after that they were bought by guys who make wal-mart bikes. Lots of old school good brand names are basically owned by foreign companies to exploit brand recognition.
They've Tried picking up their quality the past couple years with retro-looking commuter type bikes and are sold by Performance Bikes as their entry-level models, but it's still nowhere near what it was in terms of high quality stuff relative to what else is available on the market.
Yeah, Schwinn Bicycle Co. sold all its stores. Some became local independent chains that sold for Trek or other bike manufacturers. Odds are they went under because the parent co., went bankrupt.
Schwinn's airdyne and most of their patents got sold- but most of what got produced wasn't Schwinn stuff, and wasn't at the old Schwinn factories.
But not all is lost. Waterford Precision Cycles is Schwinn. It literally was where the Paramount factory was, by the same workers, etc., you can even get an old Paramount made brand new by them, or send your paramount for them to restore it. They're still rocking. They made the Paramount, Prologue, and a few other models for Schwinn's top-of-the-line bikes, I think they did the original Schwinn Voyageur and a few others as well. They do a lot of custom builds now with modern parts and the like, but keep the heritage alive.
Scrooblemeyer ago
Thanks for your reply and the time it took. Very interesting to me since I've owned a few Schwinn bikes over my life including a green Stingray with the banana seat and tall shifter when I was about 6 years old back in the early 70's. Now days those bikes are worth a lot of money to collectors but I rode it to death for 10 years.