First off, I need to say that I know I’ve let a lot of you down (if not all). I know I’ve not met your expectations of an admin or a leader. I have no excuses as even I feel this way about myself. I won’t make attempts for empathy, I will only acknowledge the truth, and it is such.
Life is full of surprises. You can be rich one minute and living out of your car the next. You can be healthy one year and a regular in the doctor’s office the following. You can have life figured out only to discover you know nothing in the end. The only constant in life is change.
My life is not the same it was when I first met @Atko and started working on Voat. I have much less time, I have a bit less fight in me (getting old does this), I have a bit more struggle in life. These life changes have forced me to put Voat on the back burner (which hurts me).
Let’s get real
When it comes to “Free Speech” sites, I once believed that people cared enough about the value of free speech to make “clone” sites like Voat (or gab) successful. I’ve come to realize, and have said before, that this single factor isn’t enough. People simply do not value this right enough to make a “clone” successful.
You can see this with Voat. A majority of Voat users still use Reddit. People use Reddit for posting and interacting when it comes to PC topics (4 wheel drive subs, movie subs, book subs, etc.). They use Voat to post the things they can’t post on Reddit. This creates an imbalance where Voat becomes increasingly un-PC, while Reddit gets the neutral content (I know even the most hardened ideologue has a level of civility). The end result is this imbalance drives people away as people wear out when confronted by content like this over the long run.
I don’t know the solution to this, and I am not attempting to pass blame, I am simply stating a truth that has to considered.
What makes a clone not a clone?
Why I mention this in the first place is that I know a “clone” site will not become sustainable based on Freedom of Speech so I’ve tried to revolutionize the “community” aspect of Voat by providing a way the community itself can “vote” on policy (rules, mods, anything actually). It's the future capability of this feature-set that is appealing. A community can become self-sustaining and self-manageable through this new technology. After all, the draw of sites like Voat or Reddit is that it is community-oriented vs. self-oriented.
And I’m going to finish it. I’m going to finish it for me. I’m going to finish it for you. I’m going to finish it for Voat. I’m going to finish it for Freedom of Speech (because I still believe in this ideal).
I’m going to finish it because a “clone” site with no differentiation but policy will never succeed.
So Voat, please forgive me for my shortcomings if you can, and expect my work to continue on making Voat a truly unique website.
Soon.
P.S. Downtime today was because of a full disk (Thanks @derram for letting me know). We had an issue from about a year ago that inflated some files to crazy sizes and I took the time today to deal with this. So the next downtime should be something completely different! Yay!
https://voat.co/v/announcements/1330806
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Mumbleberry ago
Do what you have to do. But please appoint a spam sledgehammer. These accounts that comment enough to get 10 CCP and then start spamming their site bur never comment again so they retain posting rights. BRING BACK CYNABUNS, or give me the job. All I do here already is expose and attempt to shame spammers.
AOU ago
Don't waste your time. Putt doesn't care anymore.
absurdlyobfuscated ago
Yes, seriously this is one significant thing that voat needs to do to improve. I strongly recommend @PuttItOut gets a few people on board to manage spam, preferably ones who have experience fighting spam and have the time to keep it in check. And it would help tremendously if we have /v/ReportSpammers or any other a method to bring spam to the attention of someone who will deal with it promptly. I'm more than happy to do my part in reporting spam and helping where needed, but TBH I don't really want and wouldn't request any kind of special powers that normal users don't have. I fully endorse Mumbleberry for the job, though.
AOU ago
I admire your delusion. We've given up reporting spam when we realized Putt never really cared about janitors working their asses to keep voat spam free.
Mumbleberry ago
Wow. Thank you for the show of trust.
darkknight111 ago
I support your nomination.
Theory: Much of our shill and spammer problems come from them gaming the system in regards to Voat's policy on unlimited alts.
Suggested solution: Put a hard limit on the amount of accounts an IP can have (3 seems fair).
Any accounts an IP has after that limited are DELETED.
Accounts with bans from subverses get 1st priority in terms of being "kept".
Mumbleberry ago
Good thoughts, but VPN's can/will get around that.
darkknight111 ago
That may be true, but at the very least the technically less competent shills will get caught.
How many shills and spammers are smart enough to know how to use a VPN?
Mumbleberry ago
They don't need to be smart. They just need to watch one of the many "how use VPN" tutorials that infest YT. And most of those vids are made and posted by other pajeets.
Firevine ago
Fuck yes. Mumble is the man for this shit.
Mumbleberry ago
Thank you kind person.
MadWorld ago
Thank you for shining a light on those spammers!!
I also count about 45 pajeet spammers. The flat earth niggers have about 54 accounts, a little more than the pajeets.
Mumbleberry ago
Expose them, I will help. If they post from one or two/three sites only. If they use multiple sources, they aren't spamming. Just stupid.
Chimaira92 ago
@Jesus_is_lord for starters
MadWorld ago
Here is a small segment from my configuration file. I don't have the energy to go through those accounts individually yet. I will try to come up with a tool to characterize them.
Darl_Von_Kibble ago
God damn it, I never make any of these lists!
MadWorld ago
I tried not to, but they have made too many alt accounts that spam garbage.
Mumbleberry ago
Many of those are seemingly one time accts made for insulting me. The others I will watch. Thanks for the diligence putting this list together.
MadWorld ago
I could also try to come up with a domain-spammer detection tool to reduce manual work when I have some spare time :-).
Mumbleberry ago
Bring it. Another weapon will be very welcome.
8thDeadlySin ago
For the record, I think the spam sledgehammer should be you. You've invested more time than anyone else here in tracking the spammers.
Mumbleberry ago
Thank you for recognizing my efforts.
8thDeadlySin ago
Just tagged you as Spam Sledgehammer, so if my vote counts, you've already got it.
Mumbleberry ago
If I have to make an alt for some reason, you just gave me a great username. Will give the the credit if asked.