In 4chan-ish speak (or whatever)
Be me
Working. Look at clock, damn gotta run
Get up, about to leave, forgot I have to run vote manipulation bans
It's fine, they are ready to run, won't take long
Get first batch setup, double check it, looks good, execute the code
Get second batch setup, double check it, wait, a parameter is off
Think to myself, hmmmm, what was that parameter set to in the first batch?
Go look at the first batch again, parameter is wrong, interesting.
I wonder what that did.
Go look, yeah, banned a bunch of people I shouldn't have.
I'm going to be so late now.
No code to unban people, have to write it real quick.
15 minutes later, ready to go, execute code, great, everyone was unbanned. Feel like superman.
Finish rest of bans
Leave 45 minutes after I should have
Sometime later, check Voat on phone, make sure it's not down (you know, we have a thing with that).
Have 20 triilion unread messages. Oh no. What now.
Voat is going full rage goat about bans.
Try to answer as many messages as possible. It's a warzone. Usually is after every round though, so expected
Check Voat again later, saw ping in a random submission
It said a long time goat was banned. That's weird.
Started thinking how did that goat get banned?
Why would they be farming? They can't be downvoting can they?
Recall that Dan guy got banned on Reddit for up farming. Definitely possible.
Maybe power users are into that kind of thing?
Think to myself, Voat is weird.
Sometime later, still curious, log on computer, bring up ban data
Wait a second, that goat was in batch 1
I'll fix that. Fixed.
Look over it once again, find two more
Fix them.
Check a few users who've messaged. They still got served the ban hammer. Lol a little
Think we are good now.
Still thinking about what the goats said in the warzone thread
One user said we should have an appeal process
Process we use now is old as hell
Coded to kill farms with no mercy
Written for survival during the sanegoat days
That was years ago. Reminisce what is was like for a minute. Damn I'm getting old.
Yeah, maybe we should update this
So, that was how the bans went down from my side. Thought it was entertaining enough to break the ice for what follows:
I can't allow manipulation, in any way. If the votes aren't true, I can't put my name on it. Manipulation of votes was why I left Reddit in the first place. I take it seriously. I also need to define what we look for without giving away our playbook (I have to think about this a bit).
I'll double check vote manipulation bans, that is totally reasonable. I hate banning people for manipulation, so if a ban wasn't right, I'll fix it.
Conclusion:
We are going to have to add an appeal process for vote manipulation.
You guys have better ideas anyways, so how should we do this? What should the process be?
Let's just design it from scratch. And while we are at it… should subverse bans be appealable? Do we need to write new code for this?
Suppose we can just use PMs though.
Let's make it better.
Someone told me Voat loves stickies.
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MrPim ago
And personally my problem is that I was accused of vote manipulation when in my opinion that just is not true. I do not use alts, I do not engage in organized brigades, I do not Voat from a users comment page. My voating is done as a single user in the forums and I don't use alt accts to increase my numbers. If I have a hard on for a particular user and I DV the shit out of them that isn't vote manipulation. If I DV every single thing Aged posts that isn't manipulation, I just hate pedos. I also UV almost everything from @Empress and a lot from TWs, am I manipulating that? If so, what are the thresholds for this activity?
The accusation of Voat manipulation is taken seriously here and people automatically jump to AltFarmer and I am not that. My activity logs are welcome to be published.
Womb_Raider ago
Maybe don't upvote based on user, but based on merit of submission? There's an idear.
MrPim ago
Maybe I'll decide how I Voat and I'll likely do that on a case by case basis. Your idea sucks.
Womb_Raider ago
Voting based on merit rather than mindless bias and favoritism is a bad idea? Oh.
Artofchoke ago
It's up to him to decide, for good or bad.
Womb_Raider ago
I used to be friends with freshmeat. Never did I upvote every post he made. I used to be friends with grifter. Never did I upvote every post he made. I used to even be sympathetic to sanegoat, despite my devil's advocate rhetoric towards him... and never did I reflexively upvote everything he had to say.
There is no excuse for doing so and, if these people are using VPN, it's hard to justify such activity... I don't know, it's probably a catch-22 but I can't see his perspective even if I try.
This place just feels like such an inorganic environment these days.
Artofchoke ago
It has changed so much. It's hard. :/
I miss when we all knew each other, and it was a tight knit community.
Womb_Raider ago
I do too. Now we have the owner of the website essentially promoting the opposite... maybe he means well, but I don't know. He's calling the destroyers builders. Either he's comped, demoralized, or ... I'm not sure what else.
I weep for the internet at large. The time is coming when we will have to gather like minds and find a place IRL to convene and live, the north vs south dichotomy will come to the United States again and, probably, sooner than we expect.
I think that once Trump's second term ends, we will see egregious behavior from our government. You may be the only SDBH person who has my respect. I advise you to research 80% lower firearms and acquire some. Get more than you need so that you may arm those that did not foresee trouble.
Artofchoke ago
We need to pick a state, pick a town, and create an enclave. We're running low on time, but trying to organize goats is like trying to herd cats. :/
Womb_Raider ago
We ought to all move to Florida. We have good gun laws. Lots of military in the area, they're all patriots. Florida and Texas are two of the only states worth living in. Possibly Alabama.
That's why all this "Florida man" propaganda exists... that's why all the queers are trying to destroy Texas. Nothing is organic anymore. Nothing. I'm minding my own business and building up resources expecting the very worst.
GreenSlug ago
But Florida sucks... its my least favorite place ive ever been. So hot. So humid. So many bugs.
toobaditworks ago
And gators.
GreenSlug ago
I like the gators, good eats
toobaditworks ago
Haven't tried that yet.
GreenSlug ago
Maybe my second favorite food, behind squid. Or third if im counting squid and octopus separately
toobaditworks ago
Umm ... I won't be eating squid.
Here's Kentucky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxmwLE7vnb0
GreenSlug ago
Squid is damned delicious though