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MrPim ago

I can't allow manipulation, in any way. If the votes aren't true, I can't put my name on it.

And personally my problem is that I was accused of vote manipulation when in my opinion that just is not true. I do not use alts, I do not engage in organized brigades, I do not Voat from a users comment page. My voating is done as a single user in the forums and I don't use alt accts to increase my numbers. If I have a hard on for a particular user and I DV the shit out of them that isn't vote manipulation. If I DV every single thing Aged posts that isn't manipulation, I just hate pedos. I also UV almost everything from @Empress and a lot from TWs, am I manipulating that? If so, what are the thresholds for this activity?

The accusation of Voat manipulation is taken seriously here and people automatically jump to AltFarmer and I am not that. My activity logs are welcome to be published.

Womb_Raider ago

Maybe don't upvote based on user, but based on merit of submission? There's an idear.

Gorillion ago

You start recognizing voaters and their submissions just by natural degrees.
So you notice when they're being dishonest or hypocritical.

A lot of people who end up on Voat have fairly sensitive pattern recognition software running in their heads and due to past experiences don't wait for slippery slope suspicions to bare themselves out when they notice the early signs of malignant forces attempting to pervert reasonably forthright discourse.

Attribution of "Merit" still requires context, and some users have a larger sense of context given their time here. So an "innocent" post to you will send up red flags to someone who knows User X's usual shtick. That's actually a fully democratic mechanism at work there - you wouldn't vote for politician who suddenly speaks your language after seeing him say the exact opposite to someone else in another environment. Because you understand he's trying to manipulate you and is dishonest, inconsistent and untrustworthy.

People can change, sure. Give them space and opportunity to do that if you see change happening. I don't think many people have a "DV everything this guy posts" list that they use every day. They'll get hot for a while then cool off. Then get hot again if the target user keeps pissing them off. Natural cycles. Again, think of it like watching politicians in action. It forces that politician to either stick to his guns and gather supporters over time, or change his message or rhetoric enough (make better and less dishonest arguments) to not get DV'd so much. Or just move to a different electoral district (ie: Fuck off to Reddit or a Tranny Discord).

Womb_Raider ago

or change his message or rhetoric enough (make better and less dishonest arguments) to not get DV'd so much.

So... if the merit of their statements improve, they'll get your approval? In other words, we should base posts and philosophies based on their merit, as I've said? I'm pleased you agree with me.