Read CONTEXT at end of post
Currently Voat’s "Private" subverse feature is primarily used to allow subs to disassociate their posts from v/all, all content is still public in every sense other than this. This isn’t really private, it’s more like a hidden setting.
For internal reasons Voat needs to implement a private subverse feature in which only approved people have access to the subverse content (pro tip: a lot of features we work on and end up offering were/are primarily developed for internal reasons like the upcoming Vote and Packages features).
Before we start any work on this feature, I want to discuss how to develop this feature and get your feedback and concerns.
As I see it, we have the classic concept of Private in which only approved people (members) can access subverse content. The only question is one of implementation: what controls access to subverse: subscriptions or moderator privileges? If we use subscriptions, we will have to modify the process so that moderators can approve a subscription request, otherwise the moderator feature would suffice. If we use a moderator approach, other users can see who is part of the private subverse which is good for transparency. Pros/cons to both approaches.
Some concerns I see:
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Should we have different "Private" settings like a ReadOnly
differentiation so that a subverse can choose to display content to non-members but not allow non-members to submit posts/comments i.e. a read only approach?
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What if a subverse is private and a new subscriber is added, should this new member have full access to subverse content or should all content submitted before they were added be inaccessible to them? In other words, only content submitted after a user became a member is visible to them. This concern is to allow existing members to be reassured their prior content is protected.
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Should private subverse content show up in front-page/sets or should the subverse content only be accessible via navigating to the subverse itself?
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Should pings be dropped when the target user isn’t a member?
There are probably other considerations I haven’t thought about, so let me know your thoughts.
CONTEXT
As with any change, we are all looking at the potential for abuse (which I see), so I want to give everyone a context of where this comes from so you can see the intentions involved with the thought.
I want to setup a corporate Voat instance for business related concerns that will be accessible by all Voat employees and members of the community that are involved with the operations of Voat (this is called dogfooding in the software world). In this instance I'd like to have a subverse about Finances that is restricted to only company executives, as well as a Legal subverse accessible to legal council, etc.
In these scenarios, private subverses are needed as a Voat developer or community manager wouldn't need access to this "sensitive" content.
I think it's important to note where this idea stems from and that this idea was never one of ill intention (i.e. This is the end of Voat!). This is why I mentioned "internal" above.
As always, we are just getting feedback here, let's try to look for solutions to the concerns rather than throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Edit
Consensus is in: Voat loves this idea... Pause... Pause... Not. ;)
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truthwoke33 ago
What are your plans to mitigate user abuse e.g. creating a secret CP sub or a harassment sub?
PuttItOut ago
This is a very good point. Every feature we dev has a negative side to it, and what you mention is one.
Maybe some way to counter/offset this perhaps?
truthwoke33 ago
And as expected, you give non answers to softball questions.
Why are you using resources on a feature that nobody requested? How does this benefit users?
ratsmack ago
The whole point of this is to gather information... it's just a discussion at this point, so there s no need to treat it as being set in stone.
truthwoke33 ago
Ok but
I don't understand how this benefits voat. He specifically said 'for internal reasons' meaning this feature was not a user request.
ratsmack ago
I believe that because he want's this for internal reasons, he decided to ask the community if this would be useful for anyone... it's just a discussion.
truthwoke33 ago
That would clarify greatly. I don't however apologize for being abrasive, I won't trust voat and I will inform other users to be as suspicious as possible until we know who's funding the show. It could genuinely be a state funded honey pot, but either way we're getting no answers.
The fact that this one of the first features announced since voats purchased, just weirds me out more.
PuttItOut ago
You have a right to be suspicious. I would be too if I were you as you don't know me.
What you have to understand is I have a reason for everything I do even if it doesn't satisfy your concerns. This world is a crazy place and we have to be careful.
Justsomebullshitname ago
That line sold me on never trusting you. I’m out ✌️
jollux ago
We need more information. You're asking us to blindly trust you here. We do not. At least give a vague outline of the reason why you need private subverses. If you cannot, we will assume that you are using it to harm us.
Onefootwonder ago
It's so Voat employees can have private communication channels, like all tech companies have. The post is about whether or not we want them for ourselves as well. I'm leaning towards no. I can't see any benefit really.
Rawrination ago
Every time this happens on a forum, the SJW crowd uses them to start taking over. Every Time.
Onefootwonder ago
I'm not familiar with it enough, but I believe you They are experts at hijacking others people's work after it's complete and taking control/credit of it.
Rawrination ago
I was around when the_donald on reddit got hijacked and taken over. That's how I ended up on voat.
doginventer ago
This makes sense to me as an option you want to be holding moving forward.
While I naturally approve the dogfood scenario I do think that the culture of voat would probably be adversely affected by rolling out the feature much beyond that.