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Lemongarb ago

I know historically neanderthals were considered stupid, but the newest evidence seems to be suggesting otherwise. I haven't heard anyone make the connection, but who built Gobleki Tepi?

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

based on the data I've seen of their cranial structures they actually should've had larger brains than the homosapians

Le_Squish ago

They did. There is also some suppressed research that suggest they were more prone to interpersonal violence and cannibalism.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

more so than africans?

Le_Squish ago

Cannibalism in H. Sapiens is much more modern phenomena. When we look at pre-african exodus populations, we see obsidian and Flint being traded over thousands of miles suggesting human groups mostly had peaceful encounters to exchange goods and probably mates as well.

When study H. Neanderthalis pre H. Sapiens contact, we find sites where entire families were killed, carved up and cooked in their caves. We don't see the extensive trade networks or evidence of Neanderthals living in anything larger than a family group. They may have been high IQ (the cultural artifacts they left behind suggest as much) but prone to sociopathic/psychopathic behavior much more than humans and were never able to organize into proper tribes. Africans tend towards violence because of poor impulse control and not because they are particularly anti-social.

SJWs have thoroughly tainted anthropology though, so unless you can get original inventory of a sites excavation, it's hard to trust even a peer reviewed source.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

just like they've tainted everything else, it's not even widely known that the asian descended red skinned natives we know now were not the original natives of north america but that their were european descended (probably indo-european) natives living here first with white skin and blonde hair, and that the "native americans" killed and raped them out of existence and stole their land. At least when we displaced the "natives" we left some of them alive to complain about it.

Mr_Dusk ago

Proofs?

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

I was pretty salty when I put this together but here you go

Mr_Dusk ago

Thanks. didnt read all of them but what I did read was interesting to be sure. Itll be good to see if we can access any underwater relics to gain more archeological evidence of it. Until then I'll remain skeptical. As I am with everything these days.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

just keep reading and researching, the truth is out there and it fears no investigation

Mr_Dusk ago

I know im slowly piecing together the world. Read that one explaining fascisms economic and social principles and while I can see creating money and injecting it into the economy interest free is a great idea, I cant agree with the government heavily restricting art and literature to foster a proper mindset. Just seems highly orwellian to me.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

learn more about modern art, cubes are a reference to saturn how many cities have a cube type sculpture? know what this is? it might be hard to accept be the people using art and literature to subvert us know more about it than the average person and that's dangerous

Mr_Dusk ago

Wait so cubes and Minotaurs are the issue with modern art??? A geometric shape???

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

yes and no, these are just the examples I have on hand. In a word the problem is symbolism. The shapes, themes, and symbols common in modern art have meaning on a subconscious level, and a spiritual one as well if you believe in that sort of thing. Many of these (((artists))) know what they're conveying and communicating with their work, but the average person has no idea. Think of how much shows like Archie Bunker pushed the idea that racism was unacceptable? and did you notice that furies became much more prominent when the kids who grew up watching disney movies like the lion king and beauty and the beast hit their 20s? what you see affects you in all sorts of ways that any random person hasn't the time or interest to understand.

Mr_Dusk ago

yeah symbolism in art is a big thing. but that doesnt mean it should be controlled to inspire loyalty and positive affectations to the symbology a government wants them too.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

I was talking about the opposite, there's a much easier case to be made for it to be regulated to prevent negative effects rather than to enforce positive ones.

Mr_Dusk ago

negative or positive the regulation of art is denial of free speech. that might be something a group might not mind until it happens to them but none the less its not a good thing. Isn't that why all of us came to Voat in the first place was because we can speak freely here?

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

this may be something of a point of contention, I understand and have read the writings of the founding fathers so I get where your coming from, but I personally I think it's not too bad of an idea to protect people from themselves because I don't believe in free will. It's a perversion of what Richard Dawkins described in his book the Selfish Gene, but a person is merely made up of their genes and memes; Who they are and what they know, their biology and the information they've compiled over a lifetime. Free will is originally a concept from the bible and has never been proven and is not really backed by any evidence, if we go by the facts we can verify humans are simply animals and you have no grander control over your destiny than say a beaver. You might have an aversion to this at first as your "self" seeks to protect itself, but ask; Do you really have free will? is there such a thing as volition? are there any real choices? All of your actions are based on your inherent feelings, principals, values, etc. any number of things you have no free control over. Even if you argue that you might've considered doing something different, consider string theory; at the "choice" in question the worldlines split a parallel world is generated and there's just as much evidence to assert that the one you ended up on is a product of random chance rather than "agency." Don't you act differently around different people, don't we all lie constantly? The sense of self a person feels is little more than a mask we construct to hide behind. It's fine if you disagree, but I'd recommend you read Straw Dogs by John Grey.