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19319482? ago

The finality of life and death finally dawned on me a few years ago at the ripe age of 24, w a little bit of help after trying the spirit molecule DMT... I was a bit stoned, and it hit me like a strike of lightning, “My God..... Jesus Christ.....” the words were ELECTRIFIED within me, it occurred to me, how strange the power these names hold. They aren’t just two words, they are conscious entities, the ability to even be here and say or think these two words is incredible.

19320971? ago

I've never done DMT, but I have a weird story. I had my picture taken in front of a building when I was 16, just a very very random building. 2 years later I happened to be reading Rick Straussman's book "DMT: The Spirit Molecule," and as I was doing some research about the book etc. I came to find that his office was the very building that I had my picture taken in front of 2 years prior. Kind of a freaky coincidence for me.

19322023? ago

A sign. Try some. There’s no way God means for us to ignore DMT.

19322525? ago

Psychedelic drugs are certainly a means to break through to the spiritual realm. I don’t recommend using them for this end, however, as those boundaries were put in place for a reason.

19323286? ago

Who put those boundaries in place and for what reason?

19325547? ago

IMO God put them in place, as the spiritual realm here on earth is infested with all kinds of evil beings, most notable being demons (the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim). I suspect by using illicit drugs (and even large quantities of alcohol) that we are opening ourselves up to being influenced/controlled by these beings.

19326544? ago

If God put them in place he’d have warned us off them.

Which bible verse(s) prohibit moderate use of “illicit” drugs (illicit in quotes because it is only illicit in the eyes of certain men who may or may not mean you well)?

19334071? ago

God is the real deal. Drugs are drugs. You don't have to do drugs to get to the same realization, one is true and the other may cause you to miss the truth.

19346087? ago

But I did not say you "have" to do drugs to come to any realization. God put far too much in this world for anyone to do it all. My message is not that everyone should do DMT but, rather, that there is no way God intended for DMT to be off limits.

"Drugs are drugs" is grossly oversimplified. Some drugs cure cancer, like THC. Some drugs enhance your spiritual side, like DMT. Some drugs are ultra addictive, like opiates, while others are difficult or impossible to abuse, like THC and DMT.

You are free to imbibe in any of the above, or not. But I don't believe you have a case if you're trying to say God intended for all of us to steer clear of these things in all cases.

19366156? ago

"Drugs are drugs" is grossly oversimplified.

I meant that within the context of spiritual pursuit, and in particular DMT. I agree with you that drugs medicinally and in some cases recreationally or stress relief, treating illness etc. aren't prohibited. Biblically wine is encouraged in moderate amounts within certain situations.

However, in the Christian faith, there's a call to come together and 'reason' with God, something one doesn't do when experiencing hallucinations. Christian tradition, while replete with spiritual experiences of saints, spiritual mystics, healers, prophets, even the wise 'fools' who live outside the mainstream and seem crazy, the monastics, there are so many facets of Christian spiritual life, yet visions and such are not recommended to be pursued in of themselves because without the foundation of guidance within the Christian tradition (speaking of Orthodox Christians here) there's just a lot of potentially very serious downsides. That being said, many people find their way to the Church via various experiences along the way within their life. And they are generally truth seekers with a love for truth, or at least a sense of valuing truth above so much else that devalues it.

19376997? ago

However, in the Christian faith, there's a call to come together and 'reason' with God, something one doesn't do when experiencing hallucinations

I disagree. It might not be the only way to come together and reason with God, but it is one way IMO. The insights delivered unto me during my DMT trips were the exact things I needed to stop being depressed and disconnected from my family and start living my life productively and in harmony with my family. It feels like DMT allows you to set aside all the profanity and anger in your life, and approach the crystal clear and exactly accurate logic and reasoning of God honestly.

If anyone had told me to do the things that DMT told me to do, before I'd ever taken DMT, I would have dismissed that evidence out of hand. I had a high powered, high paying job, my name on a building, fast luxury cars, and a massive yearly property tax bill on my house. I thought I was on top of the world, and you would have wanted me to grow fucking chickens??

So tell me, in which state do you think I was more able to come together and "reason" with God?

If you see my point, you should then ask yourself: who benefits from preventing you from communing with God in the same way I have? Who benefits from keeping you enslaved to money and cruelty?

there are so many facets of Christian spiritual life, yet visions and such are not recommended to be pursued in of themselves because without the foundation of guidance within the Christian tradition (speaking of Orthodox Christians here) there's just a lot of potentially very serious downsides

Your point appears to distill down to "don't take that path because it's too risky." To live is to risk it all, fren. I'm glad I took the hard path, it changed my life and I thank God for it every day.

19378146? ago

I thought I was on top of the world, and you would have wanted me to grow fucking chickens??

Glad to see the anger thing worked out for you /s.

I'm glad I took the hard path,

not sure what you mean by that, doing DMT doesn't sound like the hard path, but I haven't taken it so I can't say.

I've heard people worship a female deity they believe is behind the profound spiritual insights they claim to experience from DMT.

If anyone had told me to do the things that DMT told me to do

Glad it worked out for you to no longer be enslaved to money and cruelty. That is a positive thing. I'm not claiming to know what it is to walk in your shoes, I was giving my opinion based from Christian tradition and my own experiences.

19391903? ago

Glad to see the anger thing worked out for you /s.

I am not angry now. I was speaking in what would have been my voice at that time and mental state.

not sure what you mean by that, doing DMT doesn't sound like the hard path, but I haven't taken it so I can't say.

My calling DMT "the hard path" is in response to this, which I presume was you:

there are so many facets of Christian spiritual life, yet visions and such are not recommended to be pursued in of themselves because without the foundation of guidance within the Christian tradition (speaking of Orthodox Christians here) there's just a lot of potentially very serious downsides

As I understood the above paragraph, you were saying that DMT is just too risky. My response was, if that is the case, I'm glad I took the hard path. It was worth the risk.

I've heard people worship a female deity they believe is behind the profound spiritual insights they claim to experience from DMT.

We've come a long way from "I have many friends who ruined their lives abusing DMT."

We have already established that DMT isn't to be trifled with. If you go into it the wrong way (or probably more importantly, with the wrong people), you may come out of without having fully appreciated what happened to you.

Glad it worked out for you to no longer be enslaved to money and cruelty. That is a positive thing. I'm not claiming to know what it is to walk in your shoes, I was giving my opinion based from Christian tradition and my own experiences.

I appreciate your input. I don't claim to be within the doctrine of traditional Christian thought. My only position is that I see no basis for thinking God forbids us from taking DMT. Some people get their message from God in the form of the virgin Mary appearing on burnt toast or whatever, I got mine from that amazing drug.