Explanation time for those of you who may have not been around voat for a while:
This entire site is astroturfed to hell. It has been under constant infestation of every shill group imaginable in many ways and in every method you can imagine. It's been this way for a very long time. Years. It's not just the obvious trolls like SBBH, who are coordinated, and more nefarious than simply trolls. Points farming, content curation (controlling the front page with many alt accounts, keeping aversive content on the front page at all times, sliding important information to invalidate the purpose of a free speech site)
Every group of bad actors you can think of is here. Almost every poster outside of the primary subs is a shill for some PR firm or another. Controlling digital real estate is big business. People are heavily invested in making sure the first thing you see when you come to visit Voat is "KILL ALL NIGGERS". No really, look at the front page on any given day and I promise you there will be something similar to this. The point is to scare people who might otherwise join the community, which makes the community worthless and with bad reputation. There are similar tactics employed on major chan sites as well.
This effort to create a manufacturered crisis in QRV around cartoon child porn and bomb making posting is not the work of "trolls". It's the work of people who are very heavily invested in driving people away from the community and with the eventual goal of taking over this community. Call them Communist (the ends justify the means) call them deep state, call them intel spooks, probably a mix of all three. But don't call them benign. They are not benign. They are actually attackers and their goal is to destroy the free dissemination of information.
They post and bombard this information all over the sub constantly, and then they say "we need moderation!!!" (Manufacture a problem) then they say with their other hand "the mods are doing nothing! We need curation! Open a moderator position!!! We need a janitor!!" Of course the same people posting the porn will be first in line to be the janitors, with the goal of attaining a super user position on the board, and thus the ability to control and delete posts at will, especially and including any useful information. Once these people attain a super user position, they will no longer need to post porn, so they can say "see? We stopped the porn!" (Provided a 'solution' to the crisis). The cost is you give up your rights to having free flow of information.
This is an effort to lift the curtain on the utter shitstains who inhabit this place. They aren't ever going to stop. They are going to continue to do what they do until something gives in one direction or the other. If they get their porn deleted, they will say "there's no free speech here!!! QRV censored us!! It's compromised!! It's evidence that it is a controlled operation!!" If they get moderation, they will work to gain that super user status. If you ban them, they will simply hop to another virtual machine on a different instance with a different IP and start again. They can keep playing the whack a mole game forever. They will keep doing it forever. They will never stop, because these people are more than trolls, they are BAD ACTORS.
Anyone who works this hard to destroy is motivated by more than the lulz. Voat is a virulent cesspool of these people. Yes there are legitimate users, but they are heavily outnumbered by professional forum trolls with dozens of sock puppet accounts and very very bad intentions.
Hello. I agree with most of what you wrote here, but to be clear, I posted the TATP article because I'm an anarchist turned accelerationist, and it's good info to have. Jihadists have this recipe and are not afraid to use it. By sharing it with patriots I am trying to level the playing field. It's just information, harmless on it's own. If someone chooses to use it irresposibly, that's on them.
Apart from that, you're pretty accurate. Voat has always been attacked by shills in a number of different ways including those you mentioned. SBBH faggots are a cancer, but that is the cost of freedom of speech.
I'm not opposed to removing the porn. But don't lump my "trolling" in with those degenerates, I'd actually like to see the west saved.
Anarchist is not equal to terrorist. Terrorism requires using violence for political gain. As an anarchist I just opted out of society and skateboarded, smoked a lot of pot.
Now accelerationist, one could make an argument linking to terrorism, but even still the definition requires violence to be accurate.
Why bother calling yourself an anarchist when you mean 'edgy teen with a safety pin somewhere stuck through something on his person or of his person'. How old are, 20?
Anarchism was very popular amonst skate punks when I was a teen and early 20's, yes. I drifted, hitchiked, graffiti'd, attended protests, banged a fuckload of women, and generally just did whatever I wanted while contributing zero to the system. That was a long time ago.
Since then I've learned a lot, and like many people on voat, rejected the status quo. I don't want third worlders in my country. I don't want the deep state and corporate overlords enslaving the common man. I believe in free enterprise and reaping the benefits of your own hard work. I had nothing because I achieved nothing. Now I have stability because I work for it.
I would rather see this corrupt system fixed in a peaceful way, but if not... well there are only 3 boxes and we've already tried 2 of them.
You have to understand the spirit of the internet. We were born in the darkness, and have our own culture. It's random, spectacular, mischievous, and brilliant. It's HWNDU and pepe, IOTBW, and the happy merchant.
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18751386? ago
Explanation time for those of you who may have not been around voat for a while:
This entire site is astroturfed to hell. It has been under constant infestation of every shill group imaginable in many ways and in every method you can imagine. It's been this way for a very long time. Years. It's not just the obvious trolls like SBBH, who are coordinated, and more nefarious than simply trolls. Points farming, content curation (controlling the front page with many alt accounts, keeping aversive content on the front page at all times, sliding important information to invalidate the purpose of a free speech site)
Every group of bad actors you can think of is here. Almost every poster outside of the primary subs is a shill for some PR firm or another. Controlling digital real estate is big business. People are heavily invested in making sure the first thing you see when you come to visit Voat is "KILL ALL NIGGERS". No really, look at the front page on any given day and I promise you there will be something similar to this. The point is to scare people who might otherwise join the community, which makes the community worthless and with bad reputation. There are similar tactics employed on major chan sites as well.
This effort to create a manufacturered crisis in QRV around cartoon child porn and bomb making posting is not the work of "trolls". It's the work of people who are very heavily invested in driving people away from the community and with the eventual goal of taking over this community. Call them Communist (the ends justify the means) call them deep state, call them intel spooks, probably a mix of all three. But don't call them benign. They are not benign. They are actually attackers and their goal is to destroy the free dissemination of information.
They post and bombard this information all over the sub constantly, and then they say "we need moderation!!!" (Manufacture a problem) then they say with their other hand "the mods are doing nothing! We need curation! Open a moderator position!!! We need a janitor!!" Of course the same people posting the porn will be first in line to be the janitors, with the goal of attaining a super user position on the board, and thus the ability to control and delete posts at will, especially and including any useful information. Once these people attain a super user position, they will no longer need to post porn, so they can say "see? We stopped the porn!" (Provided a 'solution' to the crisis). The cost is you give up your rights to having free flow of information.
This is an effort to lift the curtain on the utter shitstains who inhabit this place. They aren't ever going to stop. They are going to continue to do what they do until something gives in one direction or the other. If they get their porn deleted, they will say "there's no free speech here!!! QRV censored us!! It's compromised!! It's evidence that it is a controlled operation!!" If they get moderation, they will work to gain that super user status. If you ban them, they will simply hop to another virtual machine on a different instance with a different IP and start again. They can keep playing the whack a mole game forever. They will keep doing it forever. They will never stop, because these people are more than trolls, they are BAD ACTORS.
Anyone who works this hard to destroy is motivated by more than the lulz. Voat is a virulent cesspool of these people. Yes there are legitimate users, but they are heavily outnumbered by professional forum trolls with dozens of sock puppet accounts and very very bad intentions.
18752359? ago
Hello. I agree with most of what you wrote here, but to be clear, I posted the TATP article because I'm an anarchist turned accelerationist, and it's good info to have. Jihadists have this recipe and are not afraid to use it. By sharing it with patriots I am trying to level the playing field. It's just information, harmless on it's own. If someone chooses to use it irresposibly, that's on them.
Apart from that, you're pretty accurate. Voat has always been attacked by shills in a number of different ways including those you mentioned. SBBH faggots are a cancer, but that is the cost of freedom of speech.
I'm not opposed to removing the porn. But don't lump my "trolling" in with those degenerates, I'd actually like to see the west saved.
18752815? ago
Anarchist=Terrorist
18752870? ago
Anarchist is not equal to terrorist. Terrorism requires using violence for political gain. As an anarchist I just opted out of society and skateboarded, smoked a lot of pot.
Now accelerationist, one could make an argument linking to terrorism, but even still the definition requires violence to be accurate.
18753000? ago
Why bother calling yourself an anarchist when you mean 'edgy teen with a safety pin somewhere stuck through something on his person or of his person'. How old are, 20?
18753018? ago
Anarchism was very popular amonst skate punks when I was a teen and early 20's, yes. I drifted, hitchiked, graffiti'd, attended protests, banged a fuckload of women, and generally just did whatever I wanted while contributing zero to the system. That was a long time ago.
Since then I've learned a lot, and like many people on voat, rejected the status quo. I don't want third worlders in my country. I don't want the deep state and corporate overlords enslaving the common man. I believe in free enterprise and reaping the benefits of your own hard work. I had nothing because I achieved nothing. Now I have stability because I work for it.
I would rather see this corrupt system fixed in a peaceful way, but if not... well there are only 3 boxes and we've already tried 2 of them.
18756437? ago
Yeah how long?
18759692? ago
You have to understand the spirit of the internet. We were born in the darkness, and have our own culture. It's random, spectacular, mischievous, and brilliant. It's HWNDU and pepe, IOTBW, and the happy merchant.
And it's growing every day.
18768358? ago
You sound like a faggot. Go outside
18768396? ago
I am outside. The blackfly season is starting
18768547? ago
Put your fucking phone down