Posts like these are intended to hijack the movement to make us seem like white supremacists. People in The_Donald fell for a similar post, an Asian guy telling 'us' white people that he's proud of his race and we should be too. 5k+ upvotes.
Problem? Pride in skin color is no different than hatred toward skin color.
I know this is voat and n'er this, n'er that but this is the truth.
If you have racial pride, you're racist.
That all said, yes I'm a Q follower, white, male, married, and aware Jews rule the world.
Stay on track, do not fall into the trap of an imbecile.
I appreciate your post, because though you oppose the notion of pride in race, you endeavor to engage with the argument earnestly. This is quite rare, and is commendable.
I, however, support the notion of racial pride and would like you to take into consideration my arguments regarding your opposition.
For the sake of clarification. I would suggest you are making a category mistake pitting pride antagonistically to hate. We might more accurately consider hate the foe of love, and for pride, we might say shame. In the case of pride versus shame, a good choice may very well be pride, every time.
I would gather, however, that your point is more along the lines of saying that "skin color" is irrelevant, and instead of pride, or shame, we should more properly be indifferent to it, or we would be "racist[s]".
To this point I have two responses:
Firstly, the concept of race cannot be reduced to the the feature of skin color, or any other single phenotypical expression. Race, more properly, refers to the heritage by which a person has come to exist. That is, the lineage from which they have derived the particulars of their being. As such, race is a crucial part of one's self.
We take pride, and love our race, in the same way we might love the parts of our body. Not exactly because of the way they look, compared to others (though that's innocuous enough), but because they are our parts. We don't feel shame for having our legs; we don't feel indifferent to owning our arms; we love and cherish our own lives, and feel proud, fortunate, and grateful to have been gifted them.
So it is with race. As we love our bodies, and our minds, we also love our genes, and our people. Our ancestors and our progeny. Our brothers and our cousins. We love them not because they are better, but because they are ours. We take pride in them not because they are superior, but because they are part of us; and we take pride in ourselves.
Secondly, if having "racial pride" is "racist", then it's OK to be racist. If all one means by racist is hateful, then say hateful. If all one means by racist is ignorant, then say ignorant. If all one means by racist is prejudiced, then say prejudiced. So if not all these things, then what does "racist" mean? Is it a person who believes races exist? Only in the case of whites. Is it a person who believes races are different? Yes, if they're white. Is it a person who prefers his own race over others? As long as they're white. Is it a person who is proud of being a member of his race? Definitely. If his race is the White race, that is.
The notion of "racism" is a weapon used against Whites by agents seeking to destabilize White nations. It is a vague/empty/nothing term, ready to be applied in any situation to instill shame in oneself, through the denigration of one's people. It's propaganda. It is successful propaganda. And we are trying to rid ourselves from it.
Through this inflicted propaganda, we have destroyed our history, taken down our heroes, and disparaged and trampled on the memories of our fore-bearers. We have done this ourselves, to our own being, because of fear of being racist, and lack of racial pride. Generosity, kindness, and heroism beyond any in the world, has not been enough to rid Whitekind of the shame of their "privilege". The atrocity of murder is a worse sin, when committed by a White person against a member of another race. Call it out, complain, mention it, or even "have it in your thoughts" when doing something else, and anything you do is forever marred by the stain of race "hate". If your White, of course.
All of it because of the propaganda of racism.
Racism is the whip and chains of our occupation, in the West, which is leading to our downfall.
And it only exists because we believe it.
They are lies. And they are empty.
I'm am proud to see this truth. I'm proud to be back, loving my people. And I'm proud to take pride in who I am, heritage and all.
I truly hope you take pride in your race one day too, and that you might consider these arguments in favor of it.
First off, your post really got me thinking to simplify my explanation as much as possible for a better foundation of what I believe so thanks for that.
Simply put, I find it destructive to collectivize "for" or "against" physical attributes. I think you picked up on this then wanted me to see the broader picture which I can appreciate but race carries the connotation of skin color. There are better words to associate with pride (if we must) such as cultural, ethnic, heritage, nationality, etc.
I love everything about myself and the life I lived to get to where I am today and I am grateful for everything that had to happen for me to be born. I respect traditions that are passed down and I evaluate which ones I appreciate most as well as incorporate other cultures'.
I'm not sold on the history of racism in the context given but I'm familiar with similar topics with that origination and intent.
I'll say this. Racism sucks. Overthinking it sucks. Overclassifying it sucks. Grouping people into these categories sucks because it pins them against each other. This is why collectivism based on physical attributes is a horrible idea. I can see how and why we'd be baited into it because we would love to preserve our heritage and culture, even nationality. However, assuming race is the same thing without recognizing the dire consequences of swearing allegiance to the skin color will become even more destructive via coup or false flags. There will be no escape from association. Furthermore, there's no point swearing allegiance to the color of your skin. It changes in the sun.
P.S. that last paragraph was just shooting from the hip because I've crafted the others above it over the course of hours with great comtemplation of your post with colleagues walking up and down my cube row. Don't take any offense to it.
I admit to some difficulty about knowing what best to respond to. But I appreciate the effort of carrying out a conversation, so I will do my best.
Initially, I would take issue with your insistence in the association of race, with skin color. Race, more properly, is to be understood as a much greater concept.
If we are to divide the human species into its constituent groupings, race would be the first large set of groups we make. Within races we might further down find ethnic groups. And within these, smaller groups we might call nations. Further down we might speak of villages, or enclaves, etc.
These groups developed naturally, on their own, through thousands of years of divergent evolution, which provided them with differing traits, among them skin color. Besides skin color, however, this isolated development had an impact on nearly every other human trait, whether physical, or mental, or emotional. Not enough time passed for these groups to have diverged too much though (they are still part of the same species), but it would be wrong to say they only have skin color as a difference. They have different mental capacities, behavioral proclivities, and internal makeup. They can be identified by their test scores, by their cultural facets, by the diseases they are susceptible to, and even by their fossilized remains.
So when we speak about race, we are not merely referring to some superficial, arbitrary distinction. Is is a reflection upon the path our ancestors took, through their history, up until the point we arrive at ourselves; how that path was not the only one taken by the many human groups; and that one is different from the others.
Nations, in this context, for example, are better understood as a group of people within a race that developed in isolation from other groups, and incurred differences associated with the land to which their generations were bred (think, Cherokee nation). Today, this concept has been degraded to a political entity, rather than biological, in the case of White Nations.
If race were just something arbitrary, I would agree "collectivizing" in its support would be "destructive", or at least unproductive. However, it is worth pointing out that people have collectivized under ideological banners throughout all of human history. Maybe you're a "capitalist", or an "individualist"; or maybe even a "communist". Maybe you're a "Christian", or a "Catholic"; or increasingly, these days, an "Atheist". Whatever these positions entail, and with whichever good the reasons they may have to do so, people group up (collectivize...) under these labels, even though the don't need to do so (...arbitrarily). We know they don't actually need to collectivize, because they often change their minds, and along with them, their affiliations.
But if we take race to be as I've defined it. You can't just choose not to be part of your race, anymore than you could choose not to be part of your species. So it isn't a matter of affiliation. Your bond is biological, and immutable. You are that which your race is.
Now, if some nefarious entity wished to alter this bond of race, in order to profit from its dissolution, or gain power in the turmoil, they would have to use highly sophisticated and pervasive propaganda. With enough coverage that it could change the perception of the majority of people as to what constitutes reality.
It turns out, that in modern times, this isn't so difficult. We often forget how powerful something like Television is, when it comes to altering our reality. Today, in Western countries, mass media is controlled by people with an Anti-White agenda. So is print media; so are the school systems; the universities; the entertainment industry; the churches.
While they can't truly ever break the bond we have to our race, they can distort our reality. They can have us believe races don't exist; or that they don't matter; or that it is evil to think of race (they push these messages only on Whites, in White nations). All the while, they push the "positives" of multiculturalism, and diversity; promote and force mass immigration schemes to White countries; and incentivize the furthering of minority populations, within White lands.
The confluence of differing racial groups occupying the same political space, inevitably leads to a battle of interests, and a fight among naturally (immutably) distinct groups.
These White nations, which have developed for thousands of years, and came to spread and conquer many new lands, have been infiltrated. And instead of using guns, our enemies are using psychology to have us destroy ourselves, and discard our heritage. And it has been working.
We forget who we are at our peril, and we can only fight back, once we recognize the truth of our natural bonds.
Human flourishing, for all races, can only occur in a state where independent homogeneous nations can be allowed to freely develop unperturbed and unburdened with each other.
I'm not denying the natural progression and existence of the race classification nor its usefulness but to swear allegiance to it is a different story. This is where we differ.
Our society is completely entrenched when correlating race with skin color. There's no escaping it. To deny that it is one of the first things that comes to mind for 90% of Americans would be almost ridiculous to believe.
Let's take your natural race progression example. White man and black man may have been under developed or developed differently at one time. Perhaps the white man was more developed. So the white man and black man weren't able to communicate or rationalize the same goals. They went their different ways. Fine.
However, that natural progression is more aligned with culture than it is skin color. Sure, the different ethnicities were conflicting with one another but that wasn't because of their skin color. The skin color was an attribute that helped everyone associate with one another. Their clashing ideas was a matter of culture.
This is the point. America is a melting pot, there's no denying this. I'm not pro-immigration and in fact I think we should stop taking in any immigrants until we solve the homeless problem. However, to pride ourselves on race while in this racially charged time only separates us more. Our society has, for the most part, gotten along and had an American/western culture to it. Whites, African Americans, Asians, Hispanics can all work together. Sure we may have pockets of poverty, gangs, etc. but I'm not talking about those. CULTURE should be our only concern of preservation. Preserving RACE is purely a defense mechanism triggered by anti-Zionists (intelligent people aware of their agenda) and those ignorant of the consequences. Since the Zionists want a mixed slave race, our natural position is to refuse the order of the Zionist. However, we do not rationally consider the consequences of promoting racial pride and separation. It is proven to degenerate America. If we're living in a different country where there are no mixed races and it's purely white, sure... go ahead and preserve that lifestyle to refute the inevitable political struggle. That is not my battle. My battle is America. We aren't going to deport non-white citizens.
Promoting pockets of racial pride is certainly not the answer, this will be a war zone by the time its done and that'll happen if us white people start encouraging more events like Charlottesville (before the false flag psyop). If you look into the truth of what happened at Charlottesville, you'll find that your solution will lead to more pride events like that which WILL and HAVE BEEN PROVEN to have false flag psyops to make the movement look bad. You're essentially creating a perfect false flag opportunity for the enemy with literally nothing to gain. In the end, the movement will get hijacked and everyone associated will have their legacy tarnished for generations. It's so easy to see...
I believe we're at the point of where we will need to agree to disagree but I encourage you to look into Charlottesville... how the woman that died was a different woman than the official story presented and she died from a heart attack (own mother said so), and how the truth tried to get out on the so-called free-speech platform Gab.ai then its registrar threatened 24h to take it down unless they suppressed evidence contradicting the official narrative... you'll see exactly how just the media alone can shape the narrative to destroy an entire movement. KK|< had its roots taken from under it and there was no going back. Dav1d Duk3 is a perfect example of a tarnished legacy destroyed forever. Hijacked.
Give consideration to how racial (instead of culture) pride has no benefit yet risks everything. One simple hijack = game over.
You are a well meaning person and I appreciate you taking the time to expound on and clarify your views. I will endeavor to clarify my own.
I am aware of the Charlottesville events, and I agree with your conclusion that given the state of White people in America, there are large risks to espousing racial pride, as long as you're White. While I see this as a sad situation, that Whites can't feel pride in their race within their own country, I agree that the state of their gaslighting makes it too volatile for anyone to dare say the taboo thing. Let's remember that the reason the Charlottesville event was so demonized, is because the Cabal, and Global interests want to maintain their campaign against White America. The event in Charlottesville sought to protest the taking down of a Robert E. Lee statue. Along with immigration to reduce White American numbers, they want to erase American History.
I suppose I would insist that this is a terrible state of affairs and that we must do what we can, talking to each other to rid ourselves of this self-defeating mindset.
I believe this is proper given what I take to be my own understanding of human nature, as it differs from your own.
I would suggest to you, to clarify the issue more definitively, that what races are, is an arrangement of diverging paths in the lineage of different human groups given their geographical isolation. These changes are marked by variances in DNA. Today, after hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, and the piling accumulation of different gene sequences, we find the existence of different human races, whose DNA is different from each other. Part of this DNA accounts for their different skin color. But that is the least of it. Other bits of DNA account for differences in much more important traits: like intelligence. Still other parts of our DNA are reflected in the way in which we form our societies, the languages we create, and the culture we come to produce. The gap between race and culture is not as it seems, and wherever you find people of one particular race in enough numbers to cal themselves a community, you will come to see the makings of a culture akin to their natural ways. So it is that blacks in Africa, America, Brazil, and Haiti express many of the same cultural traits. Similarly, Whites in South Africa, Argentina, and Sweden adopt similar customs, and organize their societies with the same instinctive tendencies. A very obvious example is the great amount of Chinese communities in nearly every developed country which are but a slice of China outside of Asia.
So it is clear to me that it is simply a mistake to think of race as something as inconsequential and superficial as skin color. Of course you can tell someone's race by their skin color, usually, but race is much more than this. And the numbers bare this out.
Take IQ, for example. IQ has been studied for over a hundred years now, in practically every country on earth, and the results have been ever consistent. Asians come out on top; Whites come second; and Blacks come last, when it comes to average IQ scores. Could you find a Black person smarter and a Japanese person? Of course. But randomly take a hundred of each, and the results will be replicated yet again.
It just so happens IQ is a very important trait. By the time the Europeans had figured out how to circumnavigate the Globe, in sub-Saharan Africa, there was no written language, wheel, or multi-story dwelling. Were there smart Blacks then, as smart as today? Sure. But the Black race doesn't produce high IQ people in enough numbers to manage the building of as high degree of civilization as either Europeans or Asians. It didn't then, and it still doesn't today.
And IQ isn't the only thing determined by DNA. Asians are by all accounts smarter than Whites, but something in the White makeup allows for philosophical thinking, and a type of creative expression that is lacking in the Asian brain. Blacks are seemingly unparalleled in athleticism, especially in matters of speed. These are all products of our DNA, and mark the differences between our races.
If we realize that we can expect, not only a different appearance from members of a different race, but also a different behavior on average, then we can understand why in places like America, where there are large populations of several races, their achievements seem to be so different. Why are blacks poorer? Ultimately, because their Black. Asians happen to be richer than Whites in America. And that's probably because their Asian. The violent crime race in America is often touted as a way to try and curtail gun ownership. But if we only take into account White violent crime, America is no different than any other European country, where guns are banned. As a matter of fact, if we take into consideration only Black crime, America would line up with other African countries in violent crime statistics.
These are the facts of life and how reality works, and when we understand it and accept it our experience of it becomes comprehensible, and everything fits into place.
American Whites, as well as other Whites around the world, have been victims, however, of a campaign of Cultural Marxism, where they try to blame the natural differences in achievement between Blacks and Whites on White Racism towards Blacks. Before this campaign the concept of racism as an injury from one group to another didn't exist. It is a form of propaganda used by the Cabal to induce guilt in Whites, and outrage in Blacks.
The ultimate point of having White pride is to break free of this spell, do away with it's influence, and accept reality. That way we can take away this weapon of the Cabal over our minds.
I would advocate we don't cower away from this effort, in fear of being attacked with this very weapon, because until we are willing to face the possible backlash, we will not come to disarm them. Let's remember that this weapon of theirs only works when we turn on each other. When we shun each other without hearing each other out.
I believe we can do better and we have been taking steps forward of late.
I will add that simply because races are different. Some smarter, some dumber. Some faster some slower. This does not mean that we ought to hate them, of course.
Ideally we would seek to preserve our differences, even when that means some might have cleverer countries than others, and that the Black countries will win all the Track medals in the Olympics.
Our natural state is to be with our own nations (races) in our own lands (countries), and this would be the best hope for our mutual flourishing. This is after all, how countries formed in the first place.
I don't however, advocate for the expulsion of citizens from their adopted lands. In places where the minority populations are small, like in Hungary or Japan, the minorities will get absorbed, or otherwise be forced to toe the majority line. In places like the US, where the minority populations are so large, there will linger a lasting tension, which might at least be ameliorated if we properly understand the actual effects of race on our behavior as groups and recognize these effects in our disparate outcomes as sectors of the population. If given true freedom of association (without relocation, busing, housing, quotas, etc) we might see these groups self segregating, as they had been doing before the advent of the Cultural Marxist campaign. And that might actually be best for all.
I hope you take this explanation on my part as well meaning, and you see where someone with my views is approaching the issue. I hope you also would consider the inherent truths of my position, as I claim them, and look into them further.
We deserve better than to be tricked and alienated from ourselves, and our biggest source of meaning: our blood, both past, and future.
I appreciate the conversation but I don't think there's any moving the goalpost for either of us. I'm not for racial pride since race carries the heavy connotation of skin color. There are better words to use.
So it is clear to me that it is simply a mistake to think of race as something as inconsequential and superficial as skin color.
Inconsequential is poorly used here because current events reflect the opposite. We're living in an era where race/skin color is politicized so heavily that it's detrimental to say 'all lives matter' rather than 'black lives matter.'
I acknowledge the differences in race and the stereotypes of their wholeness but I reject your conclusions on how/why non-whites are the way they are... and this warrants a different in-depth conversation that I won't indulge. Simply stated, correlation <> causation.
White Pride won't break free of any spell, it will encourage it. You will feel as though you're breaking free from their agenda then when you're swallowed up by the echo chamber you'll have no way out. Further division is inevitable, I'm not sure how you cannot foresee this. Your Utopian belief of this strategy will be way off mark when implemented because there will be no authority figure to respect. The only authority figure for this movement is Richard Spencer and he doesn't have a solid plan at all. I've heard him talk through it many times. He's more interested in more appearances and getting the word out than having an effective strategy. This movement has no leader and it will get hijacked.
Self-segregation is key but the question is why. I want to leave society but it has nothing to do with the color of my skin, it has to do with values. It is my belief that an honest movement to segregate with prosperity must address values and nothing else. You believe racial pride groups do this, I do not.
Mark my words, if White Pride catches on in America, an event (false flag or not, doesn't matter) will tarnish its reputation and those associated... forever. It's a disorganized solution that sets up the perfect storm for the enemy.
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16637745? ago
Posts like these are intended to hijack the movement to make us seem like white supremacists. People in The_Donald fell for a similar post, an Asian guy telling 'us' white people that he's proud of his race and we should be too. 5k+ upvotes.
Problem? Pride in skin color is no different than hatred toward skin color.
I know this is voat and n'er this, n'er that but this is the truth.
If you have racial pride, you're racist.
That all said, yes I'm a Q follower, white, male, married, and aware Jews rule the world.
Stay on track, do not fall into the trap of an imbecile.
16640592? ago
I appreciate your post, because though you oppose the notion of pride in race, you endeavor to engage with the argument earnestly. This is quite rare, and is commendable.
I, however, support the notion of racial pride and would like you to take into consideration my arguments regarding your opposition.
For the sake of clarification. I would suggest you are making a category mistake pitting pride antagonistically to hate. We might more accurately consider hate the foe of love, and for pride, we might say shame. In the case of pride versus shame, a good choice may very well be pride, every time.
I would gather, however, that your point is more along the lines of saying that "skin color" is irrelevant, and instead of pride, or shame, we should more properly be indifferent to it, or we would be "racist[s]".
To this point I have two responses:
Firstly, the concept of race cannot be reduced to the the feature of skin color, or any other single phenotypical expression. Race, more properly, refers to the heritage by which a person has come to exist. That is, the lineage from which they have derived the particulars of their being. As such, race is a crucial part of one's self.
We take pride, and love our race, in the same way we might love the parts of our body. Not exactly because of the way they look, compared to others (though that's innocuous enough), but because they are our parts. We don't feel shame for having our legs; we don't feel indifferent to owning our arms; we love and cherish our own lives, and feel proud, fortunate, and grateful to have been gifted them.
So it is with race. As we love our bodies, and our minds, we also love our genes, and our people. Our ancestors and our progeny. Our brothers and our cousins. We love them not because they are better, but because they are ours. We take pride in them not because they are superior, but because they are part of us; and we take pride in ourselves.
Secondly, if having "racial pride" is "racist", then it's OK to be racist. If all one means by racist is hateful, then say hateful. If all one means by racist is ignorant, then say ignorant. If all one means by racist is prejudiced, then say prejudiced. So if not all these things, then what does "racist" mean? Is it a person who believes races exist? Only in the case of whites. Is it a person who believes races are different? Yes, if they're white. Is it a person who prefers his own race over others? As long as they're white. Is it a person who is proud of being a member of his race? Definitely. If his race is the White race, that is.
The notion of "racism" is a weapon used against Whites by agents seeking to destabilize White nations. It is a vague/empty/nothing term, ready to be applied in any situation to instill shame in oneself, through the denigration of one's people. It's propaganda. It is successful propaganda. And we are trying to rid ourselves from it.
Through this inflicted propaganda, we have destroyed our history, taken down our heroes, and disparaged and trampled on the memories of our fore-bearers. We have done this ourselves, to our own being, because of fear of being racist, and lack of racial pride. Generosity, kindness, and heroism beyond any in the world, has not been enough to rid Whitekind of the shame of their "privilege". The atrocity of murder is a worse sin, when committed by a White person against a member of another race. Call it out, complain, mention it, or even "have it in your thoughts" when doing something else, and anything you do is forever marred by the stain of race "hate". If your White, of course.
All of it because of the propaganda of racism.
Racism is the whip and chains of our occupation, in the West, which is leading to our downfall.
And it only exists because we believe it.
They are lies. And they are empty.
I'm am proud to see this truth. I'm proud to be back, loving my people. And I'm proud to take pride in who I am, heritage and all.
I truly hope you take pride in your race one day too, and that you might consider these arguments in favor of it.
16642633? ago
First off, your post really got me thinking to simplify my explanation as much as possible for a better foundation of what I believe so thanks for that.
Simply put, I find it destructive to collectivize "for" or "against" physical attributes. I think you picked up on this then wanted me to see the broader picture which I can appreciate but race carries the connotation of skin color. There are better words to associate with pride (if we must) such as cultural, ethnic, heritage, nationality, etc.
I love everything about myself and the life I lived to get to where I am today and I am grateful for everything that had to happen for me to be born. I respect traditions that are passed down and I evaluate which ones I appreciate most as well as incorporate other cultures'.
I'm not sold on the history of racism in the context given but I'm familiar with similar topics with that origination and intent.
I'll say this. Racism sucks. Overthinking it sucks. Overclassifying it sucks. Grouping people into these categories sucks because it pins them against each other. This is why collectivism based on physical attributes is a horrible idea. I can see how and why we'd be baited into it because we would love to preserve our heritage and culture, even nationality. However, assuming race is the same thing without recognizing the dire consequences of swearing allegiance to the skin color will become even more destructive via coup or false flags. There will be no escape from association. Furthermore, there's no point swearing allegiance to the color of your skin. It changes in the sun.
P.S. that last paragraph was just shooting from the hip because I've crafted the others above it over the course of hours with great comtemplation of your post with colleagues walking up and down my cube row. Don't take any offense to it.
16654699? ago
I admit to some difficulty about knowing what best to respond to. But I appreciate the effort of carrying out a conversation, so I will do my best.
Initially, I would take issue with your insistence in the association of race, with skin color. Race, more properly, is to be understood as a much greater concept.
If we are to divide the human species into its constituent groupings, race would be the first large set of groups we make. Within races we might further down find ethnic groups. And within these, smaller groups we might call nations. Further down we might speak of villages, or enclaves, etc.
These groups developed naturally, on their own, through thousands of years of divergent evolution, which provided them with differing traits, among them skin color. Besides skin color, however, this isolated development had an impact on nearly every other human trait, whether physical, or mental, or emotional. Not enough time passed for these groups to have diverged too much though (they are still part of the same species), but it would be wrong to say they only have skin color as a difference. They have different mental capacities, behavioral proclivities, and internal makeup. They can be identified by their test scores, by their cultural facets, by the diseases they are susceptible to, and even by their fossilized remains.
So when we speak about race, we are not merely referring to some superficial, arbitrary distinction. Is is a reflection upon the path our ancestors took, through their history, up until the point we arrive at ourselves; how that path was not the only one taken by the many human groups; and that one is different from the others.
Nations, in this context, for example, are better understood as a group of people within a race that developed in isolation from other groups, and incurred differences associated with the land to which their generations were bred (think, Cherokee nation). Today, this concept has been degraded to a political entity, rather than biological, in the case of White Nations.
If race were just something arbitrary, I would agree "collectivizing" in its support would be "destructive", or at least unproductive. However, it is worth pointing out that people have collectivized under ideological banners throughout all of human history. Maybe you're a "capitalist", or an "individualist"; or maybe even a "communist". Maybe you're a "Christian", or a "Catholic"; or increasingly, these days, an "Atheist". Whatever these positions entail, and with whichever good the reasons they may have to do so, people group up (collectivize...) under these labels, even though the don't need to do so (...arbitrarily). We know they don't actually need to collectivize, because they often change their minds, and along with them, their affiliations.
But if we take race to be as I've defined it. You can't just choose not to be part of your race, anymore than you could choose not to be part of your species. So it isn't a matter of affiliation. Your bond is biological, and immutable. You are that which your race is.
Now, if some nefarious entity wished to alter this bond of race, in order to profit from its dissolution, or gain power in the turmoil, they would have to use highly sophisticated and pervasive propaganda. With enough coverage that it could change the perception of the majority of people as to what constitutes reality.
It turns out, that in modern times, this isn't so difficult. We often forget how powerful something like Television is, when it comes to altering our reality. Today, in Western countries, mass media is controlled by people with an Anti-White agenda. So is print media; so are the school systems; the universities; the entertainment industry; the churches.
While they can't truly ever break the bond we have to our race, they can distort our reality. They can have us believe races don't exist; or that they don't matter; or that it is evil to think of race (they push these messages only on Whites, in White nations). All the while, they push the "positives" of multiculturalism, and diversity; promote and force mass immigration schemes to White countries; and incentivize the furthering of minority populations, within White lands.
The confluence of differing racial groups occupying the same political space, inevitably leads to a battle of interests, and a fight among naturally (immutably) distinct groups.
These White nations, which have developed for thousands of years, and came to spread and conquer many new lands, have been infiltrated. And instead of using guns, our enemies are using psychology to have us destroy ourselves, and discard our heritage. And it has been working.
We forget who we are at our peril, and we can only fight back, once we recognize the truth of our natural bonds.
Human flourishing, for all races, can only occur in a state where independent homogeneous nations can be allowed to freely develop unperturbed and unburdened with each other.
16778896? ago
Work's been busy. To respond:
I'm not denying the natural progression and existence of the race classification nor its usefulness but to swear allegiance to it is a different story. This is where we differ.
Our society is completely entrenched when correlating race with skin color. There's no escaping it. To deny that it is one of the first things that comes to mind for 90% of Americans would be almost ridiculous to believe.
Let's take your natural race progression example. White man and black man may have been under developed or developed differently at one time. Perhaps the white man was more developed. So the white man and black man weren't able to communicate or rationalize the same goals. They went their different ways. Fine.
However, that natural progression is more aligned with culture than it is skin color. Sure, the different ethnicities were conflicting with one another but that wasn't because of their skin color. The skin color was an attribute that helped everyone associate with one another. Their clashing ideas was a matter of culture.
This is the point. America is a melting pot, there's no denying this. I'm not pro-immigration and in fact I think we should stop taking in any immigrants until we solve the homeless problem. However, to pride ourselves on race while in this racially charged time only separates us more. Our society has, for the most part, gotten along and had an American/western culture to it. Whites, African Americans, Asians, Hispanics can all work together. Sure we may have pockets of poverty, gangs, etc. but I'm not talking about those. CULTURE should be our only concern of preservation. Preserving RACE is purely a defense mechanism triggered by anti-Zionists (intelligent people aware of their agenda) and those ignorant of the consequences. Since the Zionists want a mixed slave race, our natural position is to refuse the order of the Zionist. However, we do not rationally consider the consequences of promoting racial pride and separation. It is proven to degenerate America. If we're living in a different country where there are no mixed races and it's purely white, sure... go ahead and preserve that lifestyle to refute the inevitable political struggle. That is not my battle. My battle is America. We aren't going to deport non-white citizens.
Promoting pockets of racial pride is certainly not the answer, this will be a war zone by the time its done and that'll happen if us white people start encouraging more events like Charlottesville (before the false flag psyop). If you look into the truth of what happened at Charlottesville, you'll find that your solution will lead to more pride events like that which WILL and HAVE BEEN PROVEN to have false flag psyops to make the movement look bad. You're essentially creating a perfect false flag opportunity for the enemy with literally nothing to gain. In the end, the movement will get hijacked and everyone associated will have their legacy tarnished for generations. It's so easy to see...
I believe we're at the point of where we will need to agree to disagree but I encourage you to look into Charlottesville... how the woman that died was a different woman than the official story presented and she died from a heart attack (own mother said so), and how the truth tried to get out on the so-called free-speech platform Gab.ai then its registrar threatened 24h to take it down unless they suppressed evidence contradicting the official narrative... you'll see exactly how just the media alone can shape the narrative to destroy an entire movement. KK|< had its roots taken from under it and there was no going back. Dav1d Duk3 is a perfect example of a tarnished legacy destroyed forever. Hijacked.
Give consideration to how racial (instead of culture) pride has no benefit yet risks everything. One simple hijack = game over.
16784673? ago
You are a well meaning person and I appreciate you taking the time to expound on and clarify your views. I will endeavor to clarify my own.
I am aware of the Charlottesville events, and I agree with your conclusion that given the state of White people in America, there are large risks to espousing racial pride, as long as you're White. While I see this as a sad situation, that Whites can't feel pride in their race within their own country, I agree that the state of their gaslighting makes it too volatile for anyone to dare say the taboo thing. Let's remember that the reason the Charlottesville event was so demonized, is because the Cabal, and Global interests want to maintain their campaign against White America. The event in Charlottesville sought to protest the taking down of a Robert E. Lee statue. Along with immigration to reduce White American numbers, they want to erase American History.
I suppose I would insist that this is a terrible state of affairs and that we must do what we can, talking to each other to rid ourselves of this self-defeating mindset.
I believe this is proper given what I take to be my own understanding of human nature, as it differs from your own.
I would suggest to you, to clarify the issue more definitively, that what races are, is an arrangement of diverging paths in the lineage of different human groups given their geographical isolation. These changes are marked by variances in DNA. Today, after hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, and the piling accumulation of different gene sequences, we find the existence of different human races, whose DNA is different from each other. Part of this DNA accounts for their different skin color. But that is the least of it. Other bits of DNA account for differences in much more important traits: like intelligence. Still other parts of our DNA are reflected in the way in which we form our societies, the languages we create, and the culture we come to produce. The gap between race and culture is not as it seems, and wherever you find people of one particular race in enough numbers to cal themselves a community, you will come to see the makings of a culture akin to their natural ways. So it is that blacks in Africa, America, Brazil, and Haiti express many of the same cultural traits. Similarly, Whites in South Africa, Argentina, and Sweden adopt similar customs, and organize their societies with the same instinctive tendencies. A very obvious example is the great amount of Chinese communities in nearly every developed country which are but a slice of China outside of Asia.
So it is clear to me that it is simply a mistake to think of race as something as inconsequential and superficial as skin color. Of course you can tell someone's race by their skin color, usually, but race is much more than this. And the numbers bare this out.
Take IQ, for example. IQ has been studied for over a hundred years now, in practically every country on earth, and the results have been ever consistent. Asians come out on top; Whites come second; and Blacks come last, when it comes to average IQ scores. Could you find a Black person smarter and a Japanese person? Of course. But randomly take a hundred of each, and the results will be replicated yet again.
It just so happens IQ is a very important trait. By the time the Europeans had figured out how to circumnavigate the Globe, in sub-Saharan Africa, there was no written language, wheel, or multi-story dwelling. Were there smart Blacks then, as smart as today? Sure. But the Black race doesn't produce high IQ people in enough numbers to manage the building of as high degree of civilization as either Europeans or Asians. It didn't then, and it still doesn't today.
And IQ isn't the only thing determined by DNA. Asians are by all accounts smarter than Whites, but something in the White makeup allows for philosophical thinking, and a type of creative expression that is lacking in the Asian brain. Blacks are seemingly unparalleled in athleticism, especially in matters of speed. These are all products of our DNA, and mark the differences between our races.
If we realize that we can expect, not only a different appearance from members of a different race, but also a different behavior on average, then we can understand why in places like America, where there are large populations of several races, their achievements seem to be so different. Why are blacks poorer? Ultimately, because their Black. Asians happen to be richer than Whites in America. And that's probably because their Asian. The violent crime race in America is often touted as a way to try and curtail gun ownership. But if we only take into account White violent crime, America is no different than any other European country, where guns are banned. As a matter of fact, if we take into consideration only Black crime, America would line up with other African countries in violent crime statistics.
These are the facts of life and how reality works, and when we understand it and accept it our experience of it becomes comprehensible, and everything fits into place.
American Whites, as well as other Whites around the world, have been victims, however, of a campaign of Cultural Marxism, where they try to blame the natural differences in achievement between Blacks and Whites on White Racism towards Blacks. Before this campaign the concept of racism as an injury from one group to another didn't exist. It is a form of propaganda used by the Cabal to induce guilt in Whites, and outrage in Blacks.
The ultimate point of having White pride is to break free of this spell, do away with it's influence, and accept reality. That way we can take away this weapon of the Cabal over our minds.
I would advocate we don't cower away from this effort, in fear of being attacked with this very weapon, because until we are willing to face the possible backlash, we will not come to disarm them. Let's remember that this weapon of theirs only works when we turn on each other. When we shun each other without hearing each other out.
I believe we can do better and we have been taking steps forward of late.
I will add that simply because races are different. Some smarter, some dumber. Some faster some slower. This does not mean that we ought to hate them, of course.
Ideally we would seek to preserve our differences, even when that means some might have cleverer countries than others, and that the Black countries will win all the Track medals in the Olympics.
Our natural state is to be with our own nations (races) in our own lands (countries), and this would be the best hope for our mutual flourishing. This is after all, how countries formed in the first place.
I don't however, advocate for the expulsion of citizens from their adopted lands. In places where the minority populations are small, like in Hungary or Japan, the minorities will get absorbed, or otherwise be forced to toe the majority line. In places like the US, where the minority populations are so large, there will linger a lasting tension, which might at least be ameliorated if we properly understand the actual effects of race on our behavior as groups and recognize these effects in our disparate outcomes as sectors of the population. If given true freedom of association (without relocation, busing, housing, quotas, etc) we might see these groups self segregating, as they had been doing before the advent of the Cultural Marxist campaign. And that might actually be best for all.
I hope you take this explanation on my part as well meaning, and you see where someone with my views is approaching the issue. I hope you also would consider the inherent truths of my position, as I claim them, and look into them further.
We deserve better than to be tricked and alienated from ourselves, and our biggest source of meaning: our blood, both past, and future.
16866459? ago
I appreciate the conversation but I don't think there's any moving the goalpost for either of us. I'm not for racial pride since race carries the heavy connotation of skin color. There are better words to use.
Inconsequential is poorly used here because current events reflect the opposite. We're living in an era where race/skin color is politicized so heavily that it's detrimental to say 'all lives matter' rather than 'black lives matter.'
I acknowledge the differences in race and the stereotypes of their wholeness but I reject your conclusions on how/why non-whites are the way they are... and this warrants a different in-depth conversation that I won't indulge. Simply stated, correlation <> causation.
White Pride won't break free of any spell, it will encourage it. You will feel as though you're breaking free from their agenda then when you're swallowed up by the echo chamber you'll have no way out. Further division is inevitable, I'm not sure how you cannot foresee this. Your Utopian belief of this strategy will be way off mark when implemented because there will be no authority figure to respect. The only authority figure for this movement is Richard Spencer and he doesn't have a solid plan at all. I've heard him talk through it many times. He's more interested in more appearances and getting the word out than having an effective strategy. This movement has no leader and it will get hijacked.
Self-segregation is key but the question is why. I want to leave society but it has nothing to do with the color of my skin, it has to do with values. It is my belief that an honest movement to segregate with prosperity must address values and nothing else. You believe racial pride groups do this, I do not.
Mark my words, if White Pride catches on in America, an event (false flag or not, doesn't matter) will tarnish its reputation and those associated... forever. It's a disorganized solution that sets up the perfect storm for the enemy.
16642348? ago
Very well stated