There is a story that needs to be told. It pertains to what happened at Reddit BEFORE reddit stepped to shut down ALL Q-supporting subreddits.
The following is part of that story. It is relevant because we need UNITY but we need it through TRUTH, OPENNESS, and CLARITY. We are supposed to fight the Swamp, not mimic it.
The REDDIT progrom has given to numerous developments. One is the establishment of v/theawakening (v/TA) at VOAT, another is the patriotsawoken board at 8chan, another yet is the division and disturbance that the movement of r/greatawakening (r/GA) to v/theawakening generated within the VOAT community and Q patriots community in general.
Part of the issues related to that ‘division and disturbance’ include: a) the methodology chosen by the mod team at r/greatawakening (as a whole) in running r/greatawakening, b) the methodology chosen by the same mod team in creating and then running v/awakening.
Methods at r/greatawakening
Division and disturbance existed before reddit was shut down and r/GA ‘migrated’ to VOAT. Without going into details, a conflict (hereafter, the conflict) – difference of opinion – arose between mods of GA over certain actions and the priorities they reflected, namely how the top mod (hereafter, ‘head mod’) was running the mod team, including how new mods were recruited and how mod staff were being used, and the qualifications of certain new mod staff being put in place (hereafter, the acts). Eventually, when discussions and dialog could not resolve the conflict, a key mod (hereafter, ‘dissenting mod’) resigned and moved to establish an alternative subreddit. It is worth noting that the dissenting mod had perhaps the longest history of reddit experience and ‘awakening’-type (MAGA) work of the entire mod team.
When questions were raised about the ‘conflict’ and the matter at hand on GA, steps were then taken by the GA mod team, now operating unopposed under the head mod, to block all discussion of the matter, ostensibly because it put the head mod ‘in a bad light’. Posts were removed, and dissenters who objected were often banned. No open discussion of the matters was permitted, and the community at GA was by and large kept in the dark about the nature of the conflict and the issues of disagreement. (hereafter, ‘the response’)
After a new Q subreddit (r/The_GreatAwakening, hereafter TGA) was created as an alternative to GA, mention of this new subreddit was also prohibited on GA, as was linking to the new subreddit or any related subreddits who were discussing ‘the conflict’ and ‘the acts’ and now, ‘the response’. Including a link to any dissenting subreddits in a post or comment on GA caused the post or comment in question to be auto-deleted.
Shortly after these steps to suppress any mention of dissent or any discussion of ‘the issues’ on GA were implemented, the GA mods now too steps to lump these loyal Q subreddits like TGA, etc., with shill and troll subreddits like Top Minds Of Reddit (TMOR), a sub completely hostile to Q and Trump. Subscribers to GA who visited these subs (that is TGA, TSW, or TMOR, etc) were either banned, or given an in sub user flair ‘untrustworthy’, whereupon they could only remove this UNTRUSTWORTHY flair if and when they offered a loyalty pledge to the moderating team at GA.
While GA continued to grow in the number of subscribers (official Reddit figures were 50K at August 1 to around 70K by Sept 15), TGA also grew quickly, from 0 subscribers to 4000 subscribers in one month. Many disgruntled former users of GA joined TGA, preferring the ethos of that sub.
This is the juncture at which REDDIT stepped in and shut down all q-related subs on Reddit. Denizens of VOAT know the rest. Due also to the inbuilt transparency of VOAT system, many patriots know about the acts of the GA modding team on VOAT and the division and discord that have arisen therefrom.
This unfolding of events is troubling, not so much because there are dissenting views. After all, Q’s whole work is about sovereign individuals (we, the people) learning, researching, choosing, and making up their own minds about what is going on in the USA and around the world. Freedom of thought, not behaving like sheep, critical thinking, and personal choice about what extent to investigate and know the truth.
Dissenting views have been a critical aspect of the Q research board, where anons freely engage and call out ‘bullshit’ when they see it, where open information is the currency and no cows are sacred.
What is so troubling about the recent division and disturbances that arose centering on Greatawakening subreddit is that the causes (the issues, the conflict, the acts, the response) were NOT subject to open scrutiny by the community of patriots. The largest Q-supporting forum on REDDIT came to adopt a policy of suppressing facts in the name of protecting ‘newbies’ and established the head mod (whose actions or choices could not be openly discussed for fear of putting her ‘in a bad light’) and the whole mod team itself as a sacred cow itself.
In the middle of a war, all sorts of problems can arise. We are all wary of spies, knowing that our enemies walk in our midst. This can make things very touchy, and people reactive.
For some, the goings on at GA mod team, their choices and actions were disturbing and disconcerting. Some saw this as evidence that they had been infiltrated and compromised by black hats. Others saw it merely as astoundingly poor judgment and bad character.
But the vast majority of subscribers to GA were completely unaware of this. In a time where we are fighting a corrupt and evil deep state system that has worked in the dark and used suppression of information, is it any wonder that many are worried that governance and administration of the one of the most important and critical Q forums was being run using similar methods?
Even if the motivation is different, the methodology being employed should be a wake up call for anyone, not the least the mods themselves, who, until proven otherwise, we must assume are acting out of ignorance and short-sightedness.
When Q exhorts us to remain united, and cautions us that they seek to divide us, this is what Q is pointing too. We must assume good faith and good motivation on the part of patriots who through their dedicated and effort have show they not only want to support Q, but who have put their money where their mouth is. HOWEVER, we cannot, in the same breath, turn a blind eye to glaring mistakes in judgment, to unsustainable and divisive methods, or set up sacred cows. We must not lynch each other on one hand, but we must also be allowed to question, challenge and discuss ANY institution set up by patriots for a patriotic purpose. We cannot tear each other down, but we must not recycle the destructive methods used by evil and unwittingly allow the spirit of suppression and elitism to compromise our movement going forward.
What are the lessons here? What should we take away?
As patriots, we must realize that it is WE who must remain vigilant, and we must not allow others, no matter how well-meaning in their intention, to assume to be gatekeepers and truth-holders that we must follow without question or challenge.
Q models this for us. Q serves at the pleasure of the President, and the President serves at the pleasure of the people. The citizens of USA chose Donald J. Trump, and he shows in all his actions that he knows HE is the servant, and the people, the owners of this land.
The Mods at GA forgot this important lesson. Instead of turning to the GA community when the issues, the conflict arose and the acts raised to attention, they chose instead to turn inward, and make choices ‘for the good of the whole’ but without letting we, the subscribers of GA know, or have input. And remember, by late June, when all of this erupted at Reddit, the subscriber base at GA was officially 40,000 patriots, and the vast majority of these, perhaps around 80%, were not newbies or normies by any means, but had, in fact, become veterans in Q research and veteran soldiers of the Great Awakening.
The lesson for the mods of GA in all this is this: they need to disavow themselves of the notion that they are elite or that they are somehow gatekeepers. The intense drubbing they received at VOAT really was an opportunity for them to be truly transparent, reflect, and make different choices, instead of doubling down. When any group thinks we are too important to fail, and we must make the choices of people for their own sake, because they cannot, then that group is on a path to corruption.
The real danger here is to the soul, not the Q movement. We ALL trust in Q, and trust that Q knows, and will rectify any problems in due course. But for each of us, and for the mods from the former GA subreddit, the choices we make about how we handle our responsibilities – voluntary or otherwise – will impact on our character, and our destinies, as individuals.
Epilogue.
It is truly sad that the behavior of the former mods at GA have precipitated such division and disturbance in the Q patriot community. However, the solution to this is not to ignore the problems, and the solution is not to blame the dissenters. Openness, and trust. The former mods including the former head mod and the dissenting ex-mod and indeed pre-pogrom exiles from GA must, at some point, bury the hatchet, and revisit things while they have a chance.
The patriotic community must be trusted, and this means, the mods all need to come clean. If not, hiding up the causal issues, and the choices that were made then, will only cause that content to fester and make things harder in the long run.
If we are not an open and trusting community, we are nothing. This is, after all, a war, and a spiritual war at that. HOW we do things is every bit as important as WHY we do things.
14027278? ago
Thank you, this is an excellent recap of those issues. Hopefully we can now come together and share news/intel with each other and continue to support our community.
14017731? ago
Everyone needs to give this mod drama a fucking rest. Make your subs and if people like it they will come back. I am sick of these "mods are comped" statements without any evidence given. Trying to run an orderly sub is not a sign of compromise. Most of the complaints over at reddit about compromised mods just seemed like individuals getting butt hurt because they got a post deleted. My opinion was that r/ga wasn't strict enough and the place got away from what it was supposed to be. But even then I thought the mods did a good thankless. It was the one Q refered to on reddit and my go to place for Q.
14003867? ago
Her?
14005113? ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/draintheswamp/comments/943qbe
https://www.reddit.com/r/draintheswamp/comments/94vv6k
14004764? ago
Yep.
14003286? ago
Thank you for clarifying what exactly happened over in Reddit and with the move to VOAT. Something was amiss. I would like to thank FoT for believing in my patriotism.
14040155? ago
Fart on Toast is a shill. If you can't see that, I feel genuinely sorry for you.
14001891? ago
Eggs in one basket, comes to mind. Also, if you fail to plan, plan to fail.
I was one of the several XXX who was originally on the Discord channel. During that time, there were a few who were discussing moving to a generalized server, at one point. Don't know, if it actually happened, my LIFE got into the way...so I have been a lurker, since then...dropping a few crumbs here and there.
My point in all of this, was GA was a focal point, which grew, but there was no alternate. No back up! Mind you this was ALL on REDDITs platform, no other source. Yes there was 8ch, but that itself was more of a INFORMATION ONLY platform, not for what REDDITs Platform does...Which is why it was controlled and squashed like bug.
The key factor is THE CLOUD...It's not your nor mine to control.
Thoughts?
14000648? ago
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13999719? ago
Q himself has called out namefags and famefags in the past, when the old BO himself had the audacity to call Q "false" and then stated that he was a "fake Q". (I refer to Q drop #472 in this instance on qmap.pub).
13991195? ago
Keep up the good fight. I am deeply grateful for all of the hard work put in by those with research and tech skills to hold the integrity of the movement together.I’ve been on this ride since the beginning and they can’t shake me off as long as there are fellow patriots like you.
13979535? ago
Instead of "bury the hatchet" i'm going to say just make them irrelevant. Give them no real power ..then they're just another group of shills trying to chip away at an invincible foundation (because shills they were). I'm not looking for unity with those that sought to silence us. We Anons are the unity. They are enemy combatants.
13976753? ago
You are really trying hard to point fingers, and in chan terms, you are fucking glowing brightly. I really suggest you stop while you are ahead, faggot glowshill. GTFO!
13973866? ago
Let us all remember being a MOD is tough, unpaid work. They have to constantly battle shills, keep the bots at bay, protect their subverse from forces trying to sow division and dissension. Not easy. So I simply think we are all humans trying to do our best and I cut everyone a little slack leaving the "he said, She said" crap and drama out of my experience of learning.
13982228? ago
The mods at r/GA were working hard to keep good info out. While at the same time keeping bad info in. I saw it. They allowed the doxxing and harassment of s8n. That is partly why the sub got shut down. Every single "leader" in this movement was working hard alright. They were working hard to cause infighting, distraction, and division. Who cares about he said she said.
Be careful who you follow took on a whole new meaning. But, now we are here. Fully anonymous and more transparency. Now we can get back to work on what IS important and leave the drama and BS behind.
14040201? ago
Apparently not since people are still posting it and you're still responding to it and feeding them.
14044440? ago
What in the heck are you talking about?
13973054? ago
If we are not an open and trusting community, we are nothing. This is, after all, a war, and a spiritual war at that. HOW we do things is every bit as important as WHY we do things.
Maintaining integrity is of the UTMOST IMPORTANCE. We must all remain vigilant and keep a watchful eye on those that wish to infiltrate with bad intentions. This movement can not afford to appear as if it's untrustworthy. My hope is that Qanon will intervene if it begins to happen.
The last thing we need in censorship!! Mod or not. We need to be responsible on every platform!! We are not violent. We do not all row the same boat either.
No one should decide for me what I can and can not see. It takes away my right to discern for myself what I feel is relevant and what I pass on.
I'm hopeful we will stay united, no matter where we are! XOXO
13971931? ago
This whole story of the "differences" between the r/GA 'mods' and one 'mod' with 'more experience' being 'suppressed' by those 'mods' and yadda,yadda,yadda...YAAAAWN which led to the creation of r/T_GA and r/TSW was an artificially created war used to split r/GA. The 'mods' of r/GA acting in concert with this 'suppresed' mod to derail the innevitable momentum being gathered by more and more people learning about and discussing Q in r/GA. The 'mod' that created those splinters of r/GA, the one probably writing this post, is as compromised as all the 'mods' of r/GA were to begin with. I witnessed the excrement storm created by the 'mods' and 'influencers' leading the r/efugees migration to VOAT and the controlled chaos it caused. Unfortunately the mods at v/GA who tried to be welcoming were apparently unprepared for the mayhem led by the pied pipers from r/GA but instead of posting once about it, continuing to concentrate on the content at v/GA, and letting chips fall were they had to fall; mods at v/GA seemed either to lack the discipline to disconnect from the excrement storm intentionally created by the r/efugees or are themselves also compromised and actively contributing to the organized mayhem created by the r/GA 'mods' and ' influencers' together with the 'mods' of the two Q related r/splinter groups whom this post makes mention. The mods at v/GA contributed to the controlled chaos by engaging for an unnecessary long period of time with the 'mods' and other pied pipers of r/GA, posting repetitively about it and wasting time and effort which could have been devoted to making content at v/GA robust by discussing and analyzing Q drops which is after all why people join Q related discussion boards be it r/GA or v/GA. As I have witnessed all this beginning from the splinter of r/GA in reddit a few weeks before it was nuked to the storm created here on VOAT I understand why Q hasn't sided with any 'mod'. All mods are either compromised to begin with or corruptible. The Q movement is an organic movement, its people coming together in a quest for truth, acting independently but in concert with others. The Q movement is about exercising together our individual freedoms to search for trurh and demand our rights together. The Q movement is not about having people curate content for us (mods), it is not about having those people 'digest' information for us, it is not about following 'influencers', and it is certainly not about creating safe 'spaces'. The Q movement is a gathering of independent, freedom seeking individuals acting in concert for the common goal of making our country great again.
14321981? ago
What a bunch of hogwash. @srayzie is being very unfairly depicted, under the guise of everyone being an asshole. I hope Q followers don't fall for this shit.
13981954? ago
I agree! I watched it myself. It seems to me that the "fight" between ALL of the mods was orchestrated.
I am thinking this sub is probably the best place for us. Keeping names out of it. With the anonymity no one is above the other. No one can be led down the wrong path, so to speak. We need to be our own leaders. We need to discern for ourselves.
Even if the mods here are not on our side, I think we have enough transparency here to see that.
There are no "safe spaces". We are not snowflakes in this storm. We don't need no stinkin safe space. I'm glad we have a place for ALL of us to be together. I hope everyone following Q takes advantage of this.
Good post anon!
13990530? ago
THIS!!!
13971879? ago
Even if HRC in person would be a mod here as long nothing gets censored, WHO CARES? By the way if you compare v/QRV with v/TheAwakening after a few hours, their removed submission and comment history was already full.
13971305? ago
Easiest way is to wait a couple of days and see what happens. I have no way of knowing that all the mods on GA were comped, or only a few
13971051? ago
Well said. Thank you for posting this.
13971024? ago
OP is the truth
13969466? ago
Your post is long, and I don't see your point. QRV is created because Q requested the Board Owner of qresearch to setup a Voat for Reddit Users that was censored by Reddit https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3129851.html#3130330 Q then followed up with the link to this Voat group https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3131433.html#3131643 So this is not Reddit moderators. It's operated by the BO from 8chan qresearch.
13967814? ago
New mods, job done. Trustworthy BO. Anon = no name fags. Brilliant as expected.
We are back in business anon!
13979791? ago
Conflicting things here. Some saying old reddit mods were inserted to this subverse? I wasn't under that impression initially now trying to find a sure answer.
13981128? ago
I was too. But you know what it doesn't really matter anymore. No group is feeding us content or telling us how to think inside a box (metaphorically). There are no names so ego's aren't an issue and gangs can't easily gang up to down vote or follow and harass. We are anons now and can check a ton of crap at the door. At least that's how I see it. Lots of benefits all around for us and the anons on 8chan. We should give it a chance to fly. So post up some intelligent content! We have a new BO and we should be ready to go kick some evil ass!
13967617? ago
Thanks for explaining at least part of the conflict. For those that say this is too long of a post .... guess they don't every buy a book either.
13967360? ago
This is utter bullshit. Q knows where we stood on this. You've taken an external, incomplete view of the situation and made up a story about us, the mods of r/GA. If r/GA was so comped Q wouldn't have kept linking to it and people in the community wouldn't have kept acknowledging their gratitude for the effort we put in to keeping the sub alive. We never sought fame or glory and were the opposite of elite. No person in the mod team had any thought close to: "we are too important to fail, and we must make the choices of people for their own sake, because they cannot". This is a clown narrative. You've described a situation without any knowledge of what was actually occurring and without any knowledge of the people involved or their motivations.
13970046? ago
i think Q would definitely still link to it.. considering it was a MAJOR hub for the community.. much larger than 8ch most of the time. The problem was.. after r/GA was shut down.. the community was scattered to 7 or 8 different reddit/voat.. and most of them were dead af because of the echoing hallways.
How do we fix this? Q only promotes 1 board (other than 8ch) [reddit replacement] which BO can open himself, since he's the closest thing we have to Q opening an 'official' QResearchVoat.
Don't get all high and mighty though homie... obviously something went wrong. accept it. move on. we have.
13970858? ago
You have no idea how happy I am to move on, homie. I just don't accept lies about our motivations. I don't know what you think is so high and mighty about that.
13971764? ago
no i wouldn't accept lies either, i suppose I would do the same thing in your shoes. but from outside looking in... /ga was shut down. there were hella small communities.. no OFFICIAL Qommunity (outside 8ch) and all the refugee traffic was slowing shit down baaaad. Q needed a voat[specifically because ga is GONE] so he got BO to make it. Makes sense to me... I'm still missing the part where your drama still matters? its not like you were fired bro.
13969966? ago
Let's break this down a bit shall we?
Firstly 'If r/GA was so comped' - so the first point is, GA was not 'so comped'. It was distorted, and diverging from solid moderating principles. That's all. It was not invaded by clowns (as far as I know, and still believe). It was subject to some ego-driven reasoning. It served its mission, the bad choices aside. So let's get over this 'if GA was so comped'. It's a straw man argument, and really not necessary. It's not a valid pretext to then go and deny any criticism or feedback you are getting. Yes, some people saw, or thought, that GA was completely comped. But I certainly did not see evidence to that effect. Let's put this exaggeration aside.
Q knew reddit would get shut down at some point, don't you think? Or at least, would consider it a serious possibility. Q knows much more than you or I. Look at the stats. Q increasingly linked, even to random posts, prior to shut down.
http://magaimg.net/img/67xx.jpg
If you are able to step back, you'll see this point. Thinking that Q linked to GA was an endorsement or approval of EVERYTHING the GA mod team was doing is false, unsubstantiated logic. Unless you have clear evidence to the contrary?
False logic again. I am still profoundly grateful for GA, what it was for me, and for hundreds of thousands of others. The abberations aside, GA was incredibly unique internet experience. And, yes, you mods, one and all, poured out your sweat and effort to keep it alive, Under great strain, no doubt. That is not in dispute.
What IS in dispute (in my view) is the choices you (as a whole, not as individuals) made in HOW to deal with the issues that arose. Now, you're not perfect. (Are you?) But the best methodology for dealing with imperfect leadership or service is transparency. So if the narrative I've described above is not accurate, how about you explain it.
If you will recognize it, your reasoning in the face of these arguments speaks directly to the flaw in the reasoning that underlies the bad choices that were made. And, whether you like it or not, the FACT is, the choices you (the mod team, as a whole) made, and subsequent actions on VOAT, created much bitterness, pain, division and confusion.
Unless you are willing to own that, and accept that, then it cannot be resolved. Sweeping things under the carpet just doesn't work in the era of the Great Awakening.
So, let's go on the record then. Thank you. Thank you GA mod team. Thank you GA mod team, for the incredible effort and pains you invested to keep GA alive. We thank you, and recognize you. BUT, you must know that your effort and investment are not diminished by mistakes you made UNLESS you refuse to recognize or acknowledge them. Your effort or investment does not mean you are above criticism, sincere, or important feedback. Your position is not your value. OK?
Q is hoping for a clean start, a clean break. We have important work to do, and we must be united. Being a mod is the hardest thing, its a sacrificial position. But with that comes accountability, and unless you are able to receive and correct your course with feedback from the people - we the people - remember? - then you will in fact become comped. Corrupted. By character, not by clowns.
I look forward to evidence that you have benefited from the lessons of GA, instead of knee-jerk rejection and condemnation of those that sincerely would seek to also help and improve the subreddit , or subverse, and keep you on track.
What say you? wwg1wga
13973195? ago
So well said...eloquent!
13971008? ago
This would be a point I'd bow to if it were not for the fact that choices were not made as a whole, and through no fault of those involved. Moderation is a volunteer activity. People do what they can when they can. Mistakes are made. That is a reality and not the result of poor choices by a group of people, more usually it was the result of the only choice that seemed plausible to whoever was around at the time. When we were able to make choices as a group, better choices were made than when we weren't.
Don't talk 101 to me like I don't understand the basic concepts here. I never said we were above criticism, in fact we always said precisely the opposite. No one denied accountability or transparency but that's an easy narrative to fall back to instead of considering the reality of a small team working on a busy sub. All the mods signed up on r-GA were not active. Those who were could have spent their time fighting fires against our name that was being dragged through the mud by a disgruntled former mod who'd behaved egregiously and gotten upset when denied the power he thought he deserved over others, or focused on the mission, which was what we did. We got all sorts of blame for not addressing the issue beyond a single post at the start that didn't trash 'the other side' and simply said we had a disagreement and yet even that post was considered too much by many in the community. You're damned if you do or don't so we chose not to play into the games calling out our "corrupt behavior" and focus on just doing what we could on what mattered. Anyone who asked anything of us sincerely got a real answer and full transparency. Most people visiting reddit didn't care about mod drama and that was how it should be. Mods should be invisible and unknown in a movement like this - just staying out of the way and doing their job. When problems occur, they should be brought out, as they were but in our case were quickly quashed by community cries of 'keep this off the sub' 'focus on the point, not yourselves', etc.
Those who sincerely seek to help improve the sub would do well to either get all the facts first or just focus on what's important - the Q discussion, not the anons behind the scenes.
13971362? ago
Thank you for responding. And thank you for this response.
A question, if you will. Other alternative subreddits were banned (any mention auto-deleted), and efforts to discuss the issues openly and constructively were sometimes met with removal and deletion. Certain dissenters were simply banned from the sub. Are you saying these actions were done not as a matter of policy, but by lone mods acting on their own recognizances?
Er, I'll talk to you in whatever way I wish. No need to get so uppity.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I agree with much of what you say. If mistakes were made, they should be fully acknowledged. Agreed, many were not interested in the drama.
Personally, the mod team or mod individuals not addressing the issues is not a big point, in my view. It was intentional or unintentional suppression of discussion and input from teh community that was.
You've agreed that mistakes were made. That's helpful. And positive.
Mistakes were made not only by the mods, and some collective responsibility should be taken in the end.
I look forward to further clarification and resolution of these issues so that this verse can go full speed ahead.
wwg1wga
13975478? ago
I apologize - if only it were people like you whose criticism we had to put up with - it is far better received than the one-sided accusations that were common.
Mistakes were definitely made. Other subreddits were banned, not with the agreement of all but this was the case at times. We couldn't all always agree and sometimes those of us who acquiesced should have spoken up more but undoubtedly the same occurred with the same parties on opposite sides at times. All mods were not all on together at all times so in some cases a decision was made by a few that those who disagreed only saw after the fact. The sub kept moving at pace so second-guessing and correcting - if more than a simple retraction of a removal - often fell by the wayside usually from being relegated to the 'once we've sorted out the current work' box that generally never got addressed at all. Mistakes were made.
Intentional suppression of discussion should not be allowed in a perfect world which Reddit was not but now, thankfully, we have more open platforms - Voat and 8chan - and it is my hope that this will allow those of us in the community to speak more freely about things that should be spoken about. In the past, if our team suppressed discussion it was generally out of a lack of resource to deal with it - not a good reason or excuse but certainly it was not out of a desire to control what people thought unduly. I often wanted to speak up, for example, to answer many false accusations made - I welcome accusations, to be clear, and criticism and correction but I wanted to speak up when the criticism was unwarranted and would lead down an unhelpful track e.g. accusations of compromise and 'bad actors' in the mod team; there were certainly some of us with undesirable behaviors like myself (argumentative and pedantic) - however, the decision was made to focus on what we were doing rather than try to explain to what was often a hostile audience who wouldn't receive anything we said anyway. If I'd been allowed, due to the fact that my spare time was taken with simply managing the mod queue and mail, my reply would've been rushed and off the cuff like my first one here and probably made things worse, coming off defensive and immovable when in fact I welcome correction and often correct accordingly. My history on the sub showed many times I apologized and retracted my incorrect stance. As I said, those who came to us in this manner, like yourself, in private mail received an explanation for whatever they asked.
13998068? ago
For myself, I observed this and it saddened me. I regret that some very worthy people were caught up in the mayhem.
I am very grateful at this point for this last reply, and, were it of any use, I would want to expand on and promote this content. Part of the difficulty anons faced in the fracas was the inherent lack of transparency in the medium. By that I mean, firstly, GA mods were so busy, (all this emerged when Q went mainstream), secondly, subscribers did not have access to mod discussions, decision tree, or actions aside from checking removals in github mirrors, etc. Moreover, subscribers got information from a few different sides, but admittedly, the information was limited, perhaps, not through any egregious fault by any individual but certainly affected by human behavior within common parameters.
I would like to point out that this is HISTORY, and I do understand we have the mission, which is priority, but what has happened here (REDDIT GA, Voat) is ALSO history and will form part of the legacy we bequeath to those who come after us in future generations. So there is some value in getting the story right. Some of us are researchers, some organizers, and others are recorders.
Your comment above provides an important insight into the process many of us only observed from the outside. The frank recognition of mistakes is in fact all that is needed to bring many who suspected the worst back to active support and appreciation. Mistakes can and must be forgiven, but openness and acknowledgment / accountability (self-imposed or otherwise) are the doorway through to that place.
I like nothing more than a mod who admits to personal flaws - (argumentative and pedantic), and, all things being equal, these are very likely to be qualities that on the flip side make one good at modding and great and adminning, etc. There appeared to be some who did not take certain criticisms well, but from my outside observation, I strongly had the impression this was due to immaturity of character, not any actual bad faith.
This discussion goes a long way to dispelling many concerns I think others not listening in here may have shared. I posted on this, and have pursued this dialog for this very reason. Truth will out, and will, in the end, heal. To me it is apparent that our online presence, including subscribers and especially mods, were subject to both external and internal spiritual attack, centering on r/GA. After such an event, which culminated in the implosion of Q discourse on REDDIT (Banned), some re-calibration is necessary.
Thank you. These comments are illuminating. No pun intended. At this juncture, I can only express my personal gratitude for your willingness to engage on this so far and my respect for the public service you offer by participating as a mod in this verse, slings and arrows notwithstanding. Now, to the future...
Part of the concern I have about this new voat is the anonymity, but that's in your (Q's?) hands. (The anonymity here will mean this venue does not replace GA, so if it continues, it will be clear that this is a completely new iteration of the social media Q presence.) Can I assume that it is the same individual I am conversing with here? Are you BB, 8, or P? I would welcome the opportunity to pm you. Fiwi, I am the OP, and as you have surmised, an observer, not a participant, in the 'fracas'.
If you have some concern about not revealing your voat identity, that will be an impasse, as how to pm an anon? I personally am hesitant to doxx my identity to all in this anonymous forum. Hmmmm....
For the record, thank you for taking the time to respond.
13969374? ago
If that is so, it's because the GA mod team did NOT allow any discussion to take place on the board. I agree, I've made some assumptions about the reasoning and motivations, BUT the facts are there. If the facts are there, and you deny opportunity to engage, discuss, make the situation transparent, then really, it's your fault.
And, the post was not made without knowledge. That's just a ridiculous claim. Many people know that they were banned from GA, many people saw their mention of concerns about how GA was being managed, etc, be deleted, and some people, like myself, saw directly comments from Howionic and others about how discussion of the issues 'put her in a bad light'.
If people like myself don't have the FULL story, then ask yourself why? instead of simply - AGAIN - blaming any dissent or criticism as clown shill tactics. It's really OLD.
Certain undeniable facts are what happened and what GA mods actually did. And, of those who expressed concerns about the whole issue, seriously, I was very much on the side of we must give benefit of the doubt to the GA mods, and work to make things better, and clarify. But because discussion was shut down, and certain subreddits banned, etc., the rest is history.
I think a fatal flaw in the reasoning of the GA mods was this (as you express here): Q kept linking to GA therefore this is confirmation that we are right. That's actually where this entire post started from. But there are alternative possibilities. Personally, I think that Q linked to GA so much because Q knew it would get shut down at some point, and wanted as many people connected before it was shut down and also more and more people to know it WHEN it got shut down. Q was NOT saying 'the GA mods are the best team in the world, and they are perfect, and so, never criticize or question them'. But it seems that the mod team interpreted it this way.
Now, that's conjecture. And I'm all open, as many, many patriots are, to you coming more transparent and actually being open. But stop acting like rulers, and realize you are servants. Do you serve the patriots here? Or yourselves?
So, in summation, I think the mod team at GA was at least 70%, probably 85%+ sincere, patriotic, and invested great effort. I think their efforts were undermined by personal issues that had a knock on effect : banning sincere patriots, banning sincere and critical (important) discussion about the issues, blocking out ANY mention of any subs that questioned the Teams narrative. These are simple facts.
If you can shed light as to why these things were done, your personal reasoning, the reasoning of the mod team AND then leave that open to input, it would work much better, in my view. Now's your opportunity.
GA was a brilliant place, and I was a dedicated contributor and participant until the issues emerged. Even then, as I said, I advocated on behalf of GA team, and encouraged dialog and cooperation, but then GA team began taking the aforementioned (in my view) aberrant actions.
There is no doubt that 90% of the content on GA was good, and that up until the final day, patriots from all over gained benefit and had very good experiences. For that reason, I expanded my activities, and did not drop GA like some I know.
BUT if you were in the dissenting group, or were banned, or associated with dissenters, it was a whole other experience. So, will you actually listen to this? Or just proclaim, again, that anything disagreeing or challenging your own experience and view is shills, clowns or other? The ball is in your park.
My personal (hopeful) view, you just made some bad choices based on poor judgment. Pretty much, there was a LOT of good, great good, and I definitely do not dispute that. But will you take on board the feedback, or not? So far, in the way you respond here, it seems much of the same.
Try cooperation, instead of attack, or defense.
13975455? ago
No one denies reality here. Yes, Q linking to GA does not mean GA was impeccable and above reproach in any way. It simply suggests that perhaps the sub was doing its job of allowing people to discuss relevant information about Q drops. That is all the role of moderation of a Q sub should be about.
But no, choosing not to focus on drama generated initially mostly by someone with an agenda who was denied power that they felt was their right is not about denying transparency. Those who approached sincerely and asked were given fully transparent answers. We made one single post about the drama and even then were met with many comments and complaints along the lines of 'get this off the sub', 'focus on the mission not yourselves' and we certainly felt the same way but had simply responded to the other cries of 'how come you aren't addressing this!' with as benign and non-accusatory a post as HowiONic could write. But we certainly agreed with the latter party: Anons doing janitorial work in the background should never be the point of a sub dedicated to Q discussion. That's also why it was in the rules. Not to hide, as some assumed, but to keep the focus where it should be. As also stated in the rules we were always up for being questioned directly through modmail and we answered sincere requests with full transparency.
Don't misread me - I support any criticism of the team, I just prefer it be accurate. We made mistakes due to being underresourced and working off the cuff not due to selfish motivation or a lack of integrity.
13999152? ago
Thank you.
(Query: are you the individual responding in other comments in this comment thread, or someone else? Hard to build dialog with anonymity.... )
I appreciate that your evaluation of the reasons why mistakes were made is sincere, but would also like to point out that stereo vision helps gain perspective. My evaluation, based on facts and data I was /am exposed to, is slightly different.
Selfish motivations almost ALWAYS play a role in bad or poor choices. They affect us usually unbeknownst to ourselves. Some selfish motivations are innocent - they exist because of immaturity or lack of knowledge, etc - common human foibles - and not because of evil or malicious intent. I find the idea that malicious intent was NOT A PART of the motivation behind mistakes extremely plausible and supported by the data available (to me), but I would not go so far as to say selfish motives (or another way of phrasing it might be personality and character flaws) played no role.
Likewise, integrity is often only skin deep, integrity to the mission being different from integrity as a human or character, a deficiency in which we are ALL subject to some extent. Evidence I was/am exposed to likewise supports the evaluation that integrity to mission was upheld, although human foibles seemed to play a role in some poor choices or decisions.
When mere human fallibility is at work but malicious or evil motives ar ascribed, it's problematic, and almost always muddies the water. Unfortunately, that same human fallibility often leads people to REACT against such accusations, thus multiplying the problems. I think that happened here, although I admit to limited information.
Thanks for explaining about the issue of keeping meta-discussion (i.e. about the sub, how the mods were running it, what issues arose) off the forum. My own view, from the admitted comfort of NOT having to mod, is that in fact, such discussion IS critical and necessary to the mission, and therefore should NOT have been kept of the forum, OR another side subreddit should have been created and used as a venue to have open discussion about the issues by mods AND subscribers.
(Consider the model of the DOJ. They have an IG for just this reason. Discussion and monitoring of the entire mission department is a necessary aspect of maintaining accountability, and keeping out corruption.) NOTE*
I fully accept that the mod team had their hands full, and were very likely quite unprepared for the mission that emerged once the sub got past 30K (official). Volunteers, after all, and not professionally trained or engaged. For this reason, ALL mods who invested are to be commended, and appreciated, and if mistakes were made, things should be seen for what they are: brave purple hearts who jumped into a foxhole to keep the bridge open until reinforcements could arrive or until the war moved on.
In hindsight, I think this point about NOT having the discussion take place about the drama was probably the turning point that made things very difficult or problematic, but I accept that the reasons for that decision were reasoned and sincere.
However, because you are/were dealing with a mission and a responsibility larger than any of us here, the fact of the sincere courage and public sense in which mods 'stepped up' cannot and must not be seen or used as a reason to NOT investigate, analyse and evaluate the choices and the decisions. After all, the reason for doing this should and must be a) to improve future operations b) provide lessons for those who come after, so that mistakes need not be repeated unnecessarily, and c) provide opportunity for personal growth and development of the players involved (mods, etc).
The first two reasons pertain directly to the larger mission at hand, and should be taken up based on collective wisdom or choice by those still in a public (mission) role and a cost/benefit evaluation. The third reason is also important, but the decision to take it up or not obviously rests with each individual.
Thanks again for responding.
wwg1wga
NOTE* (- secondary meta sub: That is what T_GA etc became, but admittedly the operators were hostile and/or reactive', so it was unable or unsuitable for being a forum for mutual, open discussion involving the subscriber patriot base.)
13969512? ago
It wasn't the mod from reddit...it was Reddit itself that censored. Reddit the platform, not the reddit mods.
13970942? ago
Talking about what preceded the reddit shutdown. Essentially, the mods at GA shut down people, banned others, and banned any mention of the criticisms, etc., that came out about their actions. That's what this is talking about. Not about reddit stepping in and shutting down all Q subs.
13971420? ago
I get ya now. But this verse is the mods from 8chan, so I'm sure everything will be alright
13967872? ago
you tasting some rotten eggs?
13968220? ago
No but perhaps OP is.
13968726? ago
I was there and I know the truth, famefag. Enjoy your eggs.
13969083? ago
You weren't there. You left in a rage and you lied about why. Enjoy your toast!
13967259? ago
New board, new mods, new mood. Moving on.
13966855? ago
The Reddit mods created /v/theawakening. They appear to be compromised. Which includes Neon Revolt, who apparently was also one of the mods. In order to control the migration they screwed up real bad then they threw mud at the pre-existing /v/GreatAwakening sub - declaring them compromised for the thinnest of illogical excuse. Which in turn caused the newbs to doubt that sub. The result was an angry division of people. When the Reddit mods/NR learned that they would not be able to hold totalitarian control over their herded flock they then encouraged everyone to retreat to 8chan before they lost total control.
The result is that both /v/theawakening and /v/GreatAwakening was left injured in the minds of many on both sides of the camp. Most do not believe it was accidental. Additionally the mods from /v/theawakening kept fanning the flames and continuing to screw over the people there and lie about it. Which in turn created transparency reports of what was going on which the other side took as more fanning. The damage was done - to both. Repair seemed unlikely because of bad actors.
Q's fix is to use a trusted third party to come in a create a new sub. This sub. /v/QRV. This way everyone can heal and come together and it removes the corrupt Reddit mods + Neon Revolt from the control over the users and restores faith in the community here. Win-win.
Now everyone can find a home in a more comfortable, Reddit-like setting. Very large numbers of people were not comfortable at the chans. So this is a good home for the majority of people.
14000689? ago
/v/FactCheckQanons
13975471? ago
I guess I’ll add this sub #3 ...I still enjoy the content of both. I did witness the downvoting and fiasco you referenced.
13968302? ago
Really enjoyed NeonRevolt until he started talking about Nazi in unexpected ways... also the reason why I did not sign up for his recommendation. Got off the Neon train pretty quick after that.
14321716? ago
Gotta link? I'd be interested in reading that.
13968185? ago
I don’t need a home. I just need more sources of infomation. Qs movement is about you getting your information from the tap, not waiting for it to be bottled up and handed to you. Only then can you reclaim your country. And I say this as a conspiracy nut following corruption way before Q ever posted.
I’m glad there’s now a lot more people paying attention to politics, but don’t allow yourself to revert to old habits.
13999633? ago
Well said. Its about researching and figuring out things for yourself, not being led by famefags.
13968261? ago
Like it or not, usability and comfort levels directly effect engagement.
13968399? ago
For some of us it just needs to be what it claims to be, a QResearchVerse
13967631? ago
Thanks for explaining. Much appreciated.
13966791? ago
Ffs. Whatever happened behind the scenes on reddit and before this sub is in the past. 8chan and this new sub is all that matters.
Noticed how Q asked the bo on 8chan to make this sub? To cut out the bullshit from the mods on reddit and The first v/ga. Q knew that garbage was going on, so he asked his proven trustworthy censorship free guys over at 8 chan to build this, drama free.
This sub and 8chan are the offical Q central hubs.
13970704? ago
I get that. Just surprised seeing the names of the mods who have set up here. All former GA mods, unless I'm mistaken. Am I?
13976683? ago
You are really trying hard to point fingers, and in chan terms, you are fucking glowing brightly. I really suggest you stop while you are ahead, faggot glowshill.
13966353? ago
I really hope the Reddit mods aren't in here.
Oh, look.. people are making threads begging for/suggesting donations immediately...
14040116? ago
Your comment is literal disinformation and is the furthest thing from logic I've ever read.
14101861? ago
LOL, I'm not the one who compiled the proof. Look around. It was well known and showed up just after /r/GA was nuked as part of thebanout2018.
13972990? ago
You should clarify between r/GA and v/GA. Two entirely different things. v/GA are the ones who outed Neon Revolt: https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/2733999
13966879? ago
Agreed. I dont think they are or should be moding. I trust that Q saw that and asked someone who has proven to be comp free, a board operator on 8chan. Anyway, its not our problem anymore.
13967774? ago
Yeah, trolls should be ignored or drowned, perhaps redpilled
13966157? ago
BO, is from 8 chan . Relax . Dude is a pro
13979036? ago
Thanks for the morning laugh. Everyone relax, a chanfag is in charge now...
Now if only they can figure out how to implement a proper SHA in their shitty infinity fork.
13979715? ago
They're saying BO inserted old reddit mods to mod this place? True or no?
14000707? ago
this is very common
voat itself may be compromised. the dudes who started voat are kinda sketchy sometimes
14321731? ago
Please provide evidence of this claim.
13970923? ago
what's under the BO I think is where the concern is
13971231? ago
If the BO created the verse on Q's request and THEN installed old GA mods as the mods here, it shows a severe lack of judgment. Possibly the BO is simply unaware of all the crap that the GA mod team unwisely precipitated.
NEW Team, please Q.
13979663? ago
I wasn't aware BO was inserting the old mods. Is that confirmed somewhere?
13996819? ago
The mod names are at the side. These are names some will recognize. That's a cause for concern. But Q has spoken, and Despite history and lack of information, I'll support the new voat and the team here. If there is an issue, Q will straighten it out, I am sure.
13970906? ago
So am I still a mossad? Or can I reclaim my god-given Religion?
14002762? ago
All of this - the OP and the comments have totally ignored the extremely toxic and hostile old Voat users that came in and shilled their BS. It was a huge part of what went down - by no means was this all about just the v/theawakening mods - as though the Voat dudes are some kind of fucking Nazi saints sitting there in halos bearing SS skull insignia.
A huge part of the tussle that went on was purely on the culture clash level - running into a toxic Internet gheto sub culture on Voat
14321804? ago
Q himself has posted some very disturbing things about WWII, disinfo and the Nazi's being mere pawns in the wider Mockingbird/Project Paperclip NWO war against decent folk. You really need to ask yourself why -- since Q "has everything" -- he sent his non-Chan followers here, where he knew they would be cluster-bombed with critical questions about mainstream history regarding WWII.
13966139? ago
there already was a sub for qfags here /v/greatawakening
you are the ones dumb enough to fall for the fake knockoff
14000817? ago
Bleep bloop, someone mentioned this comment!
'there already was a sub for qfags here /v/greatawakening you are the ones dumb enough to fall for the fake knockoff' was posted in v/FactCheckQanons by @2737819 and refers to this comment.
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13967481? ago
that sub has a nazi implant
13967593? ago
Welcome to freedom of speech
13967086? ago
How is it fake if this is the subverse Q promoted? Shillfag.
13967215? ago
The other one has been here for months and doesn't censor. This one appeared an hour ago and you're already demanding mods
13967343? ago
Do you even read, bruh? OP is saying he doesn't want the same mods at all.
I certainly don't GAF which mods we have a long as this place is censorship free.
All I know is Q said this is the official Q endorsed sub, so here I am scoping it out.
13967538? ago
About half the people who came with you started asked for censorship the first time someone pointed them to /v/niggers
Those clever shills were clearly pretending to be racist years before Q existed just to discredit this howling pack of retards
13967796? ago
The ones asking for censorship must be scared boomer fags from plebbit. Hopefully they go away.
13967852? ago
I don't think anyone over 30 calls things "toxic"
https://voat.co/v/QRV/2735238/13967569
13968026? ago
You know how I know you're a boomer fag?
13966085? ago
Drain the mod swamp? (Half humor half serious question)
13965907? ago
Thank you.
13965896? ago
tl;dr? I appreciate the time, but damn that seems excessive.
13999203? ago
Indeed, excessive. But we live in extreme times, do we not?
13965861? ago
We are too strong now.
Q knows how to reach the people, and we are listening.
If one board fails we will pop up on another.
WWG1WGA
13965805? ago
Yeah - using a mod from the compromised (((REDDIT))) subverse is just absurd. Nip that shit in the bud, IMO.
13967678? ago
Why is reddit in parenthesis?
13968041? ago
Because they’re one of (((them)))
13967843? ago
That's called 'echo' and is used by Jews on places like Twitter to differentiate themselves from the goyim (cattle... whites).
Are you familiar with the fact that Jews planned and forced this kind of censorship upon white countries at least since WW2? I'm betting Jews had a LOT to do with the censorship we see on the net right now, since they own the banks and the media outlets that remove funding from those with wrongthink and also deplatform wrongthinkers.
13968137? ago
What do you use for Muslims who differentiate themselves from dhimmi?
Are you familiar with the fact that your shill tactics are out of date?
13968155? ago
Poisoned pork disguised as something halal.
Are you familiar with the fact that I can back up every claim I made?
13968298? ago
Waiting
13968325? ago
Which claim do you have an issue with?
13968562? ago
You downgraded your facts to claims and provided zero backup for any of your claims.
13968588? ago
They're both facts and claims. I made the claim. That's what I can support with evidence.
I'm not downgrading anything, that's you misunderstanding what the words mean.
13965748? ago
MOD Logs are on the bottom right of the sub's pages.
let them see it for themselves.
13965989? ago
Unfortunately, there were no open mod logs at r/GreatAwakening, and the mod team did everything they could to ensure the entire subreddit population (officially 50K+ when the crap really started, probably closer to 200K in reality) saw nothing and were kept in the dark.
13966154? ago
yep! i didn't register the little r/ and just automatically see v/ in my head. makes way more sense now!!!!
13965738? ago
They paid me.