I prefer not engaging u/theoldones on this because he has a limited view on the matter. He conveniently ignores the fact that u/srayzie doxxed herself and then omitted that due to convenience to accuse u/trigglypuff of doxxing her. Which got u/trigglypuff unjustly banned.
When I showed proof that it was a unjust ban then in that regard the ban was reversed and she then decided to "leave" the site because of the reversal of the ban.
When u/theoldones thinks he is in the right side of the argument he will basically go ahead and ignore facts to conveniently fit his narrative. For example he will defend and justify the doxx on u/GothamGirl with the argument "they did it first" instead of taking an objective position and state both behaviors are disgusting.
He even witnessed doxxing done by the party that he joined and never said anything about it. Why? Because again, he needs the argument to be on his side. This is why I prefer to ignore his denunciations in many cases. For example: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3311363/19528911/10#19528911 you will see on his reply to that comment he states "I don't care what you saw nigger"
If you check his history you will see that he had run a "test bot" - (according to him) to detect bots on Voat that were harassing him and brigading him. So he pinged constantly multiple users asking them "not to downvote if you are not a bot", forgetting completely that the users annoyed by his questionable campaigned will automatically downvote anything he pinged them on. So he considered that a positive on his test.
He attacked another user, u/Obrez, regarding that and after him and I interacted I started to see an objective and reasonable character reacting to u/theoldones harassment. Reason why I made a post on PV about that: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043374
When u/MadWorld made a post with verifiable evidence that suspicious links were being shared on Voat and u/theoldones name showed up he completely freaked out and started harassing u/MadWorld, even after my interactions with him I showed him that he did posted suspicious links but did it without knowing so that he didn't have intent in doing so. But that was quite an episode.
u/theoldones has applied power moderation also and complained of it being applied to him. u/thebuddah can attest for that if you ask him because u/theoldones started making posts about u/thebuddah questioning his hypocrisy.
The only campaign I support of his, is his constant hunt for pedophiles and honestly I think he should stick with that instead of playing a moral high ground person of reference because he ignored the defense that v/ProtectVoat gave to u/srayzie (after all he came late to the issue) and then united with u/Crensch on his campaign to attack v/ProtectVoat because we didn't supported his power moderation and then his alleged coordinated attempts with the users recently that got banned from which one of them u/hollacost was an alt of u/shizy (u/shizie).
At this moment the only party that has defended users from being doxxed has been v/ProtectVoat. Which is one of the reasons why I stick with it and returned to being a mod/owner of it.
I agree that personal information should not be posted by third parties without the authorization of the owner. However she engaged in behaving in the same way u/zyklon_b did with her and I have a much bigger problem with her on that because she lower herself to his level.
So the difference between you and I, is that I do not justify a wrong with another wrong. I take them in the same way. Both behaviors were despicable from both parties involved there and the only party that defended users from doxxing attemps was v/ProtectVoat.
Your "righteous" indignation will not control the discussion and you know perfectly well that you won't win a debate against me if you tried specially on this subject. Why? Because your vision is limited.
zyklon_b and gothamgirl started up a doxxing campaign in front of me and tried to get away with it. there's past backstory before that point? i don't give a fuck.
I believe u/GothamGirl can attest that I have criticised her for supporting u/zyklon_b and that I don't like her. However that doesn't affect me defending a user when the user is being doxxed. So you can keep turning things the way you like to. If you want I can dig up the comment I made about me not liking her and about the fact of me stating that despite that I would defend her against the doxx he was suffering from the other parties just as I did with u/srayzie.
I don't apply convenience in my actions. Don't compare me to you.
I didn't say she didn't defend u/zyklon_b. I criticised her for that and she knows it.
But you are ignoring the fact that the party you are so called "defending" engaged on the same behavior.
So again, I am not interested in engaging you on your position about this subject because your view is so limited. You are not relevant to the discussion.
This will be my last reply to you on this subject.
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sguevar ago
I prefer not engaging u/theoldones on this because he has a limited view on the matter. He conveniently ignores the fact that u/srayzie doxxed herself and then omitted that due to convenience to accuse u/trigglypuff of doxxing her. Which got u/trigglypuff unjustly banned.
When I showed proof that it was a unjust ban then in that regard the ban was reversed and she then decided to "leave" the site because of the reversal of the ban.
When u/theoldones thinks he is in the right side of the argument he will basically go ahead and ignore facts to conveniently fit his narrative. For example he will defend and justify the doxx on u/GothamGirl with the argument "they did it first" instead of taking an objective position and state both behaviors are disgusting.
He even witnessed doxxing done by the party that he joined and never said anything about it. Why? Because again, he needs the argument to be on his side. This is why I prefer to ignore his denunciations in many cases. For example: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3311363/19528911/10#19528911 you will see on his reply to that comment he states "I don't care what you saw nigger"
If you check his history you will see that he had run a "test bot" - (according to him) to detect bots on Voat that were harassing him and brigading him. So he pinged constantly multiple users asking them "not to downvote if you are not a bot", forgetting completely that the users annoyed by his questionable campaigned will automatically downvote anything he pinged them on. So he considered that a positive on his test.
He attacked another user, u/Obrez, regarding that and after him and I interacted I started to see an objective and reasonable character reacting to u/theoldones harassment. Reason why I made a post on PV about that: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043374
When u/MadWorld made a post with verifiable evidence that suspicious links were being shared on Voat and u/theoldones name showed up he completely freaked out and started harassing u/MadWorld, even after my interactions with him I showed him that he did posted suspicious links but did it without knowing so that he didn't have intent in doing so. But that was quite an episode.
u/theoldones has applied power moderation also and complained of it being applied to him. u/thebuddah can attest for that if you ask him because u/theoldones started making posts about u/thebuddah questioning his hypocrisy.
The only campaign I support of his, is his constant hunt for pedophiles and honestly I think he should stick with that instead of playing a moral high ground person of reference because he ignored the defense that v/ProtectVoat gave to u/srayzie (after all he came late to the issue) and then united with u/Crensch on his campaign to attack v/ProtectVoat because we didn't supported his power moderation and then his alleged coordinated attempts with the users recently that got banned from which one of them u/hollacost was an alt of u/shizy (u/shizie).
At this moment the only party that has defended users from being doxxed has been v/ProtectVoat. Which is one of the reasons why I stick with it and returned to being a mod/owner of it.
theoldones ago
she didnt post that shit so you could all ruin her life with it.
you all used information for evil intent.
sguevar ago
I didn't ruin anyone's life.
I agree that personal information should not be posted by third parties without the authorization of the owner. However she engaged in behaving in the same way u/zyklon_b did with her and I have a much bigger problem with her on that because she lower herself to his level.
So the difference between you and I, is that I do not justify a wrong with another wrong. I take them in the same way. Both behaviors were despicable from both parties involved there and the only party that defended users from doxxing attemps was v/ProtectVoat.
Your "righteous" indignation will not control the discussion and you know perfectly well that you won't win a debate against me if you tried specially on this subject. Why? Because your vision is limited.
theoldones ago
zyklon_b and gothamgirl started up a doxxing campaign in front of me and tried to get away with it.
there's past backstory before that point, i don't give a fuck.
sguevar ago
I believe u/GothamGirl can attest that I have criticised her for supporting u/zyklon_b and that I don't like her. However that doesn't affect me defending a user when the user is being doxxed. So you can keep turning things the way you like to. If you want I can dig up the comment I made about me not liking her and about the fact of me stating that despite that I would defend her against the doxx he was suffering from the other parties just as I did with u/srayzie.
I don't apply convenience in my actions. Don't compare me to you.
theoldones ago
gothamgirl is guilty and i will treat her as such.
sguevar ago
I didn't say she didn't defend u/zyklon_b. I criticised her for that and she knows it.
But you are ignoring the fact that the party you are so called "defending" engaged on the same behavior.
So again, I am not interested in engaging you on your position about this subject because your view is so limited. You are not relevant to the discussion.
This will be my last reply to you on this subject.
Have a good day.