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WickerMan ago

Beatlejuice is gone. Srayzie admittedly, still has accounts here. You think Putt would know this.

sguevar ago

At this moment all I can say is that I have pushed for dialogue to get all this shit show resolved and I am at least glad to see a glimpse of hope with this action.

CheeseboogerHimself ago

Maybe making GA a system sub would solve it all? I think it would. I was against it at first but now it totally makes sense! Besides, QRV is the ONLY official Q sub here.

sguevar ago

I have been thinking about that proposal and I am not so sure it would.

Making v/GreatAwakening a system sub may solve the inaction of it's user base to act and apply downvotes where it's due. Meaning that it's user base would be forced to be more proactive and to inform itself on how to deal with shills and trolls effectively. But the sub would still need to have a janitor/moderator that would need to curate the content. And given the size of that sub it would need several to do what the moderator team is supposed to do.

From all this experience this is my opinion on the following that might solve the voids and insatisfactions created by the current state of affairs:

  • u/Crensch should not be the owner of the sub. He should step down and give that title to u/srayz
  • u/srayz was a good moderator/owner and content curator. Despite her lack of judgement on her support for the group that was attacking her detractors that doesn't change the fact she was a good one. Even if many don't like her for her constant denunciations and emotional responses, her work cannot be undone. The v/GreatAwakening user base is grateful with her and quite appreciative.
  • Some of the current set of rules should be modified to make clear, objective and effective rules. This includes creating an specific one for doxxing that goes along with the site's one but that it is more specific. i.e. If the owner of the information gives/removes permission of sharing it or if the owner of the information made the link him/herself, then those should be considered acceptable exceptions.
  • Guilty by association rules should be removed.
  • Unjustifiable bans should be reversed as @Puttitout has made precedent that it is possible. Mine for example was unjustified and several others should be removed.
  • Comments should only be deleted if they are illegal or go against the site's global rules (which includes doxxing of Voat's user base)
  • Despite of the fact that I find it to be a questionable character, u/Molochhunter has proved to be somewhat fair in his moderation. My questions regard on his defense for an unjust ban on u/trigglyppuff. But his activity as a moderator is consistent so he should also stay in the moderator team in v/GreatAwakening.
  • u/shizie should also stay despite of the fact that she fell under the same bus that the previous users did. Her commitment with v/GreatAwakening is not in question to my eyes. Though she called me a cuck with her alt u/hollacost, I hold no grudge against her. She sould also stay in the moderator team.

- It is clear that one of the tasks of being a moderator, specially in the case of the v/GreatAwakening sub, is to continuously inform and educate their user base so the subscribers of their sub become more proactive and do not rely only on the moderators to act (downvote disingenuous users' posts and comments, upvote genuine users' posts and comments, block users that are annoying to their eyes, report suspicious behaviors - not through posts on their sub but archiving and then making an informative post on v/ProtectVoat about said users that they can link in their comments to others to inform them). After all I recognize the risk that carries being a moderator of such a polemic subverse. And the safety of the moderators can only be better insured if their user base helps them protect them.

In the end if our admin decides to make the sub a system sub, then they should remain janitors of the sub. But that decision also resides on the v/GreatAwakening user base. The admin team should consider their say on the matter.

But that is my opinion and I am sure many will disagree.

theoldones ago

srayzie got doxxed. sub handover is impossible, because zyklon and his gay troll gang threatened her and her kids. you can't just drive off the owner and founder of a sub, then ask for their shit afterwards like war plunder

sguevar ago

i trust crensch.

After all that has happened, I don't.

theoldones ago

crensh showed principle to act when others fucking folded.

anyone picking up the pieces here as damage control has zero fucking right to moral grandstand

sguevar ago

crensh showed principle to act when others fucking folded.

No he didn't. He applied power moderation tactics. Unjustly banned several people. Supported doxxing attempts on other users basically selling out his principles for convenience to win his "war".

anyone picking up the pieces here as damage control has zero fucking right to moral grandstand

You were one of the supporters on the doxx done by the group supporting u/Crensch. You have been called out before for your lack of objectivity. You have also applied unjust bans on your subs including preventive bans for unjustified reasons on which I showed your wrong doing.

You want to defend u/Crensch? You are in your right to do so but he certainly hasn't shown principle at all. Using the doctrine of "the end justifies the means" is not proof of principles and morals. It is the proof of a desperation move because of lack of objectivity and fairness.

He corrupted his ways and any that supported his doxx team fell under the same convenience.

theoldones ago

You were one of the supporters on the doxx done by the group supporting u/Crensch. You have been called out before for your lack of objectivity. You have also applied unjust bans on your subs including preventive bans for unjustified reasons on which I showed your wrong doing.

what the fuck even are you talking about. you're accusing me of helping a doxx i dont even know exists

sguevar ago

what the fuck even are you talking about. you're accusing me of helping a doxx i dont even know exists

I didn't see you defending GothamGirl when the users posted on here that got banned for doxxing, did it to her. You seemed very comfortable to justify their actions with "they did it first".

The fact that you justified their actions showed your support to them and these users were supporters of u/Crensch and supported by u/Crensch.

I didn't say you were helping on a doxx I said you supported these users when they acted against the people you disliked.

So again, I do not trust u/Crensch after he sold out his beliefs for convenience in order to wage his "war". And I am quite disappointed on the path he chose, whether he cares for that or not is besides the point. He hurt Voat's integrity and he is so prideful that he can't see it.

theoldones ago

I didn't see you defending GothamGirl when the users posted on here that got banned for doxxing, did it to her. You seemed very comfortable to justify their actions with "they did it first".

srayzie getting harrased was the first id ever seenof this fucking drama.

i dont care what happened in the past, i care about what happens in front of me

you're currently accusing me of having the audacity to not own a time machine.

sguevar ago

srayzie getting harrased was the first id ever seenof this fucking drama. i dont care what happened in the past, i care about what happens in front of me you're currently accusing me of having the audacity to not own a time machine.

Is that so, so you never saw the post that u/Crensch did to try to character assassinate me because of my flairing the post done by u/ScrubbinOutOldBlue as possible missinfo and that doxxed u/GothamGirl's personal address? - Post in question: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3274898

From that post then you entered the v/ProtectGoats making posts against u/kevdude for saying that if you don't like us flairing the post then you can leave v/ProtectVoat (paraphrasing).

You enrolled in that subverse because you supported u/Crensch's "war" and never saw you say anything agains the doxx done by his supporters. No you conveniently justified it with u/srayzie being harassed first - as if any of us at v/ProtectVoat were happy it had happened, when in fact we were right there defending her.

Please don't put an act on this shit. Now, you want to defend u/Crensch? Do so. Everyone deserves to be defended, but I personally no longer trust his intentions after seeing his actions.

theoldones ago

Is that so, so you never saw...

nigger, i don't give one shit what you saw.

sguevar ago

Fine, then stop putting the act with me.

Have a good one.

theoldones ago

please smoke less fucking meth you goddamn insane person.

sguevar ago

I am quite clean, thanks for your concerns.

Have a good one.